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26490 / 24147 = 9.7% "markup"
For comparison:
Subaru LLBean wagon: MSRP/invoice=10.5%
Volvo V70: MSRP/invoice=6.4%
Toyota Camry LE: MSRP/invoice=11.7%
Ford Focus SE wagon: MSRP/invoice=7%
However, dealer holdbacks and other factory-to-dealer incentives may decrease the actual "dealer cost" of the vehicle, increasing the dealer's overall profit margin.
Back to the TSX, if you are willing to pay full MSRP, you're actually netting the dealer a 12.7% profit (9.7% + 3.0% holdback)!
In negotiations regarding the TSX with some Acura dealers, I believe they'd like to make a minimum 10% total profit while the car is selling well, which means they'll likely let you walk out the door if you offer less than $800 under MSRP.
25,825 including wheellocks and mud guards
I'm still deciding between a few cars, but if I really have to pay MSRP for the TSX, I'll definitely be going with something else. I'll see what kinds of deals I can get in San Antonio or Houston first.
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I got a pretty good deal on it: $25,250 (incl. dest, cargo tray, mud guards, and wheel locks).
I originally had done my negotiations based on the price (without dest), but after I sat down with the financing lady, I noticed that the destination charge was included in the vehicle price (as it was not a separate line-item on the purchase contract). So, I got an even better deal than I thought! Woohoo!
I think I got such a good price because:
A) it was a "demo" car
it was near month's end
C) it was 8:30pm, the dealership had had a very busy day, and the general sales manager was tired, and, according to my salesman, he said "OK, sell him the car already. I want to go home."
Could you post the name of the Dealer you bought from with City and State? Would appreciate.
I've tried to drive a 5sp. Accord sedan, just to see if I'm really justified in spending the extra few grand on the TSX. My impression from just sitting in the Accord (I can't find a manual one in SD) is that I'd be happier in the Acura.
I'm going to start shopping around for price. If there's anyone out there in SD, Orange, or Riverside counties who've recently bought a TSX, and would care to share their experiences on what they paid, and which dealers to check out and which to avoid, I'm listening.
By the way, I'm looking for a 6sp., without NAV -- silver/ebony or blue/ebony.
One gave me a quote of about $200 off MSRP, including mud flaps, trunk mat, and wheel locks. Another one quoted me around the same price, with an extra discount if I show up in person to prove I live in Southern California (?). A third dealer refused to budge at all off MSRP, and tacked on an extra $350 for accesories, unless I came in to deal in person.
I asked the last dealer what was the point of having someone handling internet quotes, if they refused to actually make a deal with people that way. I mean, that's the whole point of using the internet -- I've already driven the car, I know what it looks like. Now that I'm basically ready to buy, all I want are good quotes. I don't feel like anyone out there is really being straight with me.
I guess the reluctance to make any sort of final deal online has to do with the dealers' desire to get people into the showroom where they can play on their own turf.
Why are you unhappy with the car? I know the audio system sucks. I'm looking to buy and if the dealer won't do anything about the rattle I keep hearing about I'll dynamat it. Also plan to replace the speakers.
Hopefully I won't have the seat problem.
I really dislike the car for several reasons (btw I had a TL I traded in for the TSX)
The stereo really is a problem. The distortion and over-stated muddy bass is really bad. Acura should have stayed with Bose in my opinion.
The NAV is great (as was the TL) but the large 8" screen image is fuzzy and appears to be stretched in some way. Also the voice rec does not work well I hope a future DVD disc upgrade can improve this.(?)
The auto tran shifts way too soon, and jumps between gears (esp 4-5) on the freeway. The sport-shift is great, and I use it most of the time.
I have also had the rattle in the sunroof, and as stated the speakers in the doors as well.
And, no matter what other posters say, the rear window does shake and rumble constantly (its not the rear-view mirror).
At 1,500 miles I wish I waited for the '04 TL.
I actually don't think it's a rattle. I think it's the sound of the rubber gasket rubbing/sticking to the painted metal opening in the roof. I intend to ask my Acura dealer how to remedy this problem (which could be as easy as wiping some kind of rubber conditioner on the gasket).
(For reference, my TSX has over 2000 miles on it- I bought it as a demo vehicle.)
However, I think you will see a price drop when the new TLs arrive. However, even that price drop will not be that dramatic, because the TL is bigger and costs more and while there will be some differentiation between the buyer market it will not be a great as Acura thinks. There are a lot of people, my self included , that want more power than the TSX offers and the TL 6-spped will satisfy that very well. It won't be the solution for everyone because it will be 4-6K higher priced.
As the old say goes "On the Internet No one can tell you are a dog".
The first Acura dealer we looked at was charging list and indicated that we would have to order any TSX with a Navi. He estimated a month to two for delivery.
I went to another local Acura dealer and after some talking was immediately offered $500 off list. They had several Navi models in stock and the salesman indicated he could do a bit better if I purchased one in stock. I brought my wife over at lunchtime, and we decided to go with a Carbon Gray/Quartz Navi AT, although our first choice had been Black/Black Navi MT.
Since it wasn't our first choice, I told the dealer that we might shop some more, but asked for his best deal on the one in stock. We got $700 off list plus I asked him to throw in the All Season Mats for free. He agreed. No hassle, no arguments, car was delivered in two days (3.75% Honda Financing).
We are very happy with it, and sometimes you can get lucky.
I haven't gotten any in-person quotes, but the best online quote I've received so far here in Southern California is about $250 off list. And, of course, dealers don't really want to deal unless you show up in person. I hope to be ready to do that in a couple of weeks, if not sooner.
We do regret not getting the MT a bit -- my wife (surprisingly) more than me. But the AT has plenty of pep (I test drove before deciding) and the sport shift is fun, although not the real thing.
But AT has always been easier when you get into traffic, which does happen a lot around here...
auto/no navigation. deal with the internet sales manager j.b.
awesome buying experience and even better driving experience.
dollar for dollar you can't beat the TSX!
(That's not including a 2% holdback on the sticker price, which could run as high as $540. I don't even know if Acura does holdback on the TSX, since it appears the dealers sell them as quickly as they're taken off the truck.)
So, it seems anything in the low $26K area would represent both a healthy profit for the dealer, and a decent ($800 to $1,000 off MSRP) discount for the buyer. I hope to find a dealer in SoCal willing to go that low.
-Colleen
i asked for wheel locks and mud flaps and he provided them for free with no issues.
good luck
And, of course, ask about any other required fees, options, etc.
Thanks!
Smooth deal, however, wanted white but none within 10 hours so I took its opposite since in stock unit is always to be had for better deal. Some dealers tell me all next month resold. My dealer had two 6 speeds and one auto red in stock. I liked the red and the blue also but settled on black. My dealer is not ordering any more 6 speeds. Says no demand for them. I guess that is why I got about $1,000 off.
Inky
Acura from what I've known always does this MSRP stuff when a new model debuts and then then if you wait a year you get a generous deal. I mean I have heard on these boards the 99 TL was going for MSRP when it first debut by 01-02 you could get a good deal on a TL. When the RSX came out they wanted MSRP now you can probably get an RSX a little over invoice price. I have an Acura myself and got a good a deal on a CL in 2001.
Thanks again!
You think that when the new TL becomes available, dealers will be more "flexible" with the TSX?
I'm seriously considering buying BOTH a TSX with the 6-speed manual AND an '04 Accord EX V6 slushbox to keep everyone in the household happy.
Got my TSX thru the Costco Car Buying Program...bought my TSX for 26,290 at South Coast Acura in Orange County.
Based on what you and others have said, it appears the dealers in Orange County are willing to shave off a few hundred more than the ones in SD. I don't know why that is so.
Unfortunately, it's raining, so I have to wait to take it out for some real driving...
The car is a Meteor Silver/Nav/5AT. Though the price was right, the dealership experience was awful. They told me it would be first or second week of August, and both the sales manager and salesmen were quoting me different delivery dates throughout this whole deal. The communication by the salesman to keep me in the loop was very, very poor. It was a frustrating process, but I suppose that is the case with many car dealers and especially when you have to order the vehicle.
For those ordering, the cars are being inspected at port before they are delivered now. My build date was 7/28 and delivery date was 8/28!