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Honda Accord Quality Control Issues



  • ray_h71ray_h71 Posts: 212
    Thanks for the kudos, but I'll demure on "awesome". I just read a lot. I don't have any information on Conoco/Motorcraft's other weight oils. I would take the conservative approach that except for their 5W-20 oil, the other weight oils are probably either Group-I and Group-II blends or Group-II stocks, alone (which would still make 'em very good performers). I'm still breaking my own car (2003 Hyundai Sonata V6, just over 3,000 miles) on SuperTech 10W-30. Somewhere around the 12,000 mile mark, I plan to switch over to Pennzoil 10W-30 dino juice - unless I can verify someone else has a Group-II/Group-III blend conventional at a lower price than WallyWorld's $1.81/qt for Pennzoil. One I'm not sure of is Castrol GTX (gonna hafta do some more reading...).

    As to the controversy about the need for oil filtration:

    1> It's probably a good idea to have ~something~ screwed onto the nipple and sealing the mounting base <snicker>.

    2> There is logic to the notion that oil filtration may be only minimally, if at all, necessary what with factory micro-finished bearing surfaces and the availability of high detergency oils. And, I'm aware that there are very conscientious owners who put 10,000 miles on a filter with no apparent problems - and have the oil analysis numbers to back it up. However, there is the issue of silicon entering as dirt through the air intake system and finding its way into the engine. Some inevitably gets past the air filter. (God's solution to finding a cheap, effective, universal abrasive was a resounding success!) So, for me, an oil filter is one more level of protection against that potential threat. In the end, if I can lay hands on a cheap but reasonably well-made oil filter, I don't consider changing both my oil and oil filter routinely a nettlesome burden. But then, I wear my obsessive-compulsive hat with pride.
  • I have a '03 EX-V6 coupe and the exhaust tips seem to have a brownish stain on them. Its not rust, but is this normal?
  • paulo3paulo3 Posts: 113
    Are the exhaust tips stainless steel?
  • beagles3beagles3 Posts: 132
    My husbands Accord has the dash light in the clock burnt out. The dealer wants $50 + a $5.00 bulb to fix...Is htis easy to replace ourselves?? Our daughter has my 91 Accord with 240,000 mi and never has had to replace dash lights, etc....We have had issues with the passenger door not opening, elec passenger seat breaking,etc....what happened to the quality?
  • Isn't your car covered under warranty? Also, if the warranty has expired, maybe Honda will fix it free as a "goodwill gesture". If you have your car serviced at the same dealership for oil changes and follow the maintenance schedule, the service advisor should go to "bat" for you!
  • beagles3beagles3 Posts: 132's way over warranty at 50,000 +. The dealer did not seem to thrilled about reaching into their pocket:(
  • talon95talon95 Posts: 1,110
    It's a really easy fix. I'm far from being Mr. Goodwrench myself, and I did it a couple of weeks ago on my 2000 EX V6.

    The clock comes out by itself... you merely wrap a cloth around a blade screwdriver and pry up gently under the bottom of the clock. That releases the clips and it comes right out. BTW, they recommend putting a piece of masking tape on the dash under the clock, at the spot where you'll be doing the gentle prying.

    The bulb is removed with a quarter turn of a screwdriver... it's the little flat thing on the passenger end of the clock. The replacement goes in and locks with the opposite 1/4 turn. Then you just slide the clock back in until it clicks. Took me all of 5 minutes. As for the price of the bulb, $5? I just paid around $1.40 at my dealer!

    Illustrated instructions are included as part of the installation instructions for a in-dash CD player... here's the URL:
  • beagles3beagles3 Posts: 132
    Thanks...I really appreciate the help:)
  • tntitantntitan Posts: 306
    Would not Chevron Supreme SL at $1.08 at WallyWorld not fulfill your dino oil requirements?
  • ray_h71ray_h71 Posts: 212
    tntitan, in my opinion, Chevron Supreme would be an excellent choice! So would the newest "Havoline" brand now that Chevron merged with Texaco (actually they bought Texaco out, but "merged" sounds warmer and fuzzier...). If you happen to look for Havoline, check the back of the bottle. If it says "Equilon", it's leftover stock from when Shell was still blending and bottling motor oil under the Havoline banner. A number of posts at "" have been less than enthusiastic about the Equilon "Havoline", and I don't know why. It is an API "SL" designated oil and states that it's blended from Group-II base stocks. Chevron, by the way, has been at the forefront of Group-II and Group-III base stock development in America. They have a huge lube oil facility in Freemont, California cooking Group-II and Group-III base stocks 24/7. Much of what I ~think~ I know about Group-III base stocks came from a "white paper" reprint I downloaded in ".pdf" format from Chevron's website. I saw both Chevron Supreme and the "good" (Chevron-made) Havoline on sale over the weekend at Target for $0.99/qt. Costco carries Chevron Supreme by the case for what translates to about $0.96/qt., too. Once I get the last of the case of SuperTech 10W-30 I have used up, I could easily find a case of Chevron Supreme 10W-30 following me home.
  • ray_h71ray_h71 Posts: 212
    For anyone willing to wade through the techno-babble, here's a link for the downloadable files.

    Also, ChevronTexaco's sprawling lubricating oil base stocks plant is in Richmond, California, not Freemont, as posted above.
  • knapp3knapp3 Posts: 112
    For those of you so inclined to use this weight, this oil is on sale at my local Kmart this week for $1.29 qt. It's had some favorable used oil analysis reports over at Bob's site. Like the other previously mentioned brands, it has some group III oil in it according to the msds. Anyway, just wanted to mention it for those of you who only read the Sunday comics (like me) and not the ads if you wanted to check your local store. :)
  • dholtedholte Posts: 4
    I just purchased a 2003 Accord EX L Sedan. The 6 disc CD player does not work. I didn't think to try it out before I purchased it. The dealer is trying to order a new radio/cd player but it has been 3 weeks now & no word on how much longer it will be backordered. I just wanted to warn everyone out there to be sure and check things out thorougly BEFORE you sign the papers!

    When a CD player is put in the LCD just displays ERR.
  • I just saw this link about a potential problem with the 2003 Honda Accord V-6 and a starting problem:
  • spjdkkspjdkk Posts: 1

    I have a 2001 Honda Accord LX. I have owned nothing but Hondas since 1986. However, this car and I seem to have bad Karma! The transmission broke just after 21,000 miles. There is info. on Honda's home page about this matter.

    I was shocked when the transmission broke, but I got it replaced free. I was greatly inconvenienced because it happened Christmas Eve.

    The dealer was NOT going to offer me a rental car, and had the audacity to tell me I was crazy. They had never had a problem with this vehicle. I showed them the (Not recall, but almost recall) piece on Honda's home page, telling of the possible problem with the transmission on this car, and the Passport and another model. So, when they checked the car out, this crazy woman was right. I don't know what they put in there. It was probably a re-manufactured part, but I have a warranty on the transmission.

    After I called Honda Customer Service, they did get me a rental car. NOW, HOWEVER, the trade-in value of my car is very bad because the new transmission is not part of the original car, and it can not be certified as a used Honda car with the extended warranty. Is this my fault?? Honda offered me a $500 rebate on a new trade-in. However, I owe a million dollars on this car already.

    Now I find out that the seal around the windshield is coming loose. And yes, I do have a strange squeaking noise in my car.

    Last winter, I took it into the garage three times because there was a strange smell that came into the car when the heater was on. The smell had the aroma of anti-freeze. They could find no problem.

    The value of my car is not good.

    Maybe I should call Honda again and ask them if they will give me more on a trade-in.
    Any ideas?

    Anybody have any ideas?

    I was disappointed because Honda is such a reputable car company. They said no company is ever responsible for helping out a victim. Sure, your car is devalued because of our poor quality control, but we don't care, because we make a million dollars, and drive other models, or get a different car to drive every day. Even the maintenance people were creeps. They got a bit nicer once I, the customer, called Honda directly.

    Any comments or ideas would be appreciated.
    Thank You.
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Posts: 4,202
    Have you actually tried to trade the Accord in? Have you taken it to a place like Carmax who will just buy your car?
  • Here are some very interesting statistics:

    1990 thru 2003 Model Cars
    as of MARCH 10, 2003

    It seems as if quality is going down since 1990:

    2003 Model Cars Recalls
    PILOT 1
    2002 Model Cars Recalls
    ACCORD 1
    CIVIC 1
    2001 Model Cars Recalls
    ACCORD 3
    CIVIC 7
    2000 Model Cars Recalls
    ACCORD 10
    CIVIC 5
    CR-V 1
    S2000 5
    1999 Model Cars Recalls
    ACCORD 4
    CIVIC 3
    CR-V 3
    ODYSSEY 10
    1998 Model Cars Recalls
    ACCORD 6
    CIVIC 4
    CR-V 3
    1997 Model Cars Recalls
    ACCORD 5
    CIVIC 3
    CR-V 2
    1996 Model Cars Recalls
    ACCORD 2
    CIVIC 3
    1995 Model Cars Recalls
    ACCORD 2
    1994 Model Cars Recalls
    ACCORD 1
    CIVIC 1
    1993 Model Cars Recalls
    ACCORD 1
    CIVIC 1
    1992 Model Cars Recalls
    ACCORD 1
    CIVIC 1
    1991 Model Cars Recalls
    ACCORD 2
    CIVIC 1
    1990 Model Cars Recalls
    ACCORD 2
    CIVIC 2

    See this link for more information:
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Posts: 4,202
    Recalls aren't necessarily a sign of quality or lack thereof. I had a recall on my 98 Civic for the floor mats. I had a recall on my 99 Accord because some owners manuals were incorrect regarding tire pressure or something. Unless there are an exorbitant amount of recalls (ala Ford Focus) then it doesn't really matter. At least the manufacturer is repairing it on their dime and not yours.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,347
    For anything else and you'll find similar( usually more)recall notices.

    They are usually not a big deal. In the "old days" they didn't even exist.
  • If you research the recalls, some of them were pretty serious such as the transmission problem, balancer shaft gasket seal problem, etc.
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