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2012 Subaru Impreza

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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Very well said; I'm once again a VW customer (after a sixteen year hiatus)...
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    So you and shipo both have jobs waiting for you at Subaru Marketing. ;)

    I wonder if the 30% Impreza stick shift number includes WRXs?

    If Subaru is going to put more sticks in more cars, they should do it right: put in 6 speeds that get at least as good fuel economy as their CVTs, and keep engine revs (and noise) down at cruise like CVTs do. Otherwise Subaru will be forced to put more CVTs into the mix just to meet the Federal fleet FE regs.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "If Subaru is going to put more sticks in more cars, they should do it right: put in 6 speeds that get at least as good fuel economy as their CVTs, and keep engine revs (and noise) down at cruise like CVTs do. Otherwise Subaru will be forced to put more CVTs into the mix just to meet the Federal fleet FE regs."

    Also very well said; a 6-Speed Impreza would make a wonderful compliment to the CVT model.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    2012 6-speed manual Imprezas will be available—if you live in Australia, Europe, and other places far away from the USA. Only North America gets stuck with the 5-speed manual models. :(

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Subaru is one step down from Kia in that regard, by the way. Even the Rio comes with 6 ratios. :sick:
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,461
    edited November 2011
    I think we already covered that topic in detail before... more ratios doesn't necessarily mean better FE or lower revs at highway speeds. Sometimes, it just means more ratios.

    Considering how conservative Subaru is at introducing new technology, I was surprised that the 2012 Impreza received both a new engine and a new CVT in the same model year. So, thinking we would get new engines and two new transmissions simultaneously is simply a pipe dream. Such a manual transmission next model year is a possibility, though.

    Heck, they didn't even manage to put the CVT into the Forester in the 2012 model year, which I expected after the new engine intro in 2011. I'm sure it will be there for the new 2013 model.

    Personally, I don't care if the Impreza ever gets six speeds unless the transmission offers better utility with smoother shifting. I don't ascribe to the "more is better" school of thought. The five speed is perfectly adequate for the job it performs and it is dead reliable. If they want to improve on that through a six-speed, great. If not, give me a better five-speed and I'm just as happy.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    edited November 2011
    So, thinking we would get new engines and two new transmissions simultaneously is simply a pipe dream.

    Well... Hyundai/Kia rolled out four new engines and three new 6-speed transmissions within one year. For example, the 2011 Elantra got not only an new engine but two new 6-speed trannies. Same with the low-bucks Accent (and Kia Rio). I know Subaru has fewer resources, but I don't think it's too much to ask to give us the 6MT that they already sell in other countries, along with the CVT.

    A 6th cog could provide a super-overdrive that might get FE of the manual close to that of the CVT, and also reduce RPMs and engine noise on the highway.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,461
    That's true but, like I said in the previous message, Subaru tends to be quite conservative when it comes to rolling out new technology.

    Given the engine's ratings, etc., I don't know that a taller gear would serve much purpose other than exercising the left leg a little more. Perhaps the midwest/plains areas would get good utility out of it.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    Once you're in top gear on the freeway, the left leg doesn't move much. Those who don't go on the freeway don't have to use the 6th gear.

    Is there a lot of "new technology" in a 6-speed manual tranny?

    This car wasn't very conservative:

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  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,411
    It's always work, but when you do dig down into the numbers and look at what happens when a 6speed replaces a 5speed manual....

    ... usually, top gear stays the same and sometimes it even gets shorter. I believe the 2001+ Miatas are a case in point. As is the RX-8, but that's a whole different ballgame.

    The car makers don't trust us to drive the car properly and stay out of 6th unless we know we'll just be "cruising" for a while.

    I don't drive much, but I from what I do see out there, I'd say the car makers have a point. "Driving as a skill" does not seem to interest a lot of people.

    Still, a nice & sporty 5speed PLUS a really tall 6th for fuel efficiency -- you know, for driving I-70 in Kansas on a calm day -- would be a really good idea.

    One would have to know how to use it, though.

    Cheers -Mathias
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    edited November 2011
    Hate to say it, but it's only a matter of time before manual trannys are relegated to either bottom-feeder models and/or performance models. Hardly anyone in North America, other than those just mentioned, buys a manual anymore. The future is in 6-/6+-speed automatics, CVTs and DSGs. Frankly I'm surprised Subaru has continued to offer a manual choice on mid-level (Premium) trim models.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Combine what Bob said, with this comment from wes:

    Subaru tends to be quite conservative when it comes to rolling out new technology

    And you have a company which peaked last year and will not grow again until that changes. Plain and simple.

    I have a Miata and yes, the 6th ratio is so close to 5th, it's pointless. I usually skip 5th.

    But...Subaru's 5 speed doesn't match the CVT for fuel economy, and it should match it, or even beat it. Especially real-world.

    Remember, they made the gas tank smaller. A tall cruising gear would help range per tank. C&D only got 24mpg out of their Impreza tester.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    24 mpg is actually very good, for C/D. They averaged in the 20-21 mpg range tops for the batch of compacts they tested earlier this year, including Cruze, Focus, and Elantra... all with mpg ratings close to or above the Impreza's.
  • paopao Posts: 1,867
    I know there are the purest out there who will always perfer the stick to an auto transmission, however there are those of us who use the car in commuter traffic ever day. I have put two 5spds throught DC metro region traffic....and will always opt to an auto when the primary use of the car is commuter and daily use.....I opt for the AWD due to the unpredictable weather in the winter and the ill prepared municipalities who cant seem to deal with it year in and year out. Thus my choice for the new impreza with the new cvt..coupled with its improved MPG.....already own a 11 Outback which she drives....now I will use the impreza 5dr to replace my 200K chevy.....
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    While many may well consider me a purist when it comes to the manual transmission equipped cars, it is only because I like the extra control the stick offers me over even the latest and greatest automatic transmissions of any stripe.

    As for traffic, well, I've lived on some of the most congested cities in the world and with the exception of the nearly four years I was banished to minivandom (complete with an automatic), I've driven exclusively manual transmissions since the mid 1970s. Can't say that even in the worst of the multi-hour grinds through Los Angeles, San Francisco, Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, New York, Boston, and Stuttgart, I never once wished for an automatic (quite the opposite while I was driving a family minivan).
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,461
    Haha, no, it wasn't. And, it wasn't Subaru's only model in the 1990s that fit that mold. But, that thinking also nearly drove the company in to the ground. When they regrouped in the late 90's with the Legacy/Outback and Impreza, then added the Forester, they really reset their core.

    I agree with you, though.... In today's automotive world, their pace is too slow even if the current machinery is tried, true, and adequate.
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,459
    This car [SVX] wasn't very conservative:

    And to bring this full circle ... the SVX was only available with an automatic transmission.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Really? I could have sworn I test drove a 5-Speed model back in the day. I didn't buy because I hated the mouse-track seat-belt thing.
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,459
    Yes, Really. Maybe you test drove an XT?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    In that case, it did well relative to its competition. Cool.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think so because the SVX had airbags, so no motorized mice, AFAIK.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Not the one I drove, it definitely had the mouse track thing.
  • this from my local dealer (only one within 100 miles). They do not yet have the 2012 Impreza in stock, but shortly. This is sounding like invoice cost on any $20,000 car? Good deal, or?

    John
  • paopao Posts: 1,867
    depends on the model....basic, premium or limited...and what other options are available...1200 off MSRP isnt necessarily a good deal....not thinking that is exactly invoice either...
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,461
    I agree. $1200 off a $20,000 car is approximately invoice, but not so for one more expensive than that. For example, an H6 Limited Outback has over $2,000 between MSRP and invoice.

    If you want a quick approximation of invoice as compared to a particular Subaru's MSRP, just take the MSRP and multiply it by 0.94.
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  • Has anyone taken delivery of a 2012 Impreza. I see that Subaru put a stop sell on the Impreza, Legacy and Outback on Nov 25 - due to a master cylinder recall.

    Is anyone hearing a date for vehicles to go back on sale?
  • bg18947bg18947 Posts: 183
    edited December 2011
    Yes, a couple of the folks at the NASIOC forums have taken delivery and snapped pix of their new Imprezas.

    NASIOC thread

    I'm still waiting for mine. I know it's in transit.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,715
    Just got a brochure in the mail from the sales rep who gave me a test drive a few weeks ago. (She'll get first crack at a sale if I go for the Impreza). It confirmed that in order to get cruise, you need to get Premium trim at a minimum. But at least the 5 speed is available on the Premium. Also I was disappointed to see that Camellia Red Pearl is not available with the ivory interior, at least not with base or Premium trims. I think that would be a sharp combo. I don't like all-black interiors--a little too dour.

    Anyway, the stereo on the Base is so basic--just 4 speakers and a CD, no iPod jack etc.--and with no cruise, I will have to go with the Premium.
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