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2013 and earlier-Honda Accord Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • Hey [mattgg1],
    I received quotes from dealers that listed "No Charge" for some of the options I asked for but their bottom line was still substantially padded elsewhere. If they still have a ton of money in the deal somewhere else (over invoice) then what difference does it make WHAT they are charging you for that particular option or all the options together ON PAPER? It's all bait and switch! Make it look pretty over here (in the options department) but screw you over there ("pay no attention to that fool behind the curtain"). I'll bet if you go to enough sources (and you went to several) you may eventually find one of each optional item I listed as "FREE of charge" or "NO charge" by some dealer somewhere. But it's still the bottom line that counts. What you conveniently failed to mention about my explanation is when I said "The above options are initially shown to the buyer at a much higher RETAIL PRICE (more than double in many cases) BUT IT MEANS NOTHING! ONLY THE BOTTOM LINE MATTERS!" It's not important WHERE they put their profit ON PAPER (they have to make SOMETHING on the deal or it's NO DEAL). I was just explaining HOW "they" (my particular dealership where I purchased the vehicle from) eventually listed the pricing for the options on MY particular purchase agreement to arrive at the bottom line that I agreed to BEFORE they did the paperwork. They can shuffle the numbers around all they want and in any fashion they want but I'm still only paying $27,284.76 (not including tax and tags) WITH ALL THE OPTIONS I SELECTED! Here's YOUR challenge: You show me someone who bought the same identical car in the same identical state (Maryland) for $1,565.24 UNDER invoice and ALSO PAID WHAT YOU LISTED for each of the options . . . THEN I'LL BE IMPRESSED AND ALL SHOOK UP ABOUT IT (which is your obvious jealous intent). Show me a "purchase price" under $27,284.76 (not including tax and tags)for a NEW 2007 EX-L V-6 AT w/Navigation (no mileage) WITH those options and I'll be devastated to your complete satisfaction. Taking the lowest price from one source you found on a particular option over here and the lowest price you found on another particular option from another source over there and lumping them all together doesn't add up to nothing but a FUTILE ATTEMPT TO BUY A CAR (stop dreaming). IF you show me a NEW (no mileage) 2007 EX-L V-6 AT with Navigation WITHOUT ANY OPTIONS AT ALL for a purchase price SUBSTANTIALLY below $25,061.76 (not including tax and tags) THEN I will get all bent out of shape over it for, JUST FOR YOU, and complete your day :) When you do find it, I'll give you my fax number so you can send over the purchase order and rub my nose in it real good! As for the $300 Mop and Glow. Knock yourself out Dude!
  • mattgg1mattgg1 Posts: 191
    dwynne -

    You are correct, the prices I cited do not include the cost of labor.

    However, the majority of these options (splash guards, wheel locks, moldings, cargo net, wax/scotchguard) can be installed with little effort or cost.

    The only options requiring any real skill or time, as you mentioned, are the fog lights and spoiler. The price savings on the spoiler alone is $260. A friend of mine had a spoiler installed on a 2006 Accord for $50, which would still save you over $200.

    And you are correct, shipping is not included in those prices.

    However, in most cases you will not pay sales tax on these items (unless you live in the same state as the online company) as you would have to at the dealer, which should cover the cost of shipping.

    For example, sales tax on all of the options (except extended warranty & pinstripe) would total $126 in my state (6% sales tax). Yet total shipping costs from one of these sites was less than $50, which means you would save even more money.
  • mattgg1mattgg1 Posts: 191
    ballroomdancer -

    Wow! Judging by your post, I think you may need to lay off the caffeine! I think you've gotten a bit too worked up over my comments.

    I agree with you that it's the bottom line that counts, and that was my point in the first place.

    You paid about $1500 under invoice for your car, which is great, but you paid a lot more for all of your add-ons than they are worth. For the sake of argument, lets say you were overcharged $1000 on all of those options.

    This effectively means you paid about $500 under invoice, after facoring in being overcharged on the add-ons. This is in line with what most in this forum are paying, if not a bit higher.

    On a side note, I'm not sure why you're taking things so personally..."your obvious jealous intent", "devastated to your complete satisfaction", "rub my nose in it real good." Take some deep breaths and relax.
  • gringo1gringo1 Posts: 67
    Here in Colorado dealers are telling me 21.8k for an SE V-6 and that no Colorado Honda dealers have any market incentives on the Accord this month.

    I can go to Texas to buy or New Mexico.

    Anyone have info about Texas Accords or NM?

    Thx,
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Come on down,Pardner and do some biddness.
  • he8833he8833 Posts: 52
    ballroomdancer,

    I dont think Mattgg1 was trying to one-up you. He was simply trying to point out the fact that if bought online SOME of those items could have been purchased for less. Its sounds like you were very discplined and systematic in negoitating a price for your vechile. The purchase price of your car is one of the lowest I have seen. You are also correct in that people need to be careful when beliveing they recieved a good deal on the purchase price when @ the same time their getting screwed on the trade-in etc. So their so called "great deal" is anything but.

    I belive Mattgg1 post was helpful as some of the items if purchased online can be bought cheaper vs. purchasing from the dealer. This may help somone else whos considering those same options save money by purchasing them online vs purchasing throuugh a dealer, which is the very information this forum strives to get out.
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    I agree... all posts are helpful. And the $1000 - $2000 below invoice seems to be the norm now.

    My only comment is that I think paying for the mop and glow is very questionable. Can't remember a savvy buyer who made that decision because it is almost pure dealer profit.
  • jmr237jmr237 Posts: 9
    I think you can do better. I found that a dealership's internet sales people will email a good quote right off the bat, but if you call them they'll go down without much prodding. Try to knock at least $500 off the $21,000, if not more.
  • mindaugasmindaugas Posts: 10
    It was Honda on Grand in Elmhurst. Do you want to pay cash for your new car or finance it ?
  • I sincerely appreciate your comments he8833. Obviously I had personal difficulty getting past Mattgg 1’s comment: "you still paid way too much" for the options. I couldn't help but feel he was deliberately missing the point in order to make it look like I "still paid way too much" for the options (go figure?). He may be having a difficult time understanding that I negotiated the car as a package! I’ll try to explain it again: I could not know ahead of time (and really didn't care) if the dealer would type in $1 for the cargo net or $500 for the cargo net. How the dealer wanted to juggle the numbers above the actual purchase price to meet my actual purchase price demand of $29,804 (OTD, including tax and tags) was of no interest to me! To say I "paid way too much" for the options is unfair. I only gave a thorough breakdown of how THE DEALER FILLED OUT THE PURCHASE ORDER. This way, everyone could see how it compared to the dealers normal retail pricing. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I ACTUALLY PAID FOR THE OPTIONS! I'll explain it another way in hopes that someone out there (that means you Mattgg 1) can understand and appreciate that I did NOT PAY $300 for MOP AND GLO or even $980 for the eight year extended warranty (zero deductible). HERE IS THE WAY THE DEAL SHOULD BE PROPERLY VIEWED (now pull out your calculators and read carefully): $28,264.76 (is the actual purchase amount for the car PLUS ALL THE OPTIONS excluding tax and tags). Now SUBSTRACT $26,627 (which is the invoice price for the HONDA EX-L V-6 AT with Navigation WITHOUT ANY OPTIONS excluding tax and tags). The difference on your calculator should be = $1,637.76. Think about it. I only paid a combined total price of $1,637.76 OVER the INVOICE PRICE for ALL of the following options: Splash Guards; Wheel Locks; Pinstripe; Paint Matched Moldings (i.e. Fender well and door edge trim, etc.); Rear Wing Spoiler; Fog Lights; Hood Switch Kit; Cargo Net; Eight (8) year Extended Honda Care Warranty (Zero Deductible) PLUS the Paint and Leather Protection Package. THE WAY I SEE IT that's averaging about $163 PER OPTION (above the invoice price, not including tax and tags). Any light bulbs going off out there? Now, ABOUT ALL THOSE NEGATIVE COMMENTS CONCERNING THE MOP AND GLO (this ones for you tallman1): You guys have got to quit kidding yourselves about all the exterior and interior hazards to a 30K vehicle just so you can save a few hundred dollars (or $163 in my case). To completely detail a car inside and out can cost way over $200 per visit. That’s means even if I did pay $300 for MOP AND GLO (which I didn’t) it would more than pay for itself if the P&L prevented me from paying for two “detailing” jobs. But you see, we’re not talking about a little wash and wax job here (Mop and Glo?). NOT ONE OF YOU GUYS WHO ARE BEING CRITICAL HAS PROBABLY EVEN READ THE PAINT AND LEATHER PROTECTION WARRANTY CERTIFICATE. So, I’m going to give to you the short and sweet READER"S DIGEST VERSION from the Paint and Leather Protection Certificates as follows: INTERIOR LEATHER (or cloth) Warranty (7 years/RENEWABLE FOR LIFE) “. . . against damage as a result of normal spills of water, coffee, soda, milk, baby oil, lubricating oil or greasy products such as mayonnaise and French fried potatoes or if the leather (or cloth) interior of the vehicle treated becomes damaged by FADING, DISCOLORING or CRACKING OF THE DASH . . . ECP will pay for CLEANING and/or REPAIR of the damaged area and reapplication to the cleaned or repaired material without charge to the vehicle owner. If stains are caused by dyes or bleaches, the remedy is limited to professional dyeing of the carpet or upholstery. EXTERIOR PAINT (New vehicles: 7 years/RENEWABLE FOR LIFE) “. . . against damage by FADING, chalking or LOSS OF GLOSS resulting from ESPOSURE TO THE SUN, weather-induced ACID RAIN, TREE SAP or BIRD DROPPINGS . . . ECP will PAY FOR REPAIR of the damaged portion of the vehicle.” So WHY did I personally elect to get the exterior paint and interior leather protection package (because tallman1 thinks I'm not "savvy"?) There are many reasons, but particularly because this vehicle will NOT be parked in a covered garage (UV damage to the paint). Instead, it will be parked in an open driveway surrounded by trees (and tree sap) which birds love to sit in and do their business as they fly over the car. Inside the car will be eating and spilling and my girl friends makeup all over the upholstery (let’s not forget the lubricants . AND GUESS WHAT? The P&L protection increases the resale value of my car and will save me a ton of money on exterior paint damage repairs and interior cleaning repairs (not to mention fewer detailing jobs). I'm certain I'll have to put in a claim or two and it will pay for itself all over again and again.
    FINAL ITEM (this one's for my favorite buddy: Mattgg 1): Addressing those comments above about “I COULD GET THAT OPTION CHEAPER SOMEWHERE ELSE AND INSTALL IT MYSELF” (i.e. wheel locks, etc.). Get your tools (which cost money) and use up your time (MY time is money) and RISK screwing up a 30K car investment (or advise some else to screw up their investment) by UNPROFESSIONALY installing a rear wing spoiler (or even a simple cargo net) or anything else that suits you. But, when I pick up MY car, it will ALL BE DONE and done perfectly and professionally. HERES THE KICKER: I WILL ALSO HAVE A MANUFACTURERS WARRANTY THAT COVERS EVERY SINGLE OPTION PUT ON MY VEHICLE BY THE DEALER. You however, and your DO-IT-YOURSELF buddies will have Diddly for a warranty! Dang, that caffeine’s got a good kick to it. Don’t it?
    Many thanks to those of you (past and future) who made very clear “positive” comments about my detailed post. I hope to have helped others save money too.
    Bye for now
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    Wow.... read my post again. I said ALL comments were helpful. That includes yours. I'm glad you are happy with your price. I'm glad you are happy with the protection package. Just because I've never heard anyone say anything positive about it doesn't mean it won't be good for you. Lighten up.
  • This may/may not help. The lowest price that I was quoted in the San Francisco Bay Area, after very easy negotiation, was 16000 for the VP AT, which I bought. This included destination but not TTL.
  • I can do either. I was hoping cash would make it easier.

    RS
  • mattgg1mattgg1 Posts: 191
    Ballroomdancer –

    I’m truly amazed at how personally you’ve taken a few posts on a Priced Paid forum. Just because I have a differing opinion doesn’t mean I’m personally attacking your integrity. Lighten up.

    You describe how you paid “a combined total price of $1,637.76 OVER the INVOICE PRICE for ALL of the following options.” Which by your calculation, works out to “about $163 PER OPTION.”

    However, you are using the invoice price as a baseline. But as you can see by the many posts in this forum, buying an Accord for $1000-$2000 UNDER invoice has become easily achievable.

    Let’s assume that $1500 under invoice is a normal/average selling price for a new Accord with no options. This means that you paid $3137.67 MORE than the reasonable selling price ($1500 under invoice) for your vehicle, including all of the options.

    So divide the $3137.76 by the ten options on your car, and you come up with $314 PER OPTION. That is a lot of money per add-on, especially considering that a few of the options you selected have questionable (if any) value.

    With regard to the dealer mop & glow, if you are happy with it, then that’s all that matters. From your post, it sounds like you agreed with everything the dealer said in their generic Vehicle Protection Package sales pitch (“increased resale value” really made me laugh). However, if you took a poll of all the educated buyers on this web site, VERY FEW would claim that this protection is a good value at any price.

    As I mentioned before, you would get the same or better protection using aftermarket products at a much lower cost. And your protection package is NOT a substitute for washing/cleaning/detailing the car yourself to keep it looking good. The warranty only covers “DAMAGE”, they won’t detail your car or clean out the french fries/crumbs/makeup you plan on spilling. It’s hard to imagine you will save “a ton of money” on “cleaning repairs” unless you plan on really trashing your car.

    About the options…if you don’t want to buy them online and install them yourself, you could either 1) have someone else do it for a nominal fee, or 2) use those prices to negotiate with the dealer and make them drastically cut the huge markup on these options.

    Secondly, accessories ordered online do indeed come with a Honda warranty…”All of the genuine Honda accessories we sell are covered by Honda's 12 month/12,000 mile warranty against defects.”
  • carquote1carquote1 Posts: 20
    On that note....Does anyone know where I can get a list of prices or can some one post what accessories should cost at a reasonable price. I have seen the prices on the accessory websites, but what prices be had at the dealership with the required installation.I am interested in the auto dimming mirror w/ compass, the outside temperature gauge, all season mats, body side trim, wheel lock, and cargo net. If anyone knows what these have or should be going for I would appreciate it.
  • jcash2dsjcash2ds Posts: 29
    I’m truly amazed at how personally you’ve taken a few posts on a Priced Paid forum. Just because I have a differing opinion doesn’t mean I’m personally attacking your integrity. Lighten up.

    However, you are using the invoice price as a baseline. But as you can see by the many posts in this forum, buying an Accord for $1000-$2000 UNDER invoice has become easily achievable.

    Let’s assume that $1500 under invoice is a normal/average selling price for a new Accord with no options. This means that you paid $3137.67 MORE than the reasonable selling price ($1500 under invoice) for your vehicle, including all of the options.


    It seems that your "differing opinion" is translating to "you made a mistake. You paid TOO much." You may not be attacking his integrity (like he gives a flip), but you are in fact criticizing his method of purchasing a car, which has already been paid for and he cannot change that. You are doing no help to him or to others by belittling his purchase strategy or the amount he paid.
    If he has enough dough to pay cash for a 30k car, why in the world would he go to the trouble of installing 3-400 dollar accessories when he could just pay for it, unless he really enjoys doing it himself? Just because he felt comfortable paying for a certified technician to properly install, inspect, and guarantee the options, doesn't mean he made a bad deal. Could he have done better? Possibly.. but -->

    You cannot insinuate that 1500 below invoice is the norm for everyone who looks at an Accord. Sure, many and most people are getting around that range, but keep in mind those few dealers who are NOT going well below invoice. It varies with region and even within salesmen. It's a little biased to use Invoice-1500 as a starting point. Besides, did you buy it 1500 under? ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    It seems that your "differing opinion" is translating to "you made a mistake. You paid TOO much." You may not be attacking his integrity (like he gives a flip), but you are in fact criticizing his method of purchasing a car, which has already been paid for and he cannot change that. You are doing no help to him or to others by belittling his purchase strategy or the amount he paid.

    Well, in a way, it WILL help others learn to negotiate each part of the deal to avoid being "taken" by a dealer. It is the same reason you don't mention a trade in before negotiating the sale price of the car. The same principle applies here, that some people may have never thought of previously, and mattgg1 brought that up, which unfortunately and coincidentally, made it look like ballroomdancer or whatever the name is got a bad deal.

    Personally, I don't think it was a good deal, and that is just one moderately educated opinion. His deal is done, however. What we CAN do is talk about the methods for purchasing, as opposed to getting in a frenzy about one person's deal. Better yet, take these types of conversations to the "Smart Shoppers" board, which a host will be happy to link you to. ***NOTICE: This was not meant to be offensive personally to anyone, anywhere. :sick: ***
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,059
    Let's move on..

    Thanks!

    MODERATOR
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  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    I just want to know if they threw in some tail fins at cost on that deal.
  • cjamaalecjamaale Posts: 8
    And I would like to get some pricing on the following accessories as well:

    EX Sport Package (includes Rear Wing Spoiler, Auto Day/Night Rearview Mirror w/ Compass, and Foglamps)

    IPOD Music Link

    I am looking @ Honda EX-L V-6 MT w/Navigation, so I know I need to be between $1,000 - $2,000 below invoice, but need to know how much I should pay for the above accessories. I hear the Music Link is crap, but the EX Sport Package is for sure, so any help would be appreciated.
  • cjamaalecjamaale Posts: 8
    Does anyone recall if there has been any better deals on the Sedan EX-L V6 6MT w/Navigation? And does one think that they are offering deeper discounts on the Auto vs. the 6MT, just due to actual volume?

    #14437 I bought EX V6 6MT sedan w Nav yesterday for $25k + $50 doc and tax/dmv.
  • Which dealership in the San Francisco Bay Area did you buy your car at? I'm also in the SF Bay Area and I'm also looking for a new Honda Accord. Thanks for your help!
  • tallman1tallman1 Posts: 1,874
    And does one think that they are offering deeper discounts on the Auto vs. the 6MT, just due to actual volume?

    It really depends on what the dealer has on the lot... or what's coming in. I don't know how rare the manuals are.... you won't see as many as the autos so you may do better with them. However, do a little looking around.... and you may not want to lock yourself into just one color.

    I'm a stick guy so I'd be willing to accept a deal with less of a discount to get what I want. But that's me. ;)
  • San Francisco Honda.
  • cjamaalecjamaale Posts: 8
    Does one know what one should pay for a new leftover 06 Sedan EX-L V6 6MT w/Navigation?
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    Look up the price of a used 06 with 0miles on kbb.com or nada.com, edmunds.com. Add about $1000-2000 or so. Thats the price you want to pay. Compare that to the price of an 07 at 1000 or 2000 under invoice. The car is going on 2 years old.

    --jjf

    Does one know what one should pay for a new leftover 06 Sedan EX-L V6 6MT w/Navigation?
  • [mattgg1] SAID: I’m truly amazed at how personally you’ve taken a few posts on a Priced Paid forum. Just because I have a differing opinion does not’t mean I’m personally attacking your integrity. Lighten up.

    Ballroomdancer says: MANY THANKS TO jcash2ds #14664 FOR APPROPRIATELY RESPONDING TO THE ABOVE COMMENT[mattgg1] BY SAYING "It seems that your "differing opinion" is translating to "you made a mistake. You paid TOO much." You may not be attacking his integrity (like he gives a flip), but you are in fact criticizing his method of purchasing a car, which has already been paid for and he cannot change that. You are doing no help to him or to others by belittling his purchase strategy or the amount he paid.
    If he has enough dough to pay cash for a 30k car, why in the world would he go to the trouble of installing 3-400 dollar accessories when he could just pay for it, unless he really enjoys doing it himself? Just because he felt comfortable paying for a certified technician to properly install, inspect, and guarantee the options, doesn't mean he made a bad deal. Could he have done better? Possibly.. but -->
    “It varies with region and even within salesmen. It's a little biased to use Invoice-1500 as a starting point. Besides, did you buy it 1500 under?”
    YOUR COMMENTS WERE RIGHT ON THE MONEY jcash2ds AND I SINCERELY APPRECIATED IT!

    [mattgg1] SAID: However, you are using the invoice price as a baseline. But as you can see by the many posts in this forum, buying an Accord for $1000-$2000 UNDER invoice has become easily achievable.

    Ballroomdancer says: SORRY, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYWHERE IN THIS FORUM THAT THIS IS A CONSISTENT, COMMON EVERY DAY “easily achievable” EXPERIENCE (i.e. buying an Accord for $1000-$2000 UNDER invoice)! PLEASE AND THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME. HOWEVER, I DO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS (AND MANY TIMES NOT GETTING ANSWERS) WHICH COINCIDENTALLY HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE I RECENTLY BOUGHT MY CAR. I WOULD HAVE RATHER SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE GIVING DETAILED FACTS (PRICING, ETC.) ABOUT THEIR PURCHASE OF A VEHICLE (WHICH IS WHAT I THOUGHT THIS FORUM WAS ALL ABOUT). THEN, WHEN I ACTUALLY POSTED MY BUYING EXPERIENCE IT TURNED OUT TO BE THE “YOU PAID WAY TOO MUCH” FORUM (compliments of mattgg1).

    [mattgg1] SAID: Let’s assume that $1500 under invoice is a normal/average selling price for a new Accord with no options. This means that you paid $3137.67 MORE than the reasonable selling price ($1500 under invoice) for your vehicle, including all of the options.

    Ballroomdancer says: I PREFER TO CORRECTLY ASSUME THAT $1500 UNDER INVOICE IS NOT A “normal/average selling price for a new Accord with no options” BY ALSO INCLUDING THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY PURCHASE THIS IDENTICAL VEHICLE (2007 Honda EX-L V-6 AT with Navigation) EXCLUDING ONLY THOSE FEW WHO MAY HAVE ACTUALLY COME INTO THIS FORUM AND SAID SO (which I personally have been unable to find). I THINK IT WOULD BE A MORE ACCURATE ASSUMPTION TO SAY “that $1500 under invoice is (NOT) a normal/average selling price for a new Accord with no options” WHEN ALSO INCLUDING ALL THE INDIVIDUALS OUTSIDE THIS FORUM WHO PURCHASE HUNDREDS OF THIS IDENTICAL VEHICLE EVERY DAY.

    [mattgg1] SAID: So divide the $3137.76 by the ten options on your car, and you come up with $314 PER OPTION. That is a lot of money per add-on . .

    Ballroomdancer says: IS THE GLASS HALF FULL OR HALF EMPTY? THE DEFINITION OF “a lot of money” IS RELATIVE TO YOUR PERSONAL MECHANICAL SKILLS, THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU HAVE TO SHOP AROUND FOR “ADD ON PARTS” AND YOUR PERSONAL FINANCIAL RESOURCES. I’M NOT ONE TO SPEND SEVERAL DAYS LOOKING FOR ALL THE TOOLS AND PARTS I NEED AND THEN PERSONALLY WORKING AT INSTALLING THEM ON MY CAR (OR MAYBE NEVER) FOR ANOTHER SEVERAL DAYS TO SAVE A COUPLE OF BUCKS. ALSO, NO MANUFACTURER OF ANY “ADD ON PART” IS GOING TO GUARANTEE HIS PART AGAINST FAULTY OR IMPROPER INSTALLATION FOR THREE YEARS. EVERYTHING IS ALREADY ON THE CAR AND PROPERLY INSTALLED WITH A THREE YEAR DEALER WARRANTY THE MOMENT I DRIVE IT OFF THE DEALER LOT (Yahoooo! We’re all ready to Rock and Roll!).

    [mattgg1] SAID: “. . . especially considering that a few of the options you selected have questionable (if any) value”.

    Ballroomdancer says: WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS LITTLE OR NO VALUE “(if any)” TO A DEALER PROVIDED OPTION (OR OTHERWISE) IS DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL TO THE NEED OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS ACTUALLY PURCHASING THE VEHICLE. If I want a gold Honda insignia then that is my choice because I value it. To hear someone else say that my gold Honda insignia is of “questionable value” is . . . well, just being unkind! THANK YOU BUT THIS IS NOT THE “few of the options you selected have questionable (if any) value” FORUM! Please don’t take it personally!

    [mattgg1] SAID: With regard to the dealer mop & glow, if you are happy with it, then that’s all that matters. From your post, it sounds like you agreed with everything the dealer said in their generic Vehicle Protection Package sales pitch (“increased resale value” really made me laugh). However, if you took a poll of all the educated buyers on this web site, VERY FEW would claim that this protection is a good value at any price.

    Ballroomdancer says: HAPPY TO AMUSE YOU mattgg1. “PROTECTING” ANY VEHICLE INVESTMENT IN ANY WAY, DOES INDEED ADD TO IT’S RESALE VALUE. THE PAINT AND LEATHER PROTECTION IS GOOD FOR SEVEN (7) YEARS AND PROVIDES A LIFETIME RENEWABLE WARRANTY. PLEASE, HAVE FUN TAKING YOUR POLL AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE “INFORMED” (BY ACTUALLY READING THE P&L CERTIFICATES). YOU MIGHT WANT TO BRING YOURSELF UP TO DATE AS WELL. BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES REPAIRS TO THE VEHICLE (SEE MORE BELOW).

    [mattgg1] SAID: As I mentioned before, you would get the same or better protection using aftermarket products at a much lower cost. And your protection package is NOT a substitute for washing/cleaning/detailing the car yourself to keep it looking good. The warranty only covers “DAMAGE”, they won’t detail your car or clean out the french fries/crumbs/makeup you plan on spilling. It’s hard to imagine you will save “a ton of money” on “cleaning repairs” unless you plan on really trashing your car.

    Ballroomdancer says: I DID NOT SAY IT WAS A “SUBSTITUTE” FOR
    WASHING/CLEANING/DETAILING THE CAR. BUT I DID SAY “it would more than pay for itself if the Paint and Leather PROTECTION prevented me from paying for just two additional “detailing” jobs over the life of the car. NOT ONLY DID YOU TAKE MY MEANING OUT OF CONTEXT BUT YOU CONVENIENTLY SKIPPED OVER THE SAVING MONEY ON “REPAIRS” TO THE EXTERIOR PAINT OR INTERIOR LEATHER. REPAIRS COST MONEY TOO! THE REPAIRS WOULD BE PROVIDED BY THE DEALER (AT NO ADDITIONAL COST TO ME) UNLESS OF COURSE, I DID AS YOU SUGGESTED mattgg1 AND PURCHASED “aftermarket products at a much lower cost” AND WENT TO ALL THE TROUBLE AND AGGRAVATION TO APPLY IT MYSELF. BUT THEN I WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PUT IN SEVERAL HOURS DOING IT WITH THE “PROPER APPLICATORS”, ETC. (ACCOR
  • (ACCORDING TO THE MANUFACTURERS INSTRUCTIONS) JUST TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS I WOULD THEN TRULY END UP WITH NOTHING BUT A BONIFIED AND CERTIFIED “MOP AND GLO”. I WOULD ALSO HAVE TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN AT REGULAR INTERVALS. WHEREAS THIS WAY I TRULY HAVE SOMETHING OF VALUE THAT WILL PROTECT MY CAR AS WELL AS PAY FOR ANY FUTURE REPAIRS TO THE EXTERIOR PAINT OR INTERIOR LEATHER FOR THE LIFETIME OF THE VEHICLE (PROVIDED IT IS PROFESSIONALLY INSTALLED BY MY LOCAL DEALER). I PLAN ON KEEPING THIS CAR FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS. I’VE SEEN A LOT HAPPEN TO THE EXTERIOR PAINT AND INTERIOR LEATHER OF A VEHICLE IN TEN YEARS. ESPECIALLY ONE THAT IS ALWAYS PARKED OUTSIDE. I WON’T HAVE TO WAX IT (just wash it) OR APPLY ANY ADDITIONAL EXTERIOR OR INTERIOR PROTECTOR TO THE VEHICLE FOR THAT ENTIRE TIME. AND I GOT IT ALL FOR A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS.

    [mattgg1] SAID: About the options…if you don’t want to buy them online and install them yourself, you could either 1) have someone else do it for a nominal fee, or 2) use those prices to negotiate with the dealer and make them drastically cut the huge markup on these options.

    Ballroomdancer says: I DON’T KNOW WHAT PLANET YOU LIVE ON BUT YOU’RE NOT GOING TO GET THE SAME PRICE FROM THE DEALER AS YOU’RE GOING TO GET FROM THE UNSUSPECTING HIGH SCHOOL KID (FRESH OUT HIS AUTO SHOP CLASS) OR A GUY WORKING OUT OF HIS BASEMENT OR GARAGE. NEITHER ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE SAME SKILLED PROFESSIONAL INSTALLATION. IF YOUR GUY SCRATCHES OR DAMAGES OR SCREWS UP YOUR “ONLINE” PART (the spoiler he was installing, etc.) OR ANY PORTION OF THE VEHICLE ITSELF (Oops! WHILE INSTALLING THE OPTIONS) IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM IS HE GOING TO “PAY FOR A NEW PART” OR WILL HE DO A PROFESSIONAL REPAINT (IF NEEDED AFTER THE SCREW UP) OR DO REPAIRS TO THE VEHICLE ITSELF THAT WON’T VOID YOUR (already in place) DEALER WARRANTY ON THE REST OF THE VEHICLE? I THINK NOT! AND IF HE DOES TRY TO FIX HIS SCREW UP DO YOU THINK HE HAS THE TRAINING AND RESOURCES (SKILL AND TOOLS) TO TAKE CARE OF IT PROFESSIONALLY AND THEN STAND BEHIND HIS WORK FOR THREE YEARS (LIKE THE DEALER)? PROBABLY NOT!

    [mattgg1] SAID: Secondly, accessories ordered online do indeed come with a Honda warranty…”All of the genuine Honda accessories we sell are covered by Honda's 12 month/12,000 mile warranty.

    Ballroomdancer says: YOUR ONLINE ACCESORIES DO NOT COME WITH A “THREE YEAR DEALER INSTALLED WARRANTY”. YOUR ONLINE ACCESSORIES ARE NOT GUARANTEED AGAINST FAULTY OR IMPROPER INSTALLATION. YOUR ONLINE ACCESSORIES REQUIRE AN ASSORTMENT OF ADDITIONAL TOOLS AND A LOT OF PERSONAL TIME TO INSTALL. YOUR ONLINE ACCESSORIES WOULD COST ME A LOT MORE TIME, MONEY AND AGGRAVATION IN THE LONG RUN. MOST OF YOUR ONLINE ACCESSORIES ARE PROBABLY STILL SITTING ON THE SHELVES OF A LOT OF CAR OWNERS HOMES RIGHT NOW WHO THOUGHT THEY WOULD SAVE A FEW BUCKS BUT REALIZED LATER THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE THE TIME, TOOLS OR SKILL LEVEL TO TACKLE THE JOB. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY SPENT MORE MONEY AND WENT WITHOUT IT IN THE END.

    [mattgg1] SAID: “All of the genuine Honda accessories WE SELL . . .

    Ballroomdancer says: AHHH, FINALLY WE GET TO GROUND ZERO! NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE SO CRITICAL OF ANY ONE IN THIS “Priced Paid forum” WHO WOULD PAY MONEY TO THE DEALER TO INSTALL ANY OPTION AND/OR ACCESSORY (AT ANY PRICE!).
    YOU WOULD RATHER THEY BUY THEIR ADD ON PARTS FROM YOU!
    BUT, HEY! YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO THE INSTALLATION. YOU DON’T HAVE TO SPEND YOUR TIME SHOPPING AROUND TO FIND SOMEONE QUALIFIED ENOUGH TO DO THE INSTALLATION WHO WILL WARRANT IT. YOU DON’T HAVE TO BUY THE TOOLS OR ANY ADDITIONAL APPLICATION OR INSTALLATION ACCESSORIES. YOU DON’T HAVE TO TAKE THE RISK OF SOMEONE ELSE SCREWING UP THE INSTALLATION. YOU SAY NOTHING ABOUT THE THREE YEAR (DEALER PROVIDED) INSTALLATION WARRANTY THAT DOES NOT COME WITH THE ONLINE PARTS YOU SELL. ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS SELLING OTHER PEOPLE ONLINE PARTS WHICH WILL COST THEM MORE TIME AND MORE AGGRAVATION TO INSTALL IT THEMSELVES OR EVENTUALLY JUST END UP LETTING THE ONLINE PART SIT ON THEIR SHELF AT HOME. WHAT DO YOU CARE, YOU MADE YOUR MONEY, RIGHT? WELL, LET’S NOT PUT A PRICE ON THAT SHALL WE? YOU JUST KEEP TELLING THE OTHER GUY THAT HE’S PAYING TOO MUCH TO HAVE IT INSTALLED BY THE DEALER (AT ANY PRICE) SO HE’LL GET STUPID ENOUGH TO BUY THE PARTS FROM YOU. I’LL BET THAT YOU DO YOUR BEST BUSINESS WITH THE MOP AND GLO PRODUCTS! I’LL EVEN BET THAT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PRODUCTS (you sell) ARE STILL SITTING ON SHELVES IN THE HOMES OF MANY A CAR BUYER, UNOPENED, NEVER HAVING BEEN APPLIED TO THE CAR. PERSONALLY I THINK THEY “PAID WAY TOO MUCH” (quoting mattgg1)

    PLEASE DON’T TAKE ANYTHING I SAID PERSONALLY :)

    IT’S BEEN FUN!
  • I see your question was directed to mattgg1 and he did not respond. I will be glad to help you out.
    On the left side are the actual dollar amounts placed into my recent purchase order by the dealer at the time of purchase. Whether you think they are reasonable or not is beside the point. I suggest you negotiate the bottom line price of the car (with the ALL the options you want included) rather than try to negotiate each and every option (don't worry about the price of each option because they can charge whatever they want or give it away for free if they want). Just negotiate your overall price as close to (or under) the INVOICE price as you possibly can WITH THE OPTIONS INCLUDED. However they want to juggle the numbers to give you your bottom line price is of no consequence. Good luck! Come back and let us know what the dealer listed and don't let someone in this forum tell you that you paid too much or that the option you selected has questionable value. Only you can decide that for yourself. Happy Car Buying
    $138 Splash Guards
    $ 76 Wheel Locks
    $125 Pinstripe
    $399 Paint Matched Moldings
    $587 Rear Wing Spoiler
    $440 Fog Lights
    $ 97 Hood Switch Kit
    $ 61 Cargo Net
    $980 Eight year Extended Honda Care Warranty
    $300 Paint and Leather Protection Package
  • Nope, not an attorney, but thanks for asking. I listed all those options for two reasons. First, I personally wanted to know what I was buying. I used it as a reference guide when sitting in the vehicle to personally identify all the standard options listed. Second, I wanted THEM to know that I knew what I was doing and what I was buying (strong impression). You would be surprised at the number of salesman I talked to who weren't sure what was standard on an EX-L and what wasn't. They would have to go back and check their source information some of them were so confused. Some salesman would tell me "it was standard" and other would tell me "it was optional" depending on which car they showed to me. No one car on the lot had all the options I wanted on it. Some EX-L features were listed as "AVAILABLE" like the Navigation, V-6, Automatic Transmission. In the very beginning it's helpful to spell it out for yourself. After awhile you know it by heart. I faxed it to everyone I made internet contact with so that I didn't have to keep repeating what I wanted on the car. They were also much more inclined to give me a better price seeing that I knew what I was doing and had obviously talked to other dealerships.
    Hope this helps
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