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Base MSRP* $46,100.00
• Standard Features
Available Packages $5,265.00
• Navigation System/Mark Levinson® Audio System Package with Additional Options
- Navigation System/Mark Levinson® Audio System Package
- Rain-sensing variable intermittent windshield wipers with mist control, headlamp washers and Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS)
- Intuitive Parking Assist
- Power rear-window sunshade
- Ventilated front seats
- Rear spoiler
Accessory Options $0.00
• Rain-sensing variable intermittent windshield wipers with mist control, headlamp washers and Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS) Included
• Intuitive Parking Assist Included
• Power rear-window sunshade Included
• Ventilated front seats Included
• Rear spoiler Included
Delivery, Processing & Handling Fee† $715.00
Total MSRP** $52,080.00
Why is it the Japanese won't sell everything ala carte? If it's not standard equipment, it should be an option.
Dumb, dumb, dumb pricing model. So a 32k car is really about 39k with afs lights, performance tires and moonroof. Still cheap but good grief!
I guess 37k should be easy then. That's a hair less than a 335i with the features I normally get.
And don't start in with the "well this will have x,y and z". I realize that. Navi, back up screens, etc are pretty worthless to me.
also, what is in the premium package? and so does that mean if I get a regular G35 with auto transmission I cant get a navigation system? Also curious as to what the difference is between a standard G35 and a journey
I wish Lexus and Infiniti would just follow Acura's of making pretty much everything standard and the only options are a nav system and exterior things (spoilers, rims, etc etc) I dont like how Lexus quotes something like starting as low as 31,000 or whatever it is but then you come to find out you can't ever get the IS for that price because you are required to get a package.
Why? So I can pay for, and be stuck with, crap that I don't want, need, or even care for?
One thing I noticed; the sport seats have auto side bolster adjustment on the seat back as well as the lower part of the seat. Will report back after I drive one....
Try "The All-new 306-hp 2007 G Sedan" link at the bottom right hand corner at the Infiniti website (www.infiniti.com).
What are those options exactly?
Acura does (except for a manual tranny option in the TL for 07).
What features would you normally get?
A stripper model 335i sedan with just (Real Leather & Sports Package) costs $42,920.
IMHO, $6,000 isn't a "hair less."
I just priced out a fully loaded 335i sedan and it came out to be $53,865.
CPO
1. Raises the price of used vehicles, which makes new more attractive
2. Raises residual values on new cars, which also makes the NEW vehicle sale more attractive
2a. Because of 2, mfr can keep the MSRP up on new, and may avoid discounts or incentives.
3. When the mfr buys back off-lease cars, they can determine when + where they go back on market, again with an eye towards supporting new car sales.
4. The mfr gets a fee to place a car in the program.
Notice that "saving you money" was not one of the business reason for creating the program. So CPO is useful for vehicles that probably won't ring up non-covered repairs or non-covered annoyances - typically 'Lexus' or Acura'. Any leased vehicle was is less likely to have been well cared for.
Just as an fyi, any company I do business with does not want to "save me money", in fact, they want to extract more money from me.
For example...
Ventilated front seats (heat and cool)
knee airbags (standard on IS)
stardard 13 speakers + subwoofer (G35 has standard of 6 speakers)
Radar cruise
I know for some these are not important options (for me as well, I don't have any of these except the stardard airbags and audio system). However I am just trying to back up my previous statement.
So, I guess I was unintentionally correct, Lexus apparantly does assume folks from Atlanta are unable or unwilling to shop around other regions and, therefore, forces you to buy a $5,000+ package just to get a bloody Nav system. :confuse:
I think I better stop before I get fired up. Lexus may build a reliable luxury car, but deep down I still find they do too many things like this BS crap in Atlanta that remind me of their bush league parent, Toyota. And, with the DC area Toyota dealers like Darcars, Rosenthal and a few others, "bush league" is a compliment. Acura's pricing policy throughout the US is about as straight as they come. I'm pretty sure Infiniti doesn't have a "regional" package pricing strategy. I know BMW and Porsche charge the same price for individual options to everyone in the US and don't insult Southerners' intelligence. So why is it that Lexus is mooning Atlanta buyers with the "take it or leave it, you can only buy it this way" attitude? :confuse:
I know this is BS and I complained to my dealer when I was ordering my IS. My sales told me that if I was willing to wait 4 months then he can special order one for me and I can have whatever I want on it. I told him BS and just choose the basic option (18" wheel and accessories). The only other options that I really want are the ventilated seats and HID lights. But in order to get the ventilated seats I'll have to order the $2000 package with the woodtrims which I don't want and to have the HID I have to get the $4000 package with all the bollognies which some I don't even recognize. :sick:
Luckily so far I am very happy with my IS350.
Things that i demand: 6 speed manual, leather, xenon, sport package, moonroof, swivel headlights (once ya have 'em, ya never wanna leave em), comfort access/keyless go.
I'll give the G35 a spin next year (08 models) as I need to order my next car around Dec 08 if I want to beat the end of my lease.
They bother me.. I always leave the swivel part disabled..
That is just me, though....
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Wow, after just 7 months with swivels, they seem to go with xenons like peanut butter and jelly. I turn, the headlights do the same and I'm as giddy as a nerd before a new star wars movie.
Makes for some fun, illuminating drives in the boonies.
EDIT: I do love the xenons..
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You know I would not come on these boards and lie about pricing.Lexus of Westport in Connecticut was willing to sell me the GS350 AWD on September 30 2006 at around 9:15 am for 44k.I was the first customer that morning and I was attended to after their morning meeting.Take that to the bank LOUIE.
I was interested in the driving dynamics considering the I6 vs. the 4.2L. The Audi does have some extra 300 lbs. but 40 more ponies to compensate.
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OW
76' years old. Well I congratulate you on your longevity pal. I hope many years to follow you pal. I'm almost 28 yrs. old and hope to make it as long as you have "god willing" and hope many good drives in your G35 await you.
Yes the G35 is a nice piece and if the Cadillac CTS, can match what the G35 delivers then GM, will have a helluva a car.
Rocky
The value crowd will eschew these upgrades and still proclaim the G35 "value" king.
If you get this upgrade and you are leasing, I ssume there would be a problem. Does Dinan installed mean the warrantee remains intact? Ice checked out their website but do not recall how this would work.
Best Regards,
OW
2. The chip upgrades I'm seeing are actually chips/systems that piggyback on the existing ecu. You can yank them off before returning the car for warranty work. Again, makes no difference on a lease (assuming you take it off).
I hate choosing and mixing and matching options which is the main reason I never got around to buying a BMW in the first place. Then by the time I could figure out the BMW options the G35 coupe came along and swept me.
I bought my G35 6MT coupe fully loaded without navigation and I could not see myself buying it with anything less. I thought at $3500 the navigation was an utter and pure waste of money especially since I would rarely if ever be driving outside of the city with it.
Why would Infiniti want me to buy a car like this without roof anyway, and what up with the painted splash guard. In addition for a car in this price range why are they be selling trunk net separate.
I was considering maybe slipping out of my coupe and into one of these new sedans. However, I think they might just turn me off if I cannot get a trim level with everything that should be in a car like this, make sense, and does not cost an arm and a leg.
The 335 will look dull in comparison both inside and out and the performance will blow it away as well. The design of the 335 is dull even without comparing it side by side with anything else.
Note that the 335 is only a 3.0 L engine and its turbocharged too :-) for only 300hp. The 2007 G35 sedan is already more than hp than the 335i. Naturally the Coupe will be more ( 330+) naturally aspirated. The current VQ engine in the 2006 coupe can produce well over 400hp turbocharged if you really want power.
Before you make your final decision and by a BMW just for the name make sure you properly test drive both cars because the hype about BMW handling is way overrated in my opinion. Trust me I really test drive the BMW and G35 3 years ago when I bought my coupe. Each time when I test drive the cars sales person was sorry they came along for the drive because they are not used to driving these cars even close to their limits themselves. In the end the G35 coupe was a clear winner to me so much so that I could not help myself but to buy one.
Wow, you need to do a little research. Most dyno runs on the 3.0 TT put the power at 330+hp/330+ tq. That's far more than the G35 and full power is on tap from ~1400 rpm.
Trust me I really test drive the BMW and G35 3 years ago when I bought my coupe.
Ah, that was an e46. The e9x models of 3 series, even with RFTs handle better than anything else out in this market. Slap non RFTs on the car and you've got handling that makes the car stick like super glue.
The reason I got my BMW was not the "name", it was what went into the name. While Infinti has improved on the G35 over time, BMWs have a classic look about them that will stand the test of time. They are better looking and have better interiors.
I will agree the G35 is "cheaper", if you calculate hp/$.
Didn't feel much power on the 350Z with 300hp- kidding me?
The shifter is so-so. The ride is 'harsh'. Not even as impressed as a 3.0L I-6 BMW 328i coupe with auto.
I don't think the [non-permissible content removed] got the tricks yet to make something that could compete with German stuff. Sigh! :sick:
The Nissan- coarse and harsh; Lexue - family-car-looking, soft ride, not much communications between the road and the driver; Acura, great brand but has yet come up with some models decent to compete with BWM M or Audi S-lines. The Acura (except RSX and NSX) look too ordinary.
Well, reliability is one thing but performance/handling is another thing. The [non-permissible content removed] under-performed in the handling department. Haven't heard any high performance driving school using Japanese cars. They use some Americans but mostly German sports sedan/cars - M3/M5/M6, Audi S/RS, Porsche 911/Cayman/Boxster, etc.
Also, I had an Acura TLS with 260hp, my friend has a BMW 528I with 197hp and everytime we race I will beat him but he was right on my tail-go figure.
Before you use the word "cheap" too loosely note that the latest JD power and associates rank the infiniti and BMW line about the same in terms of initial quality and neither of them is even close to a Lexus. But then again maybe what you call cheap is just what I call good bang for my bucks.
Well, reliability is one thing but performance/handling is another thing. The [non-permissible content removed] under-performed in the handling department. Haven't heard any high performance driving school using Japanese cars. They use some Americans but mostly German sports sedan/cars - M3/M5/M6, Audi S/RS, Porsche 911/Cayman/Boxster, etc.
Your last argument is faulty though. Not because driving schools use European cars mean that they are the best at handling ???? That is what European car makers do. They promote and sponsor driving schools so people can "enjoy" their cars more. Its like someone who likes Pontiacs and Camaros saying you don't see many European cars at Daytona or at Nascar events. Thats just what American auto makers do . If you go to most underground racing events around the world you wont see many European cars either but that does not mean they are not good cars or have good handling. Or because European cars do not appear in "Fast and Furious" movies and games they must not have good handling. If there are any performance driving schools in the East (Japan, Australia, etc) they are likely to have Japanese cars. In addition the cars you use as examples are in a different class as I would not compare a G35 coupe with an M3/M5 or Porsche. In fact I think you would be dissing a Porsche to make such a comparison to a BMW 3xx series or G35 coupe they just don't compare.
As you say, it's all relative.
Well we will see if my CTS optimism holds up in January.
Rocky
I tested the new 2007 G35 sport today. I saw mousehair upholstery on the headliner and HARD plastic on the doors. I cannot believe the reviewers did not call Infiniti out for that, but they ripped Cadillac for it. (In fairness, Cadillac designers do need to be shot for the center stack of the outgoing CTS!)
The car had good acceleration but it was still in break-in so had some hesitation on acceleration that will disappear with time. The analog clock in the middle is gorgeous and classy, IMHO. The manumatic worked well but was a little slow to downshift. The tachometer also seemed to be placed weirdly on the instrument panel, but that's a personal thing. It did not have German "road feel" but the steering was tight (Hint to Lexus engineers, add that!), and it handled greatly.
The stereo was definitely not class leading. It worked. We could just leave it there. The Bluetooth worked. I didn't bring my MP3 player. Moreover, I didn't test drive a system with nav to upload mp3's to the flash card.
It was nice but definitely a bit more sport than luxury. It felt like a cheaper, more reliable BMW.
All of the above was just MHO.
HOST, might we add the Saab 9-3 to this forum instead of that $60K 15-speaker, full-size Cadillac STS?
Rocky
Inside Line rates it a little faster with the 3.5 vs. 330 '06 and a tick faster on the skidpad test.
Regards,
OW :confuse:
Exterior (Subjective area that I will not get into):
G35S - I like the updated looks of the G35 compared to the previous gen
335i – I also like the looks of the 335i.
Winner – Draw (too subjective)
Interior:
G35S - The interior is also improved over the previous gen. Some of the interior plastic looks somewhat cheap, but taking the lower price into consideration, it looks fine. The interior is a nice improvement over the previous gen. The sport seats were comfortable, and the thicker steering wheel felt nice. I would have to get used to HVAC and radio controls, but they seem to be in a good position. I did find myself trying to turn up the radio with the temperature dial. Again, my unfamiliarity was the cause.
335i – Higher quality materials than the G. I do not care for the placement of the driver side window controls. Cup holders are odd, but functional. BMW is not known to provide good solutions for cup holders. HVAC and radio control were good.
Winner – Slight favor to BMW in terms so quality feel. Slight favor to G in terms of gadgets (hard drive for MP3, backup camera, CF capable, etc).
Engine:
G35S - I like the growl of the engine. It is powerful at higher RPMs. It did not have the same pull at lower RPMs as the 335i. Once the RPMs got up there, it pulled well. The lack of low-end torque was noticeable on the G.
335i – Engine sound was good. Slight (very slight) turbo lab. The torque is awesome at all RPMs (starting around 1500 RPM). The car was powerful at any RPM. I was very, very impressed with the pull at any speed. Felt like a V8.
Winner: 335i.
Tranny:
G35S - I expected this to be wonderful, but I was disappointed. The shifter vibrated way too much at all RPMs, even at idle. It vibrated so much; I did not want to have my hand near it unless I needed to shift. The salesman told me this was normal. Other than that, the tranny shifted well.
335i – Shifted well. It did not have the uncontrolled vibrations like the G.
Winner: 335i
Handling:
G35S - The car handled well. It required more effort to keep in line with more aggressive driving. I am sure the suspension is capable of good performance, but IMO it will also take more work on the driver’s part to get there. The use of a LSD is a nice feature compared to the 335i. The stability control system shut down too hard when the wheels broke loose.
335i –It goes where you point it with little effort. I felt more in control of the car in nearly all situations. The stability control is much improved over previous gens. It did not shutdown the engine power as hard or easy as the previous gens or as the G. I also really like the feature where you can push the DTC button to allow more wheel slippage while still have the stability control kick in if the car gets completely out of control. This feature is not available in the G.
Winner – 335i
MSRP Price:
Winner - G35S – The price is ~$8K lower than the 335i.
Residual value:
Winner – 335i – 4% higher resale than the G – BMW only costs $1640 more over 3 years (if car was sold at the stated residuals). This is much less than the $8K initial price diff of MSRP. The cost difference will be higher (an adv for the G35) if finance changes are factored in to my calc.
$45K * .61 = $27,450 resale after 3 years – total depreciation = $17,550
$37K * .57 = $21,090 resale after 3 years – total depreciation = $15,910
Maintenance:
Winner BMW – no cost for 4 year/50K miles
G35S estimated cost over 50K miles using the factory recommended service interval
• 3700 mile oil changes - $30/each = $390 for 13 oil changes
• $300 service at 15K miles
• $700 service at 30K miles
• $300 service at 15K miles
• $400 brakes at 30K miles – estimated need
• Total = $2090 over three years & 45K miles
TCO:
Draw: The 3 year TCO is nearly the same if finance charges are factored in. Beyond 3 years is unknown (at least by my quick calculations)
I do not have an allegiance to a particular marquee. The comments above are my opinions. My final conclusion is the BMW is the better alternative for me. The G35 is a nice performing car and would be able to my needs for a high performance car if the 335i was not available. The driving dynamics in the BMW is much better (again, IMO) that I can justify the initial price difference. My sister-in-law and two friends have the G and love it. I am more of a driving enthusiast than them.
My advice to others is to test drive both and buy the one that fits your driving style better. Do not focus on 0-60 and other stats because this is not normal driving. The stats offer a quick comparison, but there is much more to a car’s performance than running stop light to stop light.
Cheers!