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but the mileage is.
I'm not certain when the "new" TL is officially released, but I think it's being call an 09, so you may be able to get the existing model for a bargain.
I haven't heard wonderful things regarding the TL mileage in the city; but I think the highway is reasonable
No car in this class has wonderful city mileage.
Well, I guess it's all relative, but my new TSX is getting 30 driving to work and 26 in stop-and-go surface street duty. On a recent drive to Tucson & back, it was at 33-34, and that's with a new, tight engine. I'm looking forward to a couple mpg better by the time I've got 10K on the motor.
Compared to where I'm coming from, that's borderline wonderful.
j/k
Best Regards,
Shipo
Yup.
At least that's how I felt after having one for 2 weeks as a rental. The BMW 3.0TT is the one that eliminates about 99% of the turbo lag. Drive the 2 back to back then you'll understand.
Best Regards,
Shipo
What do you want me to do? Say that I am wrong and apologize?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Okay, I'm guilty. I don't care so much about acceleration, but I do like to go around corners. This is much of why I would have bought a 1.9 or 2.0 litre diesel anytime in the last several years, had one been available in an RWD or AWD car. Now that the 335d BMW is almost available (only with an automatic), I'm nonplussed. Buckets of power doesn't row my boat, especially if the car isn't available with a manual transmission.
It may be interesting to some people that luxury (or something resembling it) and handling doesn't have to come with neck-snapping acceleration to qualify as "entry-level luxury."
YMMV
The good stuff could start arriving as early as later this summer, with the face-lifted 2009 3-series. That car is under consideration for a tii version that, in addition to styling tweaks, would include M3 brakes, nineteen-inch wheels, a sport suspension, a dual-clutch transmission, and increased boost pressure that would bump the output of the 3.0-liter twin-turbo engine from 300 hp to about 355 hp.
Sounds good to me. What do you think?
Regards,
OW
I propose BMW spawn a separate (tii) division that caters to lighter, funner cars; howeber, that would undoubtedly be seen as *gasp* "diluting the brand".
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
I don't know...you guys know better than I. What else is available new at a 135i level of return (to a true enthusiast bent) in the market today? Yes, the argument for past BMW marvels aside, what is comparable today? Sooner or later, the old stands down to the creativity of tomorrow.
Lancer EVO? STI? IS-F? RS-4?
All these are "Super Size Me Please" variants of the past also. Is the 1'er the best of the worst for precision driving dynamics at the end of the day or a last-ditch effort to entice the past audience back into the show?
Regards,
OW
I heartily concur.
"Finally, ditch the inline 6 for a twin turbo 4, and lose another 200-300 lbs. Ah, now you've got a fun sedan at 3100 lbs."
Oops, ya lost me there. Why? Well, several reasons actually:
1) I'm a fan of smooth engines. The I6 that BMW uses is an engine type that is naturally in perfect balance, meanwhile, I4 engines are natural shakers with considerable second order (i.e. twice per revolution) vibrations. Granted, these vibrations can be counteracted with the use of balance shafts, however, said shafts add needless weight and complexity to the engine.
2) like I said, I'm a fan of smooth engines, and in the world of four-stroke engines, unless an engine has at least five cylinders, it becomes a "push-me-pull-you" affair with the engine driving the flywheel and drive train during the power stroke of any one cylinder, and then the drivetrain and flywheel driving the engine between each power stroke. With BMWs I6 engine, not only do you get an engine that is in perfect mechanical balance, but you get one that is always supplying power to the flywheel and drivetrain.
3) While I don't have the actual weights, I'm thinking that the composite metal blocked engine of the 3.0 liter engine in the E90 325i, 328i, and 330i is rather lighter than say Audi's iron blocked 2.0T. With the I6 engine design, all that is needed for vibration free engine is a block, a crank, and six piston/rod assemblies, With a high specific output blown I4, you typically have to cast the block out of lamellar graphite cast iron (GJL). Once you have the block, in addition to the crank and four piston/rod assemblies, you need to add two balance shafts (and the associated drive mechanisms), a turbocharger or two (and necessary plumbing and intercoolers and such), and a heavy flywheel that can help smooth out the torque reversals from the intermittent application of power.
All-in-all, I'm thinking that I'd MUCH rather have a naturally aspirated I6 than a blown I4. ;-)
Best Regards,
Shipo
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
So, how difficult do you think it's going to be to delete the "A"? :shades:
Best Regards,
Shipo
I'm guessing $1500-$2500?
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Lancer EVO? STI? IS-F? RS-4?"
Unfortunately, there's nothing comparable. 3500# is what these cars weigh today. The only current "lightweight" sports car with a backseat that I can think of is the RX-8 (and Porsche 911).
That's why I keep my E30. It's basically a Honda S2000 with a hardtop and backseat.
An inline 6 is better than a 60 degree V6.
Regards,
OW
A discussion of the whys and hows of this balance issue is complex and long winded, and is way too over the top for the purposes of this forum. If you don't believe it, buy yourself a Bosch Automotive Handbook (I have one and it is a phenomenal wealth of information), or you can look at any number of web sites that discuss such things. Here are a few:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_balance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_engine
http://www.vibratesoftware.com/html_help/html/Diagnosis/engine_speed_related.htm- -
Best Regards,
Shipo
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I missed that part of your original message. Never mind, you shouldn't have bought it. :P
I see your point about the straight six, but I still think that a nicely balanced V8 may be smoother running. Most sixes are V6 designs and are not as good.
As I see it, the size of an inline six for any particular vehicle will be limited by how much space is given to the hood length. For the same hood length, a V-engine will take up less space and can therefore be larger than the inline six, for up to 12 cylinders.
What a perfect idea -- make a 335 tii version, claim that there is 55 more hp than the standard engine (when it's actually exactly the same), and charge $5000 more for the 'modification'.
That adds weight as well. And worsens efficiency. So as a result, you can make a smaller I-6 than a V6 and get the same results. So often, you can fit the I-6 in the car as well as a V6.
But GM and Ford never really designed I-6 engines - at least not recently. So they trudge along with their overly complex V engines. BMW and Mercedes started out with inline engines and still use a lot of them.
As for the weight, 3400lbs is just about what my 87 Buick Park Ave weighed. That's hideously bloated for such a small car. It should be closer to 2600lbs.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=124967
Yes, it's a FWD-bias Haldex system - ie garbage.
3800 lbs.
And that legendary saab performance. Oh right, it's a saab...
The 87 Park Avenue was bigger than the current 3-series which is just a heavy.
Regards,
OW
Just because two "contributors" don't like the car, it doesn't mean that we should NOT talk about the Saab here.
AFAIC, the Saab is considered a competitor in this category, and so does just about every other automotive source that's out there. They may not like it, but it's out there, offering similar performance and items/features, for a similar price.
I like the way you think though