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well, heck if only 10% are imported, then MOST are built here, not just "some."
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
That certainly did come out wrong!! I really meant only those Honda models!!
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Rocky
Rocky
Countries without unions, much like the US in 1900, tend to be Third World countries. Not saying unions are necessary once a country has made it to First Worldom, but they seem to be an important step in getting there (based on history... not on theory).
You use the term fair salary. What is a "fair" salary for assembling a car? Is is what it costs GM at about $87/hr with wages and benefits? I am not so sure!
I would use the terms excessive, exorbitant, extortionate.
Of course, until the non-union competition came along, GM was not the one getting extorted, it was the American car buying public. I would love to see the UAW go on strike. What will happen? They have no bargaining power any more.
Rocky
Rocky
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Holland, Michigan is a very industrialized small city. The major corporations are Johnson Controls, Herman Miller, Home of the Great Gentex Corporation, Donnelly, Haworth, Transmatic, and many others. Lost Life Savers a few years ago, and lost General Electric in the 80's.
Holland, still remains a industrial home of big buisness, even though our economy up there took a dive.
Rocky
But you are right, the TL is the only US built Acura.
I guess so. the list is not clear on that.
Do "buy American" advocates support the sales of GM products in other countries?
Do "buy American" advocates support the sales of GM products in other countries?
I believe at this time that GM does not export any cars into China and Korea, at least not from the US.
"Buy American" advocates do not get a chance to support exporting since I soubt if many cars are exported to those countries. I know we export about 800 cars a year to Japan and also to Europe and the middle east.
Found these tidbits on Honda's website:
*In 2004, Honda purchased more than $13.6 billion in North American parts and materials.
*Since 1982, the number of Honda's U.S. suppliers has increased from 40 to more than 550.
*In 2004, Honda's United States factories assembled 803,000 vehicles, 1.2 million vehicle engines, 1.26 million general purpose engines, 300,000 power equipment products and 389,000 motorcycles, personal watercraft and ATVs.
*Honda's Ohio engine plant is the largest Honda engine plant in the world, producing more than 1 million engines per year.
*Established in 1975, Honda R&D Americas designs and engineers new models that are currently produced in the United States, such as the Honda Civic Coupe, Pilot and Element, as well as the Acura TL.
*Honda exported United States-assembled products to 81 countries worldwide in 2004.
*More than 17 million products have been assembled by Honda in the United States during the past 25 years.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Many Hondas are built here in Canada but Canadians still consider them an import (mainly because they may not know they are built here).
You get many GM, Ford, Chrysler products built exclusively on either side of the border, and have been for years.
Actually my second question concerns locally built cars under a foreign nameplate. Like the Buicks in China, and the Opels/Vauxhalls and Fords built in Europe. If I'm not supposed to buy a Toyota built in my hometown, then I'd feel betrayed by Ford selling a European-built Focus in Europe.
Not sure what your are asking but it looks like the Accord, TL and Civic are made in the US in very high quantities. All other Acura's/Honda's are made outside of the US.
Not sure what you are getting at but the China Buicks are built and sourced in China. Most China Buicks are designed and developed in China now. the Chinese did use the LaCrosse body drawings to make their own tools and make their own parts. However they redesigned the entire interior and fascias.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I will try again on US sales:
Imported to US: NSX, RL, RSX, TSX, Accord Hybrid, some Accords, Civic Hybrid, 10% of Civics,FSX, Insight, S2000, CR-V
Built in US: TL, MDX, almost all Accords, 90% of Civics, Element, Odyssy, Pilot, Ridgeline
For 2005 thru November
American built Hondas:1,000,000. Imported:260,000
250,000 Elements and Pilots thru November
Rocky
Will it work? Should other manufacturers follow this example?
It sounds good.
Sounds like an ideal set up?
I also recently read Mitsubishi and UAW signed a 3 year contract(late 05). Do not know if it is like GEMA set up or not?
This way GM can cut it's hourly work force by 80%
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
35% of the UAW is not college educated.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Someone said that maybe this is what GM should do. I said that they would probably basically have no workforce ldft because few are college educated. Sorry for the confusion.
Oh - my - Gawd.! ....... where do you get this stuff...? ..l.o.l....
.. whatever you're taking, please get me two of ....
Terry.
.. whatever you're taking, please get me two of ....
What are you talking about Terry. The Toyota workforce in Japan isn't unionized and I'm a liar ?????
I'd wish you'd give me "two" minutes and look it up and prove me wrong.
Rocky
A liar.? .. no.! .... very misinformed.? - you betcha.!
Terry.
On ?
Rocky
Thanks!
What about it, Shiftright-the french seem to be able to retain a viable domestic assembly business..I'd hate see the USA imnporting everything!
So how many cars can we build here and export to China?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
But French cars have always had a couple of things going for them. They look like nothing else out there, for one. Equally importantly, each brand is class-leading in at least one other thing. Citroen is one of the best at comfort without wallowiness. Peugeot has handling down, without the jitteriness. Renault, lately, is known for the safest small cars.
When you're the best at two things, people will forgive you for something else. Since they don't drive as many miles as we do, they're willing to sacrifice reliability for style and good dynamics.
That particular combination wouldn't work here - we need our cars to run every day - but my point stands. The success of French cars is in knowing what priorities French drivers have, and being the best (not just "pretty good") in those aspects.
Terry.
Rocky
Rocky
Rocky
believer
Back in the 1960's, the UAW was always going on strike, I assume for higher wages.
GM, Ford, and Chrysler offered the UAW small wage increases but 'promised' them a great retirement package and great health care benefits. These promises cost the manufactures nothing at the time, but it made the UAW temporarily happy.
This Ponzi scheme is now collapsing from its own weight. The manufactures can't afford to keep their promises.
So what is the solution? It's simple. GM goes bankrupt and liquidates. They sell their manufacturing plants to a new company called Bobst Motors, who owes nothing to the GM retirees. Then Bobst can produce new cars for a cheap price and be very competitive.
Bobst's workers are happy, the consumers are happy, and the economy goes sailing along.