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Which Hatchback?

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  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    "Thanks for the detailed reply! Yes, I was referring to the Spectra; the actual IIHS test was done on a Sephia, but the results should be applicable to its HB version as well."

    Whoa there, don't buy the old platform Spectra when the new Spectra5 is about to be introduced. I've driven the Focus and Elantra extensively and the new Spectra5 is the one car I'd probably choose over either of them. On the other hand the existing Spectra would be at the very bottom of the list.
  • I don't trust anything the IIHS says. Seriously, do you think an organization funded by insurance companies is in any way objective?
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Their objectivity might be clouded, but their number one goal is to improve safety and reduce costs of repair.

    I cannot see how that can possibly be anything but good for car owners.........
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,769
    The barriers they slam cars into is pretty objective.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,769
    Looks like major improvements for the Aerio, particularly the interior and the air bags. Could be a real contender now if Suzuki keeps the price reasonable. The Reno also looks interesting, but is saddled with a ho-hum powertrain. At least they saw fit to give the Reno side air bags standard (along with the '05 Forenza).
  • To me, it seems as if Suzuki is really targeting the MAZDA3 now with the Aerio's sharpened looks and improved interior. Frankly, I'll take the Aerio because it's cheaper, more fuel efficient, makes only 5 less HP from the same displacement as the 3s but more torque at a much lower RPM all without VVT, and the warranty is better.
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    Is the (04) Aveo included in GMs "72 hour" sale (zero financing or big time cash back) If so some say get a Corolla over a Prius & save $$, I say get a Aveo and really save $$ if thats a priority.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    now that Suzuki will sell the Reno which is basically a Matrix and Mazda3 hatch competitor, will it still ALSO sell the Aerio SX? Won't they be almost identical in most respects, if so?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,769
    I see Reno as more of an Aveo/Rio/Accent competitor (next Accent will be available as a 5-door hatch) at the low end and maybe Spectra/Elantra at the high end. I see the Aerio SX aimed more at Matrix and Mazda3.
  • The Reno and Aerio SX are about the same size. The Aerio is aimed more at the teenager/youth crowd and is more of a MAZDA3, Matrix, Focus competitor whereas the Reno is aimed at the new family crown who wants a luxurious car without the luxury pricetag.
  • Ok, my question, when is the new Spectra Hatchback actually become available? All the advance info said summer; its fall now, and its still not on Kia's website.
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    To heck with the Spectra, the Chevy Aveo http://www.chevrolet.com/aveo/ is available now but is it subject to GMs 72 hour sale ?
  • Well if you like the Aveo great, but it is a little too small and a bit underpowered for my needs. The Kia Spectra 5, along with the Elantra GT, the Ford Focus and the Matrix XR are sort of in the combination of price, performance that I am looking at.
  • carlisimocarlisimo Posts: 1,280
    The Elantra GT is great once you install the Tiburon's rear sway bar. So add a couple hundred dollars to the price. Nice interior, too. I think the Spectra5 will be better than the current Elantra though, if only because it's newer.

    Haven't driven a Focus or Matrix, but I did drive the Matrix's twin, the Pontiac Vibe, and it felt like a small SUV. Even if I had been driving a performance version, the height you're at doesn't inspire spirited cornering. No fun. No visibility over your shoulders, either.

    I wish the Protege5 were still in production. The Mazda3 hatch is rather pricey.
  • I agree about the Mazda3 hatch, by the time you get it optioned out you are getting mighty close to 20 thousand. If I were to go that high, I would be awfully tempted to go for the VW GTI-VR6 which would include traction control (Or of course I could go several thousand less and get the same thing with the Elantra GT but at the cost of the sweet Vr6 engine a 6 speed manual ;). This is made doubly true because VW is currently offering a $1000 loyalty rebate and I currently drive a Jetta. Still I would prefer not pay 20ish for my next car if I don't have too.
  • Seems like pretty much every hatch in the US is mostly only available at the top of the model line. The Mazda3, Elantra, Spectra, even the late, lamented Protege5. That's the price you pay for deciding to get one, it's going to be more expensive than the sedan version.

    If you're looking for a cheaper hatch, you're pretty much restricted to a Focus or Aveo. Although the Focus isn't too bad, being a distant cousin of the Mazda3.

    Incidentally, the Spectra5 will probably be better than the ELantra GT hatch mostly because of the semi-wagon-hatch bodystyle...it'll lend extra structural stiffness to the car. Bets on who thinks the next Elantra hatch will look like that too? ;)
  • I agree about the Mazda3 hatch, by the time you get it optioned out you are getting mighty close to 20 thousand. If I were to go that high, I would be awfully tempted to go for the VW GTI-VR6 which would include traction control (Or of course I could go several thousand less and get the same thing with the Elantra GT but at the cost of the sweet Vr6 engine a 6 speed manual ;). This is made doubly true because VW is currently offering a $1000 loyalty rebate and I currently drive a Jetta. Still I would prefer not pay 20ish for my next car if I don't have too.
  • "mostly only available at the top of the model line."

    Word on the street is that for '05 Hyundai has a GLS hatch available - essentially the same thing, but with cloth interior and a few other changes down from the current GT hatch.

    Also, I do hafta admit that I got my '04 GT hatch last April for $12,850 incl. tax/title/etc and 100k b-to-b warranty extension... stickshift, no options, but I'd challenge anyone to find a comparably equipped anything, with half the warranty coverage, for two grand more.
  • smith20smith20 Posts: 256
    "Word on the street is that for '05 Hyundai has a GLS hatch available - essentially the same thing, but with cloth interior and a few other changes down from the current GT hatch."

    Really? I think that's a good move for Hyundai. That'll open them up more consumers who like/consider hatchbacks more for their utilitarian aspects.
  • Ok, now on the Kia web site they have the new Spectra 5, in addition both Canadian Driver and Road and Track both have favorable reviews. Road and Track's biggest complaint is the familiar one about the clutch... buy hey every car has quirks.
  • bikerpabikerpa Posts: 68
    All I see is
    http://www.kia.com/spectra/hatchback.php
    Which is from like a year ago. Or are you talking about the Kia Canadia website?
    http://www.kia.ca/nameplate.asp?lang=en&plate=spectra5
    There we go... that looks really slick, like they took a Mazda3 and Elantra hatch and mashed them together. 16" wheels, same engine as the Elantra, roof-mount antenna, 30/43mpg... wow. I really really like that.
  • Try
    http://www.kiaspectra5.com

    There is a link to it on the kia web page.. have you tried reloading from scratch? You might be getting a page stored in your cache.

    Regarding the Canadian site; be careful about the gas mileage; its in imperial gallons which are 4/5s the size of an American Gallon. Figure 24/34 or something like that.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    Did anyone else notice that Kia copied the "SX" moniker from Suzuki's Aerio??? I don't really care for this car...doesn't look as good as the MAZDA3 or Aerio IMO. They both offer a better design inside and out with more HP. Plus, the Aerio SX has automatic climate control, sportier chrome gauges, 6-disc in-dash CD player, subwoofer, and a better warranty. The MAZDA3 is just plain better overall.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    also costs more than Spectra5 is projected to.

    I think the "SX" is becoming kind of generic these days with the huge increase in small crossovers available. SX = S-port X-over (sport crossover).

    I think Spectra5's most direct competition is going to come from the Suzuki Reno, which by the way looks EXACTLY like a stretched Daewoo Lanos from five years ago to me. Did Italdesign design this car today for Suzuki, or in 1998 for Daewoo and it just didn't get used until now?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Well obviously issues about which car looks best is all but entirely subjective. If you prefer the looks of the Aerio SX fine. That being said, I think the Spectra has somethings going for it that the Aerio can't or doesn't match. I don't consider the Mazda3 a direct competitor since getting one with anywhere near equal equipment is going to cost you thousands more than either the Suzuki or the Kia.

    That being said, here are the areas I think the Kia has the Suzuki beat on.

    1. 6 air bags: in this class of cars the Kia is definitely unique, not even its corporate sibling the Hyundai Elantra matches that.

    2. Larger gas tank and longer driving range. For some people the extra 1.3 gallons in the Kia will mean an extra day between fill-ups.

    3. No Sunroof available on the Suzuki. While some people don't like them, some do, and it is a shame that you can't get one on the Aerio.

    4. 16" wheels on the Spectra, 15" on the Aerio. In part because of how tall the Aerio is, its wheels look even smaller. Admittedly this is mostly a question of looks, but I know of few people who actually prefer the smaller wheels.

    The other thing that the Kia has going for it is that Kia/Hyundai is moving up market. In addition each of those brands seem to be finally developing some logic to the marketing of their brands. Suzuki is getting most of the former Daewoo products dumped on them which means they now have the Forenza/Reno competing with the one car they actually make and sell in America. It leads to a more muddled marketing category. The fact that the Forenza and Reno are arguably more attractive vehicles (If not as capable in terms of either power or handling) can't help the Aerio either.
  • Spectra vs. Aerio
    Frnt, Driver - 4 vs. 4
    Frnt, Pass - 4 vs. 3
    Side, Driver - 4 vs. 5
    Side, Pass - 3 vs. 4

    1. I pulled these crash results of another website. Doesn't look like the Spectra's 6 airbags mean all that much. It has 1 less star overall.

    2. Fair enough

    3. True

    4. For cars in this class, with relatively limited power, smaller wheels provide for better acceleration and fuel economy. They are also cheaper to upgrade, and the tires are cheaper to replace and/or upgrade.

    Aerio advantages:
    1. Better crash test
    2. AWD available
    3. More versatile tall-wagon config
    4. 155hp (vs. 138hp)
    5. 26/33mpg vs. 24/32mpg - Fuel efficiency is better on the Suzuki, cheaper ownership cost.

    The Spectra is a much nicer car than the previous Sephia/Spectra (one of the worst cars ever), but it's not really a standout. And Kia still makes some of the least reliable cars on the road, while the Aerio is an actual Suzuki design (which bodes well for its dependability).

    Kia has improved, but I still don't think that the Spectra is better in any way than the Aerio. I still think it is bottom of the heap in its class.
  • rctennis3811rctennis3811 Posts: 1,031
    While some of that is true, some of it is not. For one, the Aerio already is a "best pick" in IIHS frontal test scores. It also earned a 5-star rating in the NHSTA side-impact test without the side-impact airbags. The new side-impact airbags cover both the torso and head and rear passengers don't always need as much protection, though I think they should also have an airbag...so I agree partially with you there. Yes a sunroof is not available, but you can get one custom made from a dealer, but not everyone is willing to do that. The 16" rims on the Spectra don't even look that great, so I wouldn't trumpet that. Also, Suzuki has launched SWT (Suzuki Works Techno) which means you can order body kits, mufflers, wheels, decals, etc. from your Suzuki dealer starting this November...ala Scion. That includes the Aerio getting 16" and 17" wheels as accessories.

    While Hyundai is moving upmarket, Kia is NOT. They will be left mainstream while Hyundai eventually shoots for a more upscale image. Sure, GMDAT is dumping a lot of cars on Suzuki, but Suzuki also has many new upcoming products by 2007, one of them including the next-generation Grand Vitara and an SUV based on GM's Theta architecture. One thing Kia does not have is GM's financial support...
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    the fact that Hyundai is trying to move upmarket means that the Elantra hatches are doomed. They have only just introduced a GLS hatch for '05. Hatches are not generally viewed in America as "upscale".

    Suzuki's own cars have proven over the years to be well put together, if cheap, and reliable. I am not sure how far I would trust any of the rebadged Daewoo crap though...
    So give me an Aerio over a Reno/Forenza/Verona any day of the week.
    Sidenote: too bad Suzuki has finally dropped the Vitara V-6. Tough little truck with cheap little price.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    "Hyundai considered high quality by owners
    Posted Oct 4, 2004, 2:09 PM ET by David Thomas"

    "In a study sure to make the Korean automaker happy and most of us confused, an automotive consulting firm released a new study that reported Hyundai as the second highest ranked carmaker when it comes to best value. It placed behind only Lexus in the survey based on price, affordability, expected reliability and resale value. Somewhere Honda & Toyota (the brand) is looking around to see what went wrong. Oddly enough Toyota’s new youth effort, Scion, tied Mercedes-Benz at #3, while Toyota itself didn’t break the top ten. Honda eked out a sixth place finish. The rest of the list included Infiniti, Acura, Cadillac, BMW, Audi and Volvo."
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