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23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
The unfortunate thing is they'll depreciate like crazy and are a hard sell when priced new almost the same as Civics, Mazda3's and Elantras. But it's a GM car I actually like.
There was one at the public auction recently, a loaded 2011 Cruze with manual tranny with only 10 thousand or so kilometers on the odo. I believe it sold for $11-$12k. New ones stickered at about $22k iirc.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
$26 plus with freight is ambitious, but leather and 17" alloys come standard, and GM covers the powertrain for 100k, plus 2 years free service.
The bad? Price, timing belt, and it loses almost 15hp vs the euro tune of that engine to meet CARB. Auto only, no stick.
It does run on B20.
Bet these hold their value better than the gas models do.
I bet so, too. People pay insane money for used VW TDIs, especially when gas prices spike. Note that GM's powertrain warranty is 5 years/100k as opposed to Hyundai/Kia's 10 year/100k plan. I think GM's warranty will transfer if you sell the car, while Hyundai/Kia's won't.
Of course, $23k for a 2 year old car that cost low $30s new sort of reflects that in the price. The used one only has 3 years left on the warranty, vs. 10 for new.
I can verify that fact. I sold my '00 TDI a year and a half after I bought it new and sold it for only $3k less than I paid for it with over 35k miles. I had people contacting me from all over country. At that time a new one was going for over sticker.
Feb 08, 2013 (8:21 pm)
Drove in a small caravan of new Spark's from Lauderdale airport to a Hertz in Clearwater today and for what it is, it's not bad at all! It drove respectfully though it is a little noisy in the cabin from the overworked engine but once up around cruising speed, 70, it quieted down some. Wish the seat fabric was a bit more grippy and softer like the Kia Rio and the Hyundai Accent but at this price point one can overlook this shortcoming. The dash was interesting and tilted with the steering wheel and it looks like it was taken off a motorcycle. It was pretty basic inside though these models had cruise and Sirius/XM, a very nice touch indeed! It made the long drive pleasant but we had to put in a few bucks of petrol just to reach our destination. Granted with 6 miles on the clock, the engine is brand new and not seated properly so getting optimal mileage numbers isn't going to happen but still, those last few bars disappeared rather quickly. The sheet metal is a bit interesting but since these are made just for the rental fleet, it doesn't really matter. The car felt a bit wobbly on the highway but that could be due to improper tire inflation and nothing with the car itself as it did ride on 195/55/15 rubber. One knows that this is a small econocar by just opening the doors but it has all the basics needed plus the above mentioned extra goodies that people who rent require.
Overall, Chevy did a respectable job with this small rental fare vehicle, most folks want a low priced rental and this car definitely fits the bill here. Not as primitive as a Flintstone car but no one will expect Lexus quality ride and switchgear at this bargain price...it hits it's stated target with an almost bulls eye! Chevy and GM...ya done good here!
The Sandman
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Ebay is the perfect place to look. Took me less than a wek to find exactly what I was looking for and the seller was excellent to deal with.
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2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Nothing on tap for the weekend...as of right now. But that could change!
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
My kids liked it but it is a bit toy like for me. The Sonic feels more like a real car.
Thanks for the eBay tip, will look.
That would be a hassle. I will keep looking though.
I should place and ad there for a swap.
That's why I think it's best to get manufacturers brand and never, I repeat never do a plus 1 or plus 2...could be nightmarish! I really wanted to go to a 60 or 65 series tire for the greater sidewall and smoother ride but decided to keep it stock as I had rubbing issues with the other vehicle I talked about earlier...just not worth it. The extra $ is one thing but the added aggravation just takes all the pleasure away. My next vehicle is going to have alloys as original equipment and hopefully a power drivers chair. Not sure if the Elantra can be equipped with the power seat but will have to see. Right now, that model is in the lead for my next vehicle. Anxious to test the new Kia Forte and Buick Verano. The one I sat in at the Buick store was so comfortable though a bit pricey. I think it's the same size as the Elantra and my current Civic which is as big as I'd go. Handling is going to be the deciding factor here as I will probably spend the extra $ if the vehicle is that good. Spending a little bit more on something that will be kept for about 10 or so years is not a big price to pay. I no longer choose to settle just to save a few bucks especially at my age! And I deserve what I want this time!
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Plus 1 is fine, as long as it was an OEM fitment. On the civic, there was usually a base model with smaller rims, so if you are just going from say LX to EX, no problem.
same on the Accord. The 4 cyl had 16", and the V6 had 17", so no issues fitting those 17" ones.
just make sure to check the overall diameter.
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
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2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Did some research and while the stock size is 205/45R17, apparently the SUV-like fender gap allows for much taller tires, up to 215/65 on the same rims.
That's a little nuts, and the odometer would be way off, too. 65 are what my minivan takes, too.
I might go with a far more reasonable 215/50 though. They're about 5% over but add about a half inch of sidewall. And you can get high performance tires in that size.
So I think I will do that. I have some tread left, but if that slow leak I had a while ago comes back it would be the perfect excuse for new tires.
It helps being "average" size too. My Outback bothers me after a couple of hours, but most cars don't.
Mazda softened up the seats in the 2010 MS3 and I don't like them at all; the leather seats in the Abarth I drove were also very nice.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
I did her the "favor". :shades:
I walk in and there is a Turbo/Limited in the show room, panoramic moonroof and all. Niiiice car, of course it's $35k. It's a demo so asking price was $31k, not too bad.
Napa leather, perforated, heated and cooled, wraps even the dash. Roof is lovely. Nav screen is average size, but sharp. UVO has lots of gee-whiz stuff for the techie in me. Seats are very comfy. Pillars wrapped in fabric.
Cons? I don't need the turbo, which is less reliable than the base engine. Paddle shifters are nice but you actually lose the heated steering wheel. Chrome wheels are tacky and oversized.
I chat a bit and ask for an EX with the premium (pano roof) and the tech (Nav) packages. Sans turbo the asking price plunges to $29k. The pillars are plastic and you lose the paddles on the steering wheel, but you gain a heated steering wheel and better mpg. It also has heated and cooled leather, heck even the rear seat base is heated.
Forget any stereotype you had about Kia being cheap.
Engine is peppy, trans works in harmony with it. A little noisy when you floor it but nothing objectionable. Ride/handling is biased towards a good ride, with 17"s it rides quite well. Blind spots are so so but the backp cam is excellent and you get one even without the Nav package.
I can usually come up with a list of complaints but I will admit I was stumped. It checks every box I wanted. It's just a bigger car than I need.
I wish there was a 5 door model, or a Forte 5 door with that pano option.
Big thumbs up to Kia, though.
I hop in, and instantly I no longer need deodorant and my flatulence is odorless.
I like the "just right" size. Passenger space is impressive for the exterior size. Cargo room also for that matter. The Scion xD seems one size smaller.
Moonroof is small. Leather ain't leather in this case, but it's heated and comfy. Entune was simple and found my house, but you can't program it on the move, even the front passenger. Most OEMs are like that, I guess.
Engine was ice cold and it was at 10mpg when I took over. Should have zeroed the odometer, oh well. Drove off and it's a smooth transition from EV to gas and back. BMW needs to learn how to make a smooth start/stop from this $18.6k car. Badly.
It rides well for a small car, accelerates ok. I got it from 10 to 30 mpg in a couple of miles, and it was still climbing fast. Geeks will love the charts you get - I was over 50 mpg for 4 of the 7 mini trips, which it breaks each time you stop. Would be easy to get over 50mpg in this.
I do like the small size, but ... this is an economy car with an economy price. It's only $2 grand or so more than an equipped Yaris, and EPA says you get $600 back per year in gas savings, so you break even in a little more than 3 years. Worth it....
...if you are poor. Lucky for me I'm not poor.
It drives well, it's just not plush in any way. It's a good cheap car.
$18.6k for a 2, or $20.4k for a 3 which has Nav and Entune.
Honestly the base model makes more sense to me. For $18.6k from Fitz there isn't any new car that is significantly better and none will beat the mileage.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Just don't take it on roads that move at 60mph or more with hills...it's a useful car for city people, but for many drivers would get tiresome quickly.
Maybe engine size is a part of start/stop roughness? C has a 49cc scooter engine, right? Could probably pull start it with fishing line :shades:
The insanely high wages for tenured lucky people in the DC area might give a different outlook, but poor people couldn't dream of a 19K car.
Was that from a sign-up at the auto show?
All I got was a Hyundai tote bag.
This is a much more substantial car than the Prius C. It is roomy and comfy front and back. The cloth is plush and the A-pillar is nicely wrapped. The "leather" is better finished than the C.
Off the line, it feels much quicker. You get instant response from the electric motor, and the gas engine gives a nice boost and you're gone. This is NOT a slow car, blame the driver if you're ever stuck behind one.
I drove it like I stole it and still got 36mpg over a couple of miles with an ice cold engine. It rides well, handling is ok (better than expected).
Visibility is good and the Nav has a nice backup cam, the C did not.
Overall, better than expected. More to the point, it's a much better car than most enthusiasts are willing to admit.
I'd pick this over the C, even a used one.
200hp seems like enough for that! LOL
I rarely go fast but I'd still fell better surrounded by a more substantial car.
My Miata is light but feels substantial.
1.5l in the C isn't small for its class. I just think I will shop one class up, even if it's used.
My first job was near minimum wage and I earned scholarships and worked my way up so you'll get no apologies from me. :P
I'd choose a normal Prius or a V (which at least looks like a wagon kind of thing instead of a normal Prius shape) over the C.
How would you compare a normal Prius to a Lexus CT?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I received the same offer a while ago; I drove the regular Turbo. This is the capsule review I wrote:
Kia Optima SX Turbo: The stylish Optima is aimed at the mid-sized sedan market, and pretty much hits its mark. It is handsome, relatively quick, and packed with features that were only found on the most expensive luxury cars a few years ago. Voice activated navigation, heated/cooled/seats, the SX has them all. I was especially impressed by the interior(Kia hired away one of Audi's chief designers and the result is evident here). EPA mileage is 22/34. Best of all, the Optima Turbo costs less than $31,000, and comes with Kia's 10 year/100,000 mile warranty. Be aware, that the Optima is not a sports sedan, but having said that I'd note that it is no less fun to drive than the new BMW 528i- which is certainly no sports sedan either.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Sure it's older brother Optima drove nicer, it does have the larger 4 banger and didn't want for more power. Accelerating onto the expressway was effortless with a pleasant growl from the engine. It had everything the Rio had plus a power drivers chair, so I was one happy camper. I definitely can't wait to get a chance to do one of the longer runs to Tampa very soon. Have become addicted to Sirius/XM and having no commercials is just the icing on the cake. Owning any Kia product should be a very positive experience as I think they've found the secret to building comfortable affordable vehicles that the consumer wants. And to get all the goodies as the mjor players have for a lower price point is the smart move. I give Kia/Hyundai high marks for finally giving the consumer great value for the buck at entry level prices...it works for me!
I still do love my Civic but the bar has been raised and I can't wait till I'm able to swap out into a new vehicle. With the valuable knowledge I'm getting now, it'll be interesting to see what I plunk my money on for the next Sandmanmobile!
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Now, it does have 166K on it, but was well kept and the interior is like new (a testament to the quality of the materials) but the difference in feel and features to even a basic new car is drastic.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
so spending say $30 instead of $10 to get much better pads, same cost to install, seems like a deal to me.
just make sure that it is better performance you are spending on, not just longer life, since in your case, that does not seem like it would matter much!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
Well, you can add the heated seats without affecting the reliability of the car. Adding 100 bhp might create some durability/drivability issues, though!
The V gets real pricey with the pano because you have to go all in. Those are $35k. I guess a loaded Odyssey is $10k more than that but I associate fuel economy with value and by mid 30s that erodes. If I had to give up the van and the Miata that would make more sense.
CT is interesting, it's small like the C but has the more substantial engine from the big one. The back seat is tiny, is it's a hard sell to the family. It would seem to combine the things I want. Maybe a CPO when gas prices are low, because prices plunge. Small moonroof though.
It's funny, on car gurus I've seen prices fluctuate $1500 up and down in a matter of days. Consumers are hysterical and overreact I guess.
Time it right, buy low and later on sell high, and you might not see any depreciation at all.
I don't think the Kia's cooled glove compartment was common.
There was a surprise every where I looked. It totally exceeds expectations.
To be honest I'd probably pick a loaded Optima over a CPO CT, they cost roughly the same.
Unless you were expecting 40 mpg and were only getting 34. True of some Fords as well right now.
That's the other nice thing about your gig - you aren't buying the gas. :-)
Bonus for me - gas tank capacity is best in class at 18.5 gallons, so great range.
Weird because the Elantra GT gets it.
The only 3 "honest" brands were Mazda, Subaru, and VW, by that metric. Each exceeded EPA projections.
That's one of the reasons I looked at the Mazda3, Impreza, and Golf TDI.