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Acura TSX Clutch Problems

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  • I think since they're doing you right by completely replacing your tranny, clutch plate, etc, there's little chance they'll give you a new car instead.

    After all the work is done, the drivetrain should be close to as good as new.
  • I had a BMW 525 that had a transmission electrical failure at 1,200 miles. No, they didn't repalce the entire car, just the transmission. The rest of the car was perfect for 90k+ miles after that.

    You need a new transmission and clutch system. Why on earth would you need a whole new car??
  • cessna3cessna3 Posts: 2
    My '06 TSX 6MT is just over two weeks old now and just under 1000 miles. Since day one, I have had intermittent problems getting it to shift smoothly, mainly into 2nd and 3rd gear. About once-twice a day it actually lurches me forward in my seat as if the clutch is coming in on an engine that is braking heavily. Other times, it is as smooth as can be...like it should be, I would think, for a car of this caliber!

    I have spent probably 200 of the 1000 miles just driving around trying to figure it out thinking it was me that did not have the rhythm, yet I have owned 5 MT's in the past with no problem and made a comment to the sales guy during my test drive (different car) that it was one of the smoothest MT's I had ever driven. It appears that it has something to do with a load on the engine such as the A/C clutch, yet it still happens with the environmental controls off. I had one service guy tell me yesterday that he thought it was probably normal. Another one at a different dealer this morning said it probably isn't, yet we didn't drive it. I have an appointment Tuesday.

    My questions are #1, for those who have a TSX 6MT, do you experience anything like this with yours or does it continually shift smoothly? and #2 is there anyone out there who has seen this before and did you find a solution? Please help! :confuse: What a bummer to be this frustrated so early in my TSX experience...
  • seazseaz Posts: 3
    Actually, I have a 2004 TSX 6sp and I've started to notice the same odd noise. It's loud, and passengers ask "what was that?" When coming out of first gear, particularly on an incline, I occasionally hear a 'howling' sound. I'm kind of upset about this, since the car only has about 30k miles and I have babied the car around. I just don't understand how it can have clutch issues so soon.

    I also noticed the 'clicking' sound when I engaged the cluch pedal at an early stage -- probably 20k miles. The dealer said they lubricated something and it actually stopped, but that fix only lasted about a week. Now it does it off an on, its rather inconsistent. And now 10k miles later, I hear the howling.

    Now I'm just waiting for a complete clutch failure. Is that what I can expect? From what I have read, it sounds like the dealer will not repair under warranty, either.
  • Hi, I just experienced the same problem with my 2004 Acura TSX - 5 speed. It was driving fine then, boom, on a moderate uphill grade, it lost compression, and 2 minutes later it died. I towed it to an Acura dealer who gave me a $1600 estimate. My question to you is -- how was your problem resolved -- was the root cause ever determined? Did Acura HQ cover the costs? Thanks, Dennis of Oakland, CA
  • I bought a used 04 TSX 6MT Navi with 15K miles in May. (Certified used) Recently the cluch started to make a creaking noise and wasn't very smooth up or down. I took it to a different dealer in my area for what I thought would be just a lube. Turns out they replaced the clutch master cylinder. They never even drove it. All under warranty. Great service, no problems since.
  • dhejnadhejna Posts: 5
    Hi, I took my 2004 TSX into the shop - they're placing the clutch - they said it is not under warranty - in fact - the dealer said car manufacturer's do not warranty the clutch. I wonder why they consider your's "under warranty." Thanks for the reply - the clutch is a $1700 job - car's got under 50,000 miles.
  • johnny420johnny420 Posts: 473
    The clutch certainly is covered under warranty, but most dealers seem to fight it tooth and nail, claiming driver abuse or something similar. A lot of people do abuse their clutches, but a clutch going out with less than 50K on the odo seems premature.
  • dhejnadhejna Posts: 5
    I'll have to read the warranty carefully. Thanks for the reply.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    could you please let me know where you got your information from. I thought the clutch is not covered under warranty- it is a normal wear item. Usually if the clutch is defective you will know way before 50,000 miles. We have been very lucky with the many manual transmission cars we have owned all going over 100,000 miles. We do mostly highway driving so that helps. Stop and go traffic pays havic on clutches.We never rest our foot on it either. Bad habit.
  • johnny420johnny420 Posts: 473
    The TSX comes with a bumper-to-bumper warranty and the clutch lies between the bumpers. I agree it's a normal wear item, but 50K miles is way premature for a clutch to fail unless it's been hammered on or abused.

    I would argue vehemently with the dealer to have this covered. If that doesn't work, contact Acura and deal with them.

    Somebody correct me if I'm wrong about this.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,601
    Typically many clutch parts are excluded from the B to B warranty as they are wear items just like brake pads, wipers, et al.

    Usually wear parts in the clutch will be covered for 12K/12 months as they figure nobody should be able to kill a clutch that quickly.
  • dhejnadhejna Posts: 5
    Thanks again for your reply. I agree re the prematurity clutch - I live outside SF - bit more hilly around here -- but still ----The service manager is keeping the parts, took pictures of the parts, said he had the "corporate service managers" look at it, etc. and say it is a "wear" problem - that I either "rode the clutch" or the previous owner did (I bought the car with 13K miles). I will pursue with Acura corporate.....unfortuntately, I've got a "bail" the car out today.....it will be a matter of me trying to get my $ back ....thx so much again for your feedback - much appreciated ...
  • Cannot comment on Acura clutch warranties but I can tell you that to burn out a modern clutch in 50,000 miles you have to just about intentionally do it. One of my Audis got 185,000 out of its orignal clutch and audi I once had got to 175,000 on its clutch. Mostly in town driving. did not abuse it but did not baby it either.
  • If the clutch is removed and the clutch disk is worn down to the rivets, or the flywheel is burned blue and the pressure plate is intact and undamaged, I don't think a "defective" clutch would be the right diagnosis.

    It's very possible the clutch system may have been substandard and may have caused premature wear, but the idea is this, that a slipping clutch is noticeable to the driver and so if the clutch disk is worn down to the nubs, there is at least a shared responsibility here.

    I'd say (speaking for myself) that if my clutch wore out at say 35K and we disassembled it and found no problem with the pressure plate or TO bearing and the clutch disk was worn down, I'd ask for some sort of "you pay parts, I pay labor" settlement.

    After 50,000 miles, the whole idea of a "defect" becomes less and less likely IMO.

    Really situations like this boil down to how hard-[non-permissible content removed] the dealer wants to be with you. He has discretionary monies to make good will repairs (if he's in good stead with the factory).
  • dhejnadhejna Posts: 5
    Thanks for the feedback. I asked the dealer to save the parts (he didn't) but instead sent me pictures. I'm in the process this week of documenting my case.....I'm also going to look into the risks of the hydraulic (vs. cable) clutches installed over the last few years .....I've heard they behave substantially differently - and of course have pros and cons...... one of the cons being that this type of clutch is engineered to clutch "for you" in certain cases.....so will lead to premature wear and tear...
  • dhiodhio Posts: 2
    I too had my clutch fail at less than 38,000 miles. I was stunned to be told today by the dealership, and later a zone rep from Acura, that they would not replace it because of driver abuse. Basically, they said that they believe because of wear on my tire treads (they claimed the fronts were 'bald' despite the fact that they just passed a state inspection) and the state of the clutch that they think the damage could only be done if I was racing or something. If you knew me, you'd know just how funny this is... I am a 36yo woman who has never raced a car in her life. I drove my Honda Civic for 8 years without a single clutch problem (or other mechanical issue, for that matter) and my TSX goes only from home (in a hilly neighborhood) to work (in a congested downtown area). I don't know how the tires got worn that way, unless it was as I was spinning the tires trying to get the car out of a middle lane on a hill after the clutch went out Saturday.

    Anyway, I loved my TSX and I thought I loved Acura, but I'm just baffled by this.
  • I also have had my clutch fail at less than 30k. Acura has been very insistent that its simply the fact that women can't drive a manual transmission and maybe some driving lessons would help! I've got over a decade worth of experience driving exclusively MT vehicles and I seriously doubt it's me. I've been dealing with acura since June, and now they tell me it's simply wear & tear. In a car I've owned for less than a year it has spent almost half of that time in the shop for various malfunctions. I go back today to get my car, but I think I know what they're going to stay---
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,601
    Folks - a clutch is a wear part. Typically manufacturers will cover it for 12 months/12K miles as a courtesy but after that, it's considered to be worn.
  • Folks - a clutch is a wear part. Typically manufacturers will cover it for 12 months/12K miles as a courtesy but after that, it's considered to be worn.

    Yeah, it's a wear item, but a clutch failing at 30K miles is ridiculous. Short of outright abuse, I can't envision a scenario where normal use would cause this, unless there's something inherently wrong with the clutch assembly.

    I've been driving MT equipped vehicles for 29 years, and I've never had a clutch wear out in less than 100K miles, and they usually run out to 120K or so.
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