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In looking over my latest sales agreement, the following "fees" were charged:
1. License, Tag, and Registration = $68.50
2. Lien fee = $5.00
3. Document fee = $13.75
So, my grand total in fees to purchase a car in Pennsylvania were $87.25, under the GM Supplier Discount program.
If I was purchasing a car "normally" (without the GM Supplier Discount), my total fees would have been $123.50 - a difference of $36.25.
Regards... Vikd
on any model. Today, I got a courtesy call from
the salesman who sold me my car. I asked about the current selling conditions, and he said I was lucky to have bought when I did, as they are no longer honoring S-Plan on the V6.
Right now the 04's will not have much effect on the consumer pricing on the 03's. The '04 is an entirely different car than the '03. The new Maxima will bring a premium at this point, and is considerably more expensive than the '03.
So I would think that your VPP pricing is the way to go, it is too early in the game for dealers to lose money on the '03's as we are still in the heart of the '03 season. The '04 was just a very early release.
Just my humble and untrained, non sales guy opinion. Any other thoughts/advice/input welcome. I could always use more advice...
Regards... Vikd
I can understand your confusion with the screaming car ads and I do understand your logic. The point is why go to the dealership only to find out the the vehicle in the ad has already been sold, or the only one available is the purple one with green interior.
You have a great advantage over most by having the availability of VPP. You will have no games or gimmicks, no variance in pricing between dealers, and you are purchasing the vehicle for net invoice less holdback and advertising, less any other factory rebates. It is a seamless transaction.
In my 17 years in this business, and many thousands of transactions I cannot remember a situation where a dealer could sell a vehicle for less than the factory sponsored employee purchase plan.
The pricing structure for employees is designed to be less than the dealer could ordinarily sell the car to a non-employee. The price you pay is set by the manufacturer, not the dealer. The dealer is reimbursed for the loss after the sale.
I hope this helps.
Have a great day
Just a couple of other questions since you seem to have a wealth of knowledge on the subject...Is the destination/delivery fee applied to the vpp price as well? What do you do in the car biz?
Regards... Vikd
When you go to purchase the vehicle the dealer will show you the factory invoice and show you the VPP calculation. Other makes such as GM with GMS pricing and Ford/Lincoln Mercury with A,X,D plans the amount is printed on the invoice.
Feel free to ask any more questions, I would be glad to help.
BTW...what is it you do, or what do you sell, in the auto biz?
Regards... Vikd
Who's hoping his '03 Titanium Edition SE, Polished Titanium, Frost Leather with a slider and splashguards Max is still available after he closes on his house then end of the month...
You'll secure the excact one you want, but won't go into debt until next month! America - what a country!
I do have a purchase plan available for Nissan/Infiniti products; the problem is that since I am (i've just recently admitted this) a professional veh researcher and always seem to be looking, I also have one or two other vehicles in mind. Of course in a standard purchase I could still only put down a small deposit and move on, but...... aahh heck, I need to just make up my danged mind and be done with it!
Thanks for the shot of common sense...I needed it!
Regards... Vikd
As this is America, and it is every American's duty to have at least one car payment, if not two or three, you can enjoy your new car and STILL spend hours researching your NEXT car purchase.
See how easy that was?
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I'm pretty set on the Max; I won't grow out of it anytime soon. I guess I'll pick that up soon and start the process of obsessing over other vehicles all over again... ;-/
Regards... Vikd
Also, Mazda said it is up to the dealer to decide (at this time) whether or not they want to accept S/E plan pricing. My dealer near me didn't except it so I went to a different dealer who would. I saved 3K.
Here is how the program works:
(Cut and Paste from fordpartner.com)
(I apologize in advance for the length)
You can take advantage of special discount prices on Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Volvo, and Land Rover. In addition, cash allowances are available for Jaguar vehicles.
Super Duty F450-F750, Thunderbird, Volvo XC90, Mazda RX8 and Aston Martin vehicles are not covered by this program. Exclusions are subject to change.
How do I take advantage of the Program?
That's easy. Follow these simple steps:
1. Generate your PIN on this website.
2. Visit your local dealer with your PIN and immediately identify yourself as a Partner Recognition participant. Provide your PIN and Social Security Number to verify your eligibility.
3. Provide proof of employment or membership by an eligible Ford Partner through a pay stub, company I.D., business card, W-2, membership letter, membership card, etc.
4. Select your new vehicle.
5. Request vehicle invoice from sales representative to confirm plan price.
6. Discuss financing options.
7. Drive home in your new set of wheels.
Here are the main points you need to know about the program. Check our FAQs for additional questions.
* You can lease or buy your vehicle through this program. However, depending on the brand selected, you may be required to obtain the lease through the respective brands credit source. [Ford Credit]
* You are eligible for all public incentives plus many incentives normally paid to the dealer. Some special offers may not be compatible with this offer so check with your dealer to determine which incentives you are eligible for.
* Prior model year vehicles are only eligible through March 31st of the current model year.
* Used vehicles are not eligible.
* Trade-in allowances are not covered by this program and will likely represent the wholesale value of your trade-in. (may be lower than expected) (see FAQ section)
* Dealer Participation in this program is voluntary.
The Partner Recognition Program offers substantial savings on most Ford Motor Company vehicles. Partner pricing varies by brand, as follows:
X-Plan Pre-determined price based on Ford Employee ("A-Plan") price.
The X-Plan price is noted on the dealer invoice (except for Land Rover)
Ford/Mercury/TH!NK A-Plan + 4% + $150
Lincoln A-Plan + 4% + $250
Volvo A-Plan + 2%
Land Rover Dealer Invoice + 4%
For actual pricing on in-stock vehicles visit: FordDirect, Lincoln Vehicles or Mercury Vehicles and/or your local dealership.
S-Plan Pre-determined price based on Mazda Employee price ("E-Plan") and noted on the dealer invoice
Mazda E-Plan + 5.3%
Preferred Jaguar vehicles are not available at a pre-determined price, however, a cash allowance, is available. The amount varies by model ($500 - $1,500)
For actual pricing on in-stock vehicles visit your local dealership. Click here to see some examples.
FAQ
Who is eligible?
Active employees (salaried, hourly and contract), retirees, members and their spouses who reside within the U.S. You will be required to show proof of employment or membership by an organization or company eligible for Partner Recognition benefits at the time you take delivery of your vehicle.
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Am I eligible for this program if I recently purchased or leased an eligible vehicle?
No. This special pricing offer is only available when you identify yourself as a participant and provide your PIN prior to completing the purchase or lease transaction. The program is not retroactive.
How many vehicles may I obtain through Partner Recognition?
Eligible employees (salaried, hourly and contract), retirees, members and their spouses may purchase or lease a total of two vehicles per calendar year through the Partner Recognition Program. Vehicles must be titled and registered in the eligible employee, retiree, member or spouse's name (vehicles may not be titled or registered in a company name). No other family members are eligible for Partner Recognition pricing.
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What is Partner Recognition Pricing and how do I know if I'm getting a good deal?
The Partner Recognition Program offers substantial savings on most Ford Motor Company vehicles. Partner pricing varies by brand, as follows:
X-Plan Pre-determined price based on Ford Employee ("A-Plan") price. The X-Plan price is noted on the dealer invoice (except for Land Rover)
Ford/Mercury/TH!NK A-Plan + 4% + $150
Lincoln A-Plan + 4% + $250
Volvo A-Plan + 2%
Land Rover Dealer Invoice + 4%
For actual pricing on in-stock vehicles visit: FordDirect, Lincoln Vehicles or
Mercury Vehicles and/or your local dealership.
S-Plan Pre-determined price based on Mazda Employee price ("E-Plan") and noted on the dealer invoice
Mazda E-Plan + 5.3%
Preferred Jaguar vehicles are not available at a pre-determined price, however, a cash allowance, is available. The amount varies by model ($500 - $1,500)
For actual pricing on in-stock vehicles visit your local dealership.
Can I receive the special Partner Recognition Price at any dealer?
This program is available through all participating dealers in the U.S. Dealer participation is voluntary. You should inform the dealer of your X-Plan (S-Plan) or Jaguar Preferred eligibility during your first contact with your dealer. If for some reason your dealer elects not to participate, you may visit another dealer.
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Which Ford Motor Company vehicles are eligible?
Virtually all Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Volvo, and Land Rover vehicles are eligible. In addition, cash allowances are available for Jaguar vehicles. Super Duty F450-F750, Thunderbird, Volvo XC90, Mazda RX8 and Aston Martin vehicles are not included in this program. This list is subject to change.
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Are any other items covered through the X-Plan (S-Plan) or Jaguar Preferred?
No, dealer installed options, conversion packages, extended warranties, accessories, etc. are not covered by this program and must be agreed upon between you and the dealer.
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Am I eligible for other incentives?
Yes, for most. Partner recognition participants are eligible for all public incentives and many incentives normally paid to the dealer. There are some special offers that are not compatible with this offer. Your dealer can best determine which incentives you are eligible for.
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Can I purchase or lease my vehicle?
Yes, however dependin
Yes, however depending on the brand selected, you may be required to obtain the lease through the respective brands credit source.
Can I be charged a "document fee" by my dealer?
No. Fees for documentation or similar administration services are not allowed.
Can I trade-in a vehicle in combination with this program?
Yes, however your trade-in will likely be valued more closely to the wholesale price as the 'X Plan' new vehicle program limits a dealership's overall pricing opportunities.
How long is the program in effect?
There is no effective expiration date for this program, however, Ford Motor Company reserves the right to modify the program, remove eligibility, or cancel the program at any time.
How long is a PIN good for?
PIN's remain active for 12 months from date of issue.
Are dealer demo models or used vehicles included in this plan?
Dealer demonstrators do qualify for the program, however, used vehicles do not.
Are prior model year vehicles eligible?
Yes, except for Jaguar Preferred, prior model year vehicles are eligible but only through March 31st of the current model year.
Can I obtain a vehicle for my business or for another person?
No, vehicles must be titled and registered in the eligible employee, retiree, member or spouse's name for a minimum of six months. Other family members are not eligible for Partner recognition pricing.
How can I obtain my PIN if I forget or misplaced it?
You can obtain a PIN, which was previously generated, by visiting www.fordpartner.com and clicking on PIN History. You will need to provide your name and Social Security Number for verification.
How has Land Rover pricing changed?
Effective September 21, 2001, Land Rover pricing is based on Invoice Price plus 4%. This replaces and creates a better value versus the former pricing structure involving MSRP.
When do I need to identify myself as a participant?
You are OBLIGATED to identify yourself as a Partner Recognition (X, S, Preferred) participant at the time you first visit a dealership. Not providing this information to your salesperson up-front, may jeopardize your ability to obtain a vehicle (through the program) from that dealership.
How does the Jaguar program differ from X-Plan (S-Plan) programs?
The Jaguar program is not a predetermined pricing program. Rather, there is a special cash allowance based on the Jaguar model purchased or leased. The participant negotiates their transaction directly with the dealership. The cash allowance may be applied to the transaction or received separately.
The amounts are as follows :
Eligible Vehicle Customer Cash Allowance
X-Type $ 500
S-Type $ 500
XJ8 / XJ Sport $ 1,000
Vanden Plas $ 1,500
Super V8 $ 1,500
XJR $ 1,500
XK8 / XKR $ 1,500
For Jaguar cars, are there any vehicle exclusions?
At the present time all vehicles are included, although availability of X-Type may be limited based upon being a recently introduced vehicle.
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Is there a difference in eligibility between X-Plan (S-Plan) and Jaguar Preferred?
No, those individuals eligible under the Partner Recognition Program are eligible for Jaguar Preferred.
How does a participant receive the Preferred Program cash allowance?
The cash allowance will be made available to the participant to use towards the purchase or lease of their Jaguar vehicle. However, the customer may choose to receive the payment directly. If this is the case, then the payment will be mailed to the participant's home address.
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How can I locate X Plan pricing for my Ford vehicle?
To configure and price your Ford vehicle under the X Plan, you can access the Ford Direct.com web site. Additional information on pricing and vehicle programs can be found in the "Program Overview" tab of the Home Page for this site. From the "Program Overview" tab select "the pricing" from the toolbar for details. You will also have the option to access the Ford Direct.com site from this page if you choose.
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How can I locate X Plan pricing for my Lincoln vehicle?
To configure and price your Lincoln vehicle under the X Plan, you can access the LincolnVehicles.com web site. Additional information on pricing and vehicle programs can be found in the "Program Overview" tab of the Home Page for this site. From the "Program Overview" tab select "the pricing" from the toolbar for details. You will also have the option to access the LincolnVehicles.com site from this page if you choose.
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How can I locate X Plan pricing for my Mercury vehicle?
To configure and price your Mercury vehicle under the X Plan, you can access the MercuryVehicles.com web site. Additional information on pricing and vehicle programs can be found in the "Program Overview" tab of the Home Page for this site. From the "Program Overview" tab select "the pricing" from the toolbar for details. You will also have the option to access the MercuryVehicles.com site from this page if you choose
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msrp....26,595
S-plan 24,018
My point is this.....Creating the illusion there is this more mark up than there really is will cause shoppers to have an unrealistic idea of the price they will pay. Yes, the S-plan is a simple and painfree way of buying, not to mention the great price....But I don't want people to get the wrong idea about the numbers.
msrp....26,595
S-plan 24,018
may not be accurate, I can say for certain that it appears accurate. My car was very similar in MSRP - a couple hundred more. The S-plan price I paid is within a few hundred of the number shown here.
I can also share the S-plan Acrobat file I've got that details s-plan pricing option by option.
GM supplier and employee discounts vary somewhat
tho.....Enjoy your new car !
Hey do you have a GM mastercard? Don't forget the bonus point cash if you do..........geo
Sonja, I haven't decided on the Saab yet. Its just really tempting to lease a $32K car for 363/mo plus tax.. No GM credit card. Wouldn't really be interested in any other GM product. Didn't even know I was interested in this one (LOL)
thanks,
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That last thing I want is S-planners running in thinking that 3K discounts are accurate for all mz6's..
Ahh...No doubt. $3,000 off isn't going to happen.
If you're lucky enough and Mazda continues the graduate program, you'll get your $3000 discount!
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sorry for the rant.. feel better now (but still remaining jealous).
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No reason to discount when they're selling site-unseen.
mikef208@yahoo.com, thanks
Is this right?
He's suppoed to fax me the invoice tomorrow AM, so I can look at it. (Of course by the time I got home the GM helpline was closed)
in front of you with GM employee/family price.
At least they do it on all other GM brands.
Don't forget if you buy NO advertising free or
DOC fee either.....Minus rebates, GM card points
etc........
My sister went in to lease a 9-3. They had a
special running in the paper $299 mtn, 36 mth,
12k miles per year $29xx down includes all !
Sisters GM family lease deal $250 mth...$1000
down.......geo
The other one I need to call and ask for them. (That one I was physically there talking to the manager)
Hope this helps,
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price........GMS means General Motors Stock aka: vehicle on lot.
http://www.gmfamilyfirst.com
To check prices..But you need sponsors SS# tho.
The only incentive they have let me know about is the publicly announced one. (0% or $2500 back). From reading posts before, I had thought that any incentive out there I would have been told about/given.
The Saab invoices don't fit the GM peoples expectations. Supposedly on other GM invoices their is an amount specifically labeled GMS, on Saab their isn't.