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Toyota Tundra vs. Nissan Titan
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I keep thinking about the new Altima my wife and I test drove last summer. It looked sweet and really had some guts, but it sounded like the plastic trim around the radio and arm rest was going to fall off 'cause it was squeeking creaking so much.......(any I'm a Mustang and VW Passat owner, both of which are notorious for squeeks and creaks).
The Tundra Offers a c-channel frame at the back with rivets which will lead to more body roll and a noisy ride in the future. The engine has almost the same horsepower of a 3.5 altima, The tundra only has a colum shifter and some of the ugliest wood grain ever seen in a truck
PS Check out the article in four wheeler magazine about the pick up truck of the year
I've compared the Tundra and Titan very carefully and really wish the Tundra had better front seats, about 60 more horse power, and side air bags.
I wish the Titan didn't have the typical questionable Nissan build quality with cheap interior materials, a really short bed with the crew cab, and such stupid option packages like having to order the off road package to get limited slip. Don't forget about the 5 hours of labor it'll take to replace the starter ;~)
Tthe Titan really reminds me of my current loaded '02 Quad Cab Dakota (which I really lilke). It's powerful, looks cool and seems awesome....until all the little things the factory screwed up start showing up. (and driving me nuts)
I want my next truck to be dependable and reliable first and foremost. I don't need the fastest truck as my 'stang runs 12's. I think Toyota designed and builds the Tundra to last a long time, I just don't get that same feeling with the Titan (hopefully I'm wrong).
jwilli420, it's not really apples to apples, but the newest Four Wheeler Magazine picks the Lexus GX470 as four wheeler of the year. The Armada finished 4th and the Hemi Durango 5th. I found it interesting as the Lexus has the same little (Under Powered ?)4.7 as the Tundra (but with a 5 spd trans.). It was 5th fastest in the quarter mile out of seven and still won 4X4 of the year.
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Reread my post, I said "not really apples to apples." FWIW, I don't take much stock in the "car or truck of the year" the rags publish.
In 1983 "Motor Trend" named the Renault Alliance "Car of the Year", so it must've been good, right?
Honestly, I like the Titan, I just don't think it's proven to be "better" than the Tundra (yet?). Time will tell. Power, speed and towing, yes. Durability, reliability and resale, not a chance in my book.
That is funny, I remember that.
Reading the Armada forum I can't help but notice the already numerous reports of rattles, screwd up roofs and other issues. If I had the choice to by a sqeaky problematic, but powerful, huge truck or a well built, high quality one that may not put the high numbers out, I would go with the latter.
But then again, I am very anal and I hate rattle boxes. Some people don't even care as long as they have the biggest engine.
The bottom line is, the Titan is not a proven product, time will tell.
tsk, tsk, tsk...
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That's pretty funny.
"The Titan also has a high residual so resale won't be much of a problem"
That's down right hilarious! In fact, it's PLANE hilarious!
Anyway, after work yesterday, I went to my local Toyota dealer to check out the first 2wd DC they had gotten in. It drove really nice and seemed to have a bit more snap than the DC 4x4's I'd driven (maybe it was my imagination). I honestly think my Quad Dakota rides and drives nicer though, with less noise, vibration and overall harshness.
I then drove to the Nissan dealer to check out the two latest Titan's they'd received. They had a loaded white 4X4 SE in the show room that looked sweet. The hood was up and the first thing I noticed was a huge chunk of dirt stuck in the paint on the top edge of the left side front fender (it reminded me of my Dakota's poor paint quality).
The truck had the utility bed package and I was curious to check out the storage area located behind the left side rear wheel, but couldn't because the handle had actually broken off. The plastic dash pieces had little plastic hairs hanging out between the seams where they'd been snapped together.
I also checked out a 4X4 XE extended cab. After I got inside I thought "Cool, the overhead counsel has three drop down storage areas, my Dakota only has one." I dropped the middle little door down and tried to close it, it wouldn't latch. The spring in the latch was broken. At that point I'd seen enough Nissan quality to make my Dodge look more like the Diamler side of Diamler-Chrysler than Chrysler side.
The salesman and I had a pretty good laugh as I told him all these little things were confirming my suspicion of Nissan being the Japanese Chrysler (he is a former Dodge salesman so he could relate). Honestly, the Titan has a LONG way to go. I'd say overall initial build quality is where Dodge was 10 or years ago and Toyota 20 or more years ago.
I don’t care how fast the Titan is, or how much it can tow, Nissan build quality is poor. Say what you want about the Tundra; the Titan pales in comparison if you're shopping for value.
Upon driving both I thought the Tundra had great power for it's 240 HP engine, more than the 300hp F150 which was strange. The ride was very smooth and "carlike". Was also very quiet. There was nothing that I really did not like about the Tundra except that it does not really make a style statement. It's a nice truck. Just like the Car and Driver review says. Definitely wins over the F150 though, no question there.
Then I test drove the Titan right after and felt like I was the pilot of a rocket! Man does it go. You really feel the power when you step on the gas. IMO the Titan blows the Ford out of the water. My wife's comments..."this is a truck's truck. This is what a truck should feel like" Also liked the bold lines and extra features not included in the Tundra (spray in boxliner, running boards, brake systems). These are all extras on the Tundra while they are included in the Titan for the same base price.
The other thing I did not like is that Toyota in Alberta will not deal. They give you $500 off of MSRP and that's it. All dealers up here are part of the same program to "price fix".
My decision has been made, my next truck will be a Titan. Nissan has done their homework and put together an excellent truck.
I hope you get better than me.
Tundra Limited 4x4 0-60: 8.8 sec 0-100: 26.9 sec
Titan SE 4x4 0-60: 7.6 sec 0-100: 23.5 sec
Tundra was not supercharged. Not that I need to do 100+ mph, but 0-100 difference shows Tundra even slower 60+mph. We do 70-80mph a lot on Texas Highways.
I have never owned a truck but I'm about to replace the family minivan with a truck. I have test driven most models and read a lot about the trucks.
I REALLY like the Titan BUT it is a new product and I am concerned about quality/initial bugs, etc.
Now I know this is going to sound "anal" but after driving the new Tundra DC I came away with mixed feelings.
1. Build quality is excellent.
2. Ride quality is best of any truck I've driven--almost car like.
3. I like the electric back window and large bed.
BUT:
1. It lacks the "aggressive" truck look.
2. Because it drives/rides like a car/ it doesn't "FEEL" like a truck.
3. Power seems low.
4. Interior even looks car like.
Here is the paradox; I am a white collar professional who will use the truck to commute to the office and as a family vehicle. I will use it some on weekends to hall stuff from Lowes, and for some hunting trips. Basically, I don't really NEED a truck, but I think it would be fun to drive one--I'm a bit board with the minivan and the luxury sedans.
So.....is the Tundra a real truck that is fun to drive in addition to being reliable, etc.?
If you're coming from minivan & luxury car, Tundra likely best choice. Tundra is a good truck, but...
I recommend you drive all the trucks. One of them will feel & drive just right for you. Besides it's just as good to know why you chose one over another.
But picking a truck is like picking a career, home, or romantic partner. It won't be perfect in everyway. But you should like it enough in the areas that are most important to you that you can live with the 20% you don't particularly like....
Most of these haven't been a problem with framed Titan. Also the Titan benefits from Armada being out for a while. The drivetrain/brakes/electrical...etc are all right from the Armada.
I assume there will be some teething problems, but I haven't seen any trends yet
I don't understand the point of adding S/C's, turbos, or nitrous to any vehicle, but that is another topic all together. The only type of invasive power adder I might consider would be propane injection on a diesel engine.
I hope i answered your question.
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