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1. When will the CR-V SE will be available?
2. Will all CR-Vs have more hp and torque? It's a little on the weak side right now.
3. Will mpg be higher? It's a little right now. I noticed the new 4WD system--will that improve mpg a lot?
4. How much $$$ for the SE?
5. Will the SE be available in any other colors?
6. Will I be able to get tan/off-white leather instead of the black in those pictures?
7. Does anyone know if the new CR-Vs have HID lights?
2. Probably not.
3. Possibly. The new 5 speed automatic transmission might grant a very slight increase.
4. I'd guess about $2,300 more than the EX.
5. Pewter is unique to the SE. There will probably be 2 other colors.
6. The CR-V gets a new "ivory" interior this year. I'd be willing to bet one of the SE colors will have that interior. No idea which one.
7. It will not.
Also, how much of an increase in MPG would shifting from a 4- to a 5-speed is reasonable to expect?
Mpg gain would probably be no more than 1 mpg on the highway cycle, but don't count on it. I expect the upgrade is to improve smoothness, not fuel economy.
The above links crash test results for the 2005 CR-V. The Govt says the 2005 CR-V doesn't have ABS or traction control.
We haven't seen any mention of traction control, in the rumors. So it's possible that the CR-V doesn't have that feature. It's kind of a silly omission, IMO. But with RT4WD, they may figure it's not necessary.
I think it's only the SE that would not be available with a manual.
The key word here is "slightly." I don't expect any dramatic improvements in acceleration or mpg.
Bob
Only at the cost of stability. I drove several SUVs when shopping. Except for the Forester (which is really more of a station wagon), the CR-V handled the best in turns. I attribute this to the design of the car. Honda has managed to make a fairly tall car very stable in the turn, at the cost of some road noise and comfort. I find it a good combination.
For this reason I don't see stability control as a vital necessity for the current generation of CR-V.
Everything is a trade-off. It's really not easy to make positive modifications to a vehicle without having a negative impact on some other feature or attribute.
The 2005 model has a "drive by wire" throttle system. For those of you not familiar with such designs, the pedal is no longer mechanically connected to the input of fuel. Instead, it sends information about the pedal position to the throttle electronically. This allows for some fine tuning of throttle response and has some benefits for things like fuel economy.
According to this source, the new models will be rated 22-27 mpg for the 5 speed automatics. The 5 speed manual CR-Vs will also get a boost of 1 mpg to 22-26.
I find this interesting because the original press material for the 2002 5 speed manuals had them rated at 21-26. This was Honda's estimate based on in-house testing (they use the same test as the EPA). When the EPA tested the CR-V, they gave it a 21-25 rating. The only obvious change for 2005 is the addition of drive by wire.
The drawer under the front passenger seat is gone. They have placed airbag sensors under there and (I assume) didn't want the contents of the drawer to interfere with the sensors.
The new RT4WD system is supposed to react "faster".
There's a new cloth fabric for the non-leather models.
The headlight units include separate bulbs for hi and low beam operation.
The trap table between the front seats is attached to the driver's seat.
There are also new colors and the other stuff that has been mentioned before. No word on pricing.
Unfortunately I am "familiar" with "drive by wire" throttle system. It may have benefits varmint described, but it also have a drawback - reliability. I got multiple problems with this system on my Volvo GLT just after original warranty expired. Result: about $1,200 + for repairs and at least 5 visits to the dealer.
Dealer admitted that "drive by wire" throttle system was a bad idea for the car (VOLVO) with a previous phenomenal live span and reliability.
BMW people have similar problems with "drive by wire" throttle system.
Hope, CR-V 05 would not have these defects.
I agree that *any* change has the potential to lead to problems, but the benefits typically outweigh the risks. After all, they said that VTEC was too complicated to make reliable.
*Edit*
Coincidentally, the article linked below suggests that drive-by-wire is more reliable than systms making use of moving parts.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040812.gtwhh- ow12/BNPrint/Technology
"While efficiency was the driving force behind this movement there are a number of other benefits. Electronic throttle control greatly reduces cost and complexity and improves reliability while reducing weight. Eliminating the mechanical elements reduces the number of moving parts and thus the need for maintenance (oiling and adjusting cables)."
"The 5 speed manual CR-Vs will also get a boost of 1 mpg to 22-26."
That should be 21 - 26. It's still a boost of 1 mpg for the highway rating, but the city rating stays at 21.
Volvo sales took a dive too.
John
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CR-V LX 4WD 5-Speed Automatic $21,195 22/27
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CR-V EX 4WD 5-Speed Manual $22,450 21/26
5 Speed Automatic $23,350 22/27
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CR-V SE 4WD 5-Speed Automatic $25,050 22/27
The Honda CR-V Returns for 2005 Updated Styling, New Special Edition Model and an Expanded List of Standard Safety Features
September 10, 2004 -- Torrance, Calif. -- For the 2005 model year, the CR-V receives a substantial re-design including new exterior and interior styling, additional standard safety equipment as well as the addition of a new Special Edition (SE) model with features such as a leather interior and body-color bumpers. In accordance with Honda's industry-leading 'Safety for Everyone' program, all CR-Vs will now come equipped with a longer list of standard safety equipment including front side airbags, side curtain airbags, and Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) with Traction Control
A new addition to the CR-V lineup, the Special Edition is based upon the existing EX trim level with the addition of several new amenities. The SE adds heated leather seats and door mirrors, and a leather steering wheel and shift knob. Externally, the CR-V SE also adds body-colored bumpers, side molding, door handles and hard spare tire cover. Along with the other available exterior colors, Pewter Pearl is exclusively offered on the SE trim.
For the 2005 Honda CR-V, a five speed automatic transmission is standard for all trim levels. Additionally, a new Cam-driven real-time AWD mechanism replaces the previous pump-type system on all models, improving acceleration and hill climbing performance from the previous model. Integrated keyless remote entry is now standard on all CR-V trim levels.
The exterior of the Honda CR-V has a new look for the upcoming model year with newly designed front grill, cylindrical-shaped headlights and aerodynamic front bumper. A new side sill and side protector adorns the side of the CR-V, while newly designed rear combination lights and rear bumper enhance the rear of the vehicle. Additionally, a new Arch flare with one-piece mudguard has been added. Along with the new exterior elements of the CR-V, 16" wheels have also been added for all trim levels, along with a new EX alloy and LX steel wheel designs. Three new exterior colors join the CR-V palate for 2005: Silver Moss, Redondo Red Pearl and Sahara Sand.
Interior features for the CR-V have also been significantly updated for the 2005 model year. On the EX trim level, steering mounted audio controls and outside temperature gauge has been added. Also, all models now feature new retractable grab rails and larger seatback pockets. A new Ivory interior color replaces the Saddle interior color.
For more information and downloadable high-resolution images of the Honda CR-V and other Honda vehicles, please visit www.hondanews.com. Consumer information is available at www.hondacars.com.
http://autodeadline.com/detail?source=Honda&mid=HON2004091060- - 425&mime=ASC
Huh? I thought all models already had a buzzer if you left your headlights on and opened the driver's door...
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Not to mention side curtain airbags, which are listed in the Honda releases. Though personally, I suspect a lot of people are going to be pleased with the steering wheel audio controls... it is used daily, whereas VSA and airbags are rarely used.
I don't think the leather is optional - it is standard on the SE trim, but I haven't seen that it will be an option for other trims. Same with color keyed bumpers...
I'm a bit miffed that there is no longer an LX AWD model with a manual transmission, myself. That model was a real bargain and terrific performer. Now you can only get the stick-shift with an EX.
any ideas if this updated rt4wd provides a limited-slip rear-differential?
are there any aftermarket limited slip diffy's ?
...really my off-roading is limited to ski parking lots and the occasional dirt road i.e national parks, getting to a trailhead...
thanks in advance!
Step on up to the EX next time.. Pamper yourself with the moonroof and alloys... You deserve it!!
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The changes to the 2005 CR-V are a fact, confirmed by Honda itself. C&D just got it wrong. They also missed changes to the 2005 Liberty and other vehicles. Since I subscribe to C&D, I wrote them a letter about it.
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With the addition of the less expensive Element on the lots, I can see why they did this. But that LX stick with AWD was a real steal.