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A good heads up, and I'm glad all turned out safely. At lease the steering wheel didn't lock up (at lease I assume it didnt). I have a manual transmission and I will always have to be ready to neutral and restart when I have a wayward passenger on the longer trips.
Steve
Thanks and regards, Peter
I looked at these cars back in 99 and held out right to the end of the model year. Even when our local dealer was down to two cars, incentive in December of 99 was about $4,000. I bought a Volvo.
I find you need to be careful with Saab in Canada. First of all they are marketed through Saturn, Isuzu dealers who have a 'posted price is what you pay' philosophy. Also, if you wait too long for bigger incentives at year end, selection here gets very limited. If your not picky on colour, equipment etc you may be able to hold out.
I selected a black, 5 speed with leather and sunroof. Apparently, there were only about 7 left in Canada with 5 speed, leather, sunroof combination. The dealer in Calgary had mine shipped in from Montreal. This was early August.
Steve
Let me know if this performs as stated ( I guess it makes the engine equivelent to the 2001)
SG
Does anyone know if you get the $1000 SAAB loyalty rebate in addition to the $5000 certificate? How about the 0% GM financing offer?
don't do two tone or leather and suede mixed. The
new Audi seats that are available like that look a
bit tacky and flashy.<
I agree with that - Saab did have a Suede/ Leather combination on and early 90's 9000 Griffin Edition. I discovered them when I was shopping for my first Saab (used). They did not wear well at all, at least not on the car I looked at. The Suede wore very poorly. So I'd think Saab will avoid that concept after the experiment.
Good point on the Side Air bags and the Old Aero seats. I didn't think about it but those seats - great as they were- would likely not match well with a side bag feature. I'm probably complaining more than needed about the current seats. Most people who have written reviews of the 9-5 seem to like them. Maybe I'm just built more awkwardly than others. Hmm, Volvo front seats are very comfortable for me - Maybe I'm built like a Volvo owner. How depressing.
Drew
Don't know about the other things. Ask you dealer.
Does this jive with what others are being told or are they making up a hybrid deal? Thanks.
Why is it that used 2001 9-5 v6's have lower prices than used 2001 9-5 4 cylinder ones.
Having owned only japanese brands previously, my biggest worry with the Saab is its reliability and maintenance.
What are the previous owners experiences with SAAB reliability and maintenance. And how does the cost of routine maintenance (oil changes, etc.)fare compared to other cars. Also since the 9-5 SE has a GM based v6, does that mean GM
designed it, or is it a SAAB creation. I'm worried that GM's hand might spell doom on traditional SAAB quality, kinda like what Ford did with Jaguar S-Type!!
I had a '96 Max and a '97 Infiniti before my current '00 9-5. If your priority is reliability, low maintenance costs, and appliance-like motoring, stick with Nissan.
However, if you want superior driving dynamics, world-class safety and a unique vehicle that stands out without being freakish, then Saab is a definite option. A completely different world apart from virtually every Asian car.
If you want to make a status statement, don't buy a Saab; stick with the big three image brands. Your friends prolly won't get it - mine didn't.
Unfortunately, you do not buy Saab or any other premium European car for its low cost of ownership. If low service costs are a high priority, stick with the Hondas and Toyotas.
I can't comment on the 6cyl vs 4cyl (mines a 4 cyl). Although I believe the Saab 'purists' prefer the 4 cyl as Saab has been building the 4 cyl turbos for years and they are very tunable for more performance (check out saabnet.com some very informative fellows on there).
Keep in mind that most people, including the car reviewers, don't understand what attracts people to Saab and why Saab has some very loyal owners. Your friend and neighbours defintely don't get it and most of them think I 'lost' it in my middle age.
Steve
01 9.5, 99 V70, 62 Etype
Some options we are looking at are buying out the lease right now (severely upside down), trading in and taking the upside down hit there and rolling the difference into the new financing, or selling it outright.
This is not something we have to do, it is something we WANT to do. We don't want to "rent" this car any more. We love the car and would like to keep it, but my fiancee, who bought the car spur of the moment, feels like she got robbed.
if anyone has any suggestion or have been through similar experiences, please reply.
Thank you
There is also this 0% financing. Since the $5,000 incentive is to the dealer, the consumer can only use it as a bargaining chip, but the good news is that it looks like there is nothing stopping you from also getting the 0%. So you could get the car for $4,000 below invoice, with 0% financing, and the dealer still makes $1,000 on the sale.
I think I may try that.
There is also this 0% financing. Since the $5,000 incentive is to the dealer, the consumer can only use it as a bargaining chip, but the good news is that there is nothing stopping you from also getting the 0%. So you could get the car for $4,000 below invoice, with 0% financing, and the dealer still makes $1,000 on the sale.
I think I may try that.
If you have the money to put down, the savings on buying at 0% interest (essentially a free loan) turns out to be a better deal than the $5k savings off a lease.
The $5,000 that I'm talking about is NOT the lease incentive. It's the $5k that Saab rebates the dealer with. The dealer doesn't have to pass that on to the buyer. But the 0% is directly offered to the buyer. Since the $5,000 is not technically even offered to the buyer, of course you can't combine it with the 0% financing. But the dealer gets the $5,000 on the sale anyway. I'm saying use it to bargain with, so that you can get the car at or below invoice, since the dealer makes money anyway.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Also do a Board Search. There have been specific topics comparing the 9-5 to other cars.
Pat
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This deal seems real good. Any concerns or thoughts from anyone?
The car is so roomy and there is nothing obviously wrong with it. In addition there is no need to put 20% down (i.e. to get 0%) nor do I need to pay for the depreciation that occurs as if going with a 2001 at 1.9%.
I rambled a bit but thoughts are appreciated.
Another point: Put the new tires on the rear and put the old rear tires on the front. Front wheel drive cars need to have fresh rubber on the rears to maintain traction, especially in bad weather. Those who think that the focus should be on front tires while ignoring the rears until they are badly worn are dangeously mistaken.
I second the advice of replacing all four and doing a better job of maintaining them in the future. If you want a well made but affordable tire, I like the Yokohama Avid V4. Also look at the new Dunlop SP Sport A2, Bridgestone RE950, Pirelli P6000 Sport Veloce, and the Toyo Proxes FZ4. All should be under $100.
Good luck.
P.S. I now have 3,000 miles on my 9-5 and am still in love!
Is this only available if you use the OnStar phone service? Can you have a different cell phone service installed?
Frankly, I do not want OnStar, but its a standard feature.
The key is to do it after market. If you ask the dealer to install it for you, the cost will be higher and it will be added to the cost of the car. Ask them for a recommendation and call the guy yourself.
Might also want to check www.roberti.com or saabnet.com -> most of the real saabers hang out at saabnet.com
I was the phone "poster". Don't even try the phone install, its a nightmare. I tried it, called Nokia, called Saab USA, had the mount and wiring installed at $300 and hit a brick wall as far as having someone hook it up to a phone. All the different phones have different connections, and its an electronical mess. My old 9000 came with a Nokia installed in between the seats and it was so convenient, and I really wanted the 9-5 to work the same, but I finally (and West Country Saab in St. Louis) gave up. Plus, I usually don't have the same cell phone for more than two years.
Finally some specialty electronic store said they would do it for $400. I had to stop at $300. Now if there is someone else out there that knows how it can be done, I would appreciate the news. I am off lease in 10 months, and might get another Nine-five or Nine-Three (new one coming out for 2003). So far, this Nine Five has been the best car I have ever owned (out of 14 total, counting the Maverik).
My grandfather loved Mavericks. Well, he loved Falcons and Fords in general and the Maverick was basically an updated Falcon. Anyway, one of the first cars I ever drove as a little boy was a Maverick. Superior to the 9-5 in virtually every way. Especially if it has "3 on the tree".
- - Bret - -
I think I did okay. Any encouraging words regarding the deal I got?
With regards to your deal, I was very much dismayed by the discrepancy in pricing from one dealer to the next. What I did find was that armed with the right (accurate!) information, much of which was obtained right here, I was able to take my price to a dealer.
Have had two concerns, albeit very minor. Water leaks in around the drivers side door and seeps down almost to the dash, soaking the fabric along the way. Has happened in very heavy rain 4 times, and the dealer has re-sealed once. Anyone else with this problem?
Also the middle bolt that holds the door to the body on the drivers side has loosened once. Had a Geo in college and that never happened...
Anyway, looks like Saab has another lifetime customer, the performance and ride and the look have it!
Thanks
I own a 2001 95 wagon, lpt. no problems.
I do know that the 1999 had an ECU recall I believe. The $15.5K price is a steal. Use carfax to check the vehicle. Also, go to saabnet.com - it is the best source on the internet for saab information and feedback from saab fanatics!