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Acura TSX Clutch Problems

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,806
    They might have engineered the clutch for very smooth operation and very little effort, at the cost of durability. I think if I were a good stichshift driver and I still had premature clutch wear, I would opt to install a heavier duty clutch and pressure plate next time around. I'm sure they make 'em for Acura. If the pressure plate doesn't apply enough force, the disk will slip and that means wear. I'd risk a little strain on my left leg and possibly a little clutch grab for 3X the clutch life.

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  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,796
    Oh I agree, it's rare to have a clutch wear out at 30K.

    I've owned plenty as well and only my first MT vehicle wore out that quickly - first clutch at 11K, second clutch at 30K.

    Next vehicle was fine at 80K when I traded it and after that was fine at 140K when I traded it.
  • Well, if they did that they made a mistake, IMO. Honda clutch's are known for their durability. To all of a sudden reverse field and produce a clutch with shorter life in the name of smoothness is ludicrous.

    Besides, many other TSX drivers I know of have gone over a 100K with no issues.
  • Hi all,

    I bought the car used at 35K miles and i LOVE IT, it's the first car I honestly and truly love. at 46K miles, the clutch failed. stopped on the freeway. the car is under extended warranty but ha-ha, that doesn't include the clutch. I bit my tongue and paid $2K to a dealership, blaming the damage on the first owner.

    10 months and 14K miles later (today), I took it in for a 60,000 mile service and mentioned that I didn't like how clutch behaved ever since another dealership put in a new one. MY CLUTCH FAILED AGAIN, they tell me. the warranty covers 12 months or 12K miles, so i'm out of luck.

    may be i'm not the world's best driver, but I know that I don't burn rubber and I don't ride the clutch. 14 K MILES FOR A NEW CLUTCH!!!!

    I called corporate and found out that they don't have:
    (1) technical experts capable of telling me about expected life expectancies of any parts
    (2) legal advisors capable of offering guidance

    am I crazy? or should a clutch last longer than 10 months under normal driving conditions?

    please, I'm in dire need of sanity check before I sell my baby ....
  • I have an 04 TSX 6spd with 45,000 miles. I am currently on the 3rd clutch master cylinder. My clutch pedal squeaks from time to time, and also become a bit notchy right off the floor. This is why the dealer has replaced the master cylinder 2x already. once at 18,000 and again at 41,000. It STILL occasionally has the problem. Seems to happen more in humid/wet weather. The dealer is willing to take care of me after my warranty expires in march. (Some threats and bad reviews of the dealer/service manager to Acura corporate helped secure that.)

    Has anyone else had similar problems with a creaky/notchy clutch pedal?
  • I leased a 2007 TSX MT and have had it for 23 months. I was driving it back from California to Oregon on I-5 in cruise control when my clutch went out on me. This is the 2nd Acura I have bought at Tonkin in Portland... I love Hondas! I have always taken it to the dealer I bought it from for all services... even though it's more expensive than a private shop, this way they have all records showing I have had all of my services kept up on.

    They told me that normally this is considered a wear item but that since I have had all of my services done there previously they will cover the otherwise $1800 fix. I wonder if this is bc I leased it and can just turn it in at the end? Not sure, but I will be raving about Tonkin to everyone I know!! They have always taken great care of me as a loyal customer.

    Still CRAZY that my clutch went out at 25K!! Has anyone else had early problems with their 2007 MTs? I have been driving MT for 10 years now, and would hope I know what I am doing by now!!
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    Sorry to hear about the clutch going out but glad to hear you have an excellent dealer. I am happy to say I have no problems with the clutch on my 06 tsx, bought new 11/17/06. It now has 66,500 miles. I also have an excellent dealer that I recommend to others-Lehigh Valley Acura in Pa..
  • I too have driven MT cars for a long time (40+ years) and like you and the posters of this thread’s Messages #61 (‘clubkitty’) and #66 (‘levinbrook’), have experienced premature clutch failure with my Acura (’05 TL model), requiring two clutch replacements over the course of 84K miles of driving -- around twice the failure rate for the clutches on the 7 cars previously owned by me. Based on such prior experience (and as a practicing professional engineer), I find it absurd that a properly operated clutch should need replacing at about the same time as the disk-brake pads do, as mine did. Making it even more absurd, the total parts & labor cost was around twice that for other cars (including clutch replacements in Honda’s, Acura’s parent company, by the way), resulting in fourfold higher clutch-replacement costs over time!!

    I believe that the poster ‘levinbrook’ was exploring the possibility of some sort of class-action lawsuit, but I do not know what progress s/he has made in such pursuits.
  • Sorry to hear about the short clutch wear life. Might want to look into a 100% Kevlar composite clutch from Tribco www.tribco.com. Their products last 3-5 times longer, is smooth engaging and doesn't wear the flywheel! :D Just make sure the opposing surface is smooth and free of grooves and cracks to begin with and it'll stay that way.
  • jlarjlar Posts: 1
    I completely agree. My TSX clutch went out at 38K miles and I went to Acura but the District Manager here in the Bellevue area denied me (where I bought the car new). I have driven a manual transmission for 18 years and this is the first clutch to die on me. It is a faulty clutch. $1,300 later, that is the last Acura I will ever buy. Luxury car? Warranty? WHATEVER!!!! I am going to tell everyone I know.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    sorry for your problems with the tsx clutch. I own a 06 6MT tsx, bought new 11/06. It has 88,000+problem free miles. Love it . I am planning on buying the 2010 TL when it gets the manual transmission.
  • I am so sorry to hear of your problem also with your clutch. They really should have done something for you, at the very least to meet you half way?! I hope that you told them about how they made you feel about Acuras and about their dealership!

    Terrible... customer service can make all the difference!

    Here's hoping your Acura has a long life now after you have replaced the clutch!!
  • Just experienced clutch failure the other day with my 2007 TSX with only 36,000 miles. Had to have the car towed to the dealer after the clutch failed and was quoted around $1800 to have it replaced. I've been driving manual transmission vehicles for the last 14 years (4 vehicles total purchased new), mostly highway driving, and all of my other vehicles have gotten at least 70-80K miles without having any issues with the clutch. Dealer suggested I call Acura customer care, and they (along with the district service manager) explained that the clutch is a "wear and tear" item, and after 12,000 miles, there are ABSOLUTELY no exceptions to this unless something else faulty within the transmission caused the clutch failure. Other than this, I'd been pretty happy with my car, and may have considered purchasing a new one next year sometime, but after reading these posts and hearing Acura's response on this, I will absolutely never consider another Acura vehicle again.
  • Dang!! There's nothing they will do for you? The Acura dealership I worked with actually made the call to fix it for me. They said it would be a one time favor since it was the second car I had bought from them and also I take it there for all of its servicing. Did you tell the dealer that you will never buy Acura again and spread the word to everyone you knew not to buy from their store? This might get their attention... it sounds like a bunch of crap to me!
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    sorry to hear that-I am happy to say I have no problems with the clutch (knock on wood) on my 06 tsx, bought new 11/06. It now has 93,000+miles, I learned to drive manual transmission on the first car I owned-a 1971 VW Super Beetle (my brother taught me) Have been driving MT ever since and never had clutch problems.
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    The thing that makes this unusual is that it failed in such a way that it had to be towed. Generally a clutch goes out slowly over time - it doesn't just blow up to the point that it can't be driven all of a sudden.
  • Hmm, weird. I have not ever had a clutch go out on me previous to that, so I am not sure how that typically works. Mine would randomly rev really high if I would try to push on the gas sometimes. I had no problems whatsoever with my clutch until that... and of course I took it to the dealership that very day, bc there's no way you can drive it like that! But yeah, I didn't have to have it towed. I was 200 miles away from home when it happened and was able to limp it in to the dealership.

    That is really awful that you have to deal with that! With the hard economic times right now, you would think they would be fighting for your repeat business and/or referrals!
  • tech30tech30 Posts: 1
    Sounds like you people... need to stop complaining, go back to school and learn how to drive a vehicle with a clutch...
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    update-my tsx now has 94,000 miles-no clutch problems-still smooth
  • Wow, your intelligence astounds me. I guess you have never heard of parts failing?
  • Well it happened to me. Last Friday I got into the TSX and no clutch. Had it towed to Walker Acura here in New Orleans. Monday evening the service manager calls and confirms clutch is shot and repairs will not be covered under warranty because this is a wear and tear item. I express dismay, since the car only has 19,000 miles on it. He will not budge. I call Acura Client Services and am basically told " too bad" clutch considered a wear and tear item. I explain I am 58 years old and certainly do not dog the car. No avail.

    I have been driving manual transmissions since I was 15. My current daily driver is a 2002 Corvette 6 speed with over 80,000 miles. Never a clutch problem.

    I am highly disappointed with Acura. This is my second Acura ( I had a manual CL a few years back) but likely my last. I expect this kind of blow off from GM but not Honda. Fortunately I am an attorney so I will pursue this in small claims court if need be. Again,my beef is with Acura, not the dealer. From other posts on this site I see premature clutch failure is a recurring problem that Acura just does not want to address.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Before I sold the car in 2005, the T/O bearing on my 2004 TSX clutch started going out at 18,000 miles. The dealer fixed my car under warranty.

    It's my opinion that the drive-by-wire throttle is a contributor to the problem. Throttle tip-in is more sensitive/sudden than on manual cars of a few years ago (with conventional cable actuated throttles), and it's more strain on the clutch to get a smooth engagement/disengagement.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,806
    It's very hard to judge clutch failure without having the parts in front of us.

    If you pull off the pressure plate and the springs fall out, that's probably a defect. Certainly a bad TO bearing is a defect (in the warranty period I mean).

    But a clutch disk worn to the rivets and a flywheel burned blue---well that's probably the driver. (presuming the pressure plate is functioning well and intact).

    Sometimes (often?) it's a combination effect....the hydraulics malfunction and the driver keeps on rolling in spite of that, making life harder for clutch and synchros.

    Even geography is an issue. A clutch in San Francisco is going to fail more often than one in Kansas. This goes without saying, all other things being equal. And one in snow country probably wears faster than one in Arizona.

    And one that tows a trailer, etc.

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  • Thanks. I am bringing the parts to my Corvette mechanic. It just seems to me, absent intentional abuse, a clutch should not fail in under 20000 miles.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,806
    That's a good idea. Maybe he can spot something.

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  • Well it looks like this might have a reasonably happy ending after all. Got a call from the service manager today that Acura, as a gesture of " goodwill", will cover all the parts and labor for the repairs except for the cost of the clutch disc itself, which the manages says will be under $ 400. So what started out as a $ 1500 to $ 2000 or so job will cost me less than $ 400.

    This seems reasonable to me and goes a long way to restoring my faith in Acura and its dealers.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,258
    that the cost (or price) of a clutch disc is under $400.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,806
    Must be one of those gold-plated disks used for racing! :P

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  • Wow, terrible! I am sorry to hear that. I wonder what the deal is with Acura TSX clutches? Hasn't Honda been doing this right for many years?

    I sure hope you are somehow able to make things happen! In my experience, it was the dealer that ultimately made the call to cover my clutch fix... they told me they would take care of it but only bc I had bought 2 cars from them and taken it there for all of its servicing.

    I say good luck to you!! It is outrageous for them to not cover that in a situation like yours.
  • Wow, awesome! That sounds MUCH more reasonable than nothing covered! So glad to hear your luck turned around! =)
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