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GM set their sights too high and forgot how bad they burned consumers. I read somewhere that Buick touts the average age of their buyer has decreased. Typical GM thinking, so what if you decreased age by 5 years, appeal to younger consumers with the Regal/Verano or you'll be bankrupt again. No one under 60 who is looking for an entry level luxury car will cross shop Buick with an Acura, Infiniti, Lexus, etc. Forget what Buick WAS and build a better brand to get the consumers you're targeting.
Not to mention a Civic will be worth a few times more than a Buick in 5-10 years.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
There was an article on TTAC today about this very sort of issue:
DLO fail
A nice car, but well-equipped, gets in the neighborhood of legitimate premium brands, and that's dangerous.
Also agree that GM needs to make cars the public wants to buy...good looking, economical fun vehicles that show quality like Lexus, Acura and the other imports. The, and only then will GM, Ford and Chrysler become the company's that they can be. It's doable, absolutely!
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2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
When the itch becomes too great let me know, I want your Civic.
Like I said, the Dart drove nicely and was somewhat comfortable. Not sure I'd buy one except if the price was such that it would be a no brainer. Even the mini van I drove the other day was a comfortable driver, smooth and all but a bit top heavy and when I took one to Tampa and it was windy, just didn't like the way it got pushed around on the interstate. But great seats and nice fabric make for a comfortable seat. The real sleeper of the bunch has been the Chrysler 200...I had a top of the line one on Friday and it was very impressive to say the least. Even the two other mid level one's were very nice...comfortable, smooth and great acceleration put a smile on my face...it drives like a much larger vehicle. Waiting to try the mid sized Dodge Avenger and it's siblings. Someone else got to it before me on Friday but hopefully I'll get a turn very soon. Again, these domestics are not something I'd look to purchase unless the deal was such that it would be so stupid not to, meaning if the car sold for a ridiculous discount. Let's be honest, any vehicle can get ya from point A to point B...it's the creature comforts that make it what it is, and of course the way the vehicle rides.
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2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
IDK I found the Lacrosse was more car and had equal interior materials and refinement than the previous generation ES. It was every bit if not quieter and the technology was pretty much equal. The Lacrosse also is larger inside.
I do prefer the Toyota 3.5 to the Generals 3.6. It is just a tad nicer at high RPM and makes a little more torque down low.
I haven't been in the new ES yet, so I can't comment there.
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Both companies need to build a game changer and neither of them have that in the works. Put today's equivalent of a 1961 Continental or a late '60's Eldorado on the market and they might have a chance. The ATS might be a step in the right direction but it's throwing water at a forest fire.
And while I get cashing in on brand heritage, a Regal wasn't the pinnacle of GM's success for today's market. Who draws on experience and aspires to buy a Regal??
It's a tough road ahead for GM but they can't blame anyone but themselves. If you know how to build a good car, which they might, then get a marketing department who can persuade buyers to come back. The brand equity is long dead, they have to reinvent themselves. It doesn't matter if you have a great product if no one knows about it.
Perception is reality, like it or not.
Liked the Lacrosse we looked at yesterday...had a classy looking dash and nice looking fabric. A big car for sure but between that and an Es350, no question I'd go with the Lexus in a heartbeat...it just says "class" so much more than the Buick and it's probably put together with more care. We used to be a Toyota family, had four over the years, and loved them all. It's just that the other guys caught up in quality and refinement so we jumped ship. Now we go with whomever has what we are looking for. And right now value, great mileage and the best warranty are what we want but not in that specific order. As we discussed at dinner earlier, the Mazda stays as long as it behaves...she won't buy a 2013 model so we have to wait. If the a/c goes, then I have to fix it as she's decided not to use the kid's Accent for a long period of time. So it'll have to be fixed which just means the car stays that much longer and maybe she'll go for a 2015 and we'll see 200k on the clock. Wouldn't be the worst case scinerio(?) in the world and this way we'd save more cash. But time will tell and we'll buy when and what kind when she decides, not me.
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2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
I was busy playing Legos with my son today when an ad for the new Buick Encore (crossover) came on. I wasn't paying attention until I heard the announcer saying it's a new kind of luxury crossover yada yada yada. When I looked up to see what they're talking about I almost lost it because all I saw was a bloated hatchback with chrome wheels and Buick grille. Definetly not something I'd want at any price. Looks very cartoonish:
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2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
You mention "fabric" I don't think it is fair to compare what apparently is a base model LaCrosse to a high line PIII/Touring model. There is a big difference.
Lexus makes a fine automobile, no doubt. I've owned my share of Toyotas and all served me well. IMHO the LaCrosse is a better car (and a much better value) than the outgoing ES. The new ES has probably caught up, but I haven't compared it. I know that Lexus better be careful as from what I'm reading both here on Edmunds and elsewhere is that they have firmed up the ride quite a bit. There are some loyalists who are not happy. Heck there is a member here who bought a 2013 Avalon (which ES is now based on) and traded it within a few thousand miles because of the harsh ride.
RE: Encore,
I have to agree on that particular Buick. I don't get it. If anything why didn't they just badge engineer the Equinox/Terrian/SRX into a Buick? They do it with everything else.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
But that transmission, as good as it is reported to be for performance, scares the hell out of me for the frequency of clutch changes (every 20k!). Why can't I find one like this with a stick? Arg!
And, believe it or not, that one is still overpriced. I should be able to score that for $22-23k. And that is the cheapest one I found with those miles. Others were $30k.
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I think it's those enormous rims they're putting on these cars. Totally unnecessary.
It could be, but my LaCrosse has 18" 50 series and rides pretty smooth. I do agree for most 4 door average sedans 17" should be plenty.
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23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
I assume you are talking about just this forum. But laughed at? really?
It does make me wonder what my relatives would think. As soon as people say it, I'd pretty much be jumping right in with "you wouldn't believe how cheap they are!"
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I'm referring to running costs.
Like I've said, with the "new-to-me" 335xi, the 530i is sort of redundant in purpose, and I would like a hatchback or small SUV instead. But, I'm finding myself a bit sentimental about the 5. Other cars I've sold - the A5, GTI - are easily replaced in the event I changed my mind. But finding another E39 manual/sport pkg in the condition of my car probably won't happen again.
I'm probably just being dumb and overly sentimental about a car, but nothing wrong with holding onto it a while longer - perhaps the Denver Auto Show at the end of the month will make me change my mind.
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Would it replace the 135i? Forget about being anonymous anymore.
2024 Audi Q8 e-tron - 2024 Corvette - 2024 BMW X5 - 2023 Tesla Model Y
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
The boss saw all this so he called me over and put me into an Altima and just said not to get shook over it...he's a really cool guy to work for. Had my aux cable so had good tunes the way over which put me into a better frame of mind. Car drove very nicely and the few times I got up to past 90, the car performed like a champ...no shaking or loss of traction though the car had just over 24k on the clock. The only thing it needed, badly, was an alignment as the steering wheel was cocked to the right a bit and not straight as I prefer. Nissan did a nice job with these and am looking forward to driving a new 2013 model for a longer road trip. Weather was picture perfect and the rest of the day went great. Was very happy to get the gig. Have also applied for a similar job at another company as I hear they are going to do theirs in house very soon...not good for our company which will mean less work. I have to look out for my future and personally, I'd like a more defined schedule with set work days and hours so I can really have a life. We shall see how this all pans out. This is a business I'd like to stay in with more hours and a set schedule. As I always say, "life is timing...what's meant to be will happen"!
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Well, yes, it would have to. And that's the toughest part. As I've said to the wife, I could only trade the bimmer for something real special, like a Porsche or Maserati. But, hell, I've got a whole stack of mods waiting to be put on the 1er this month before my next track event 4/8-4/9.
boom - i guess it depends on how much you drive it. The life of the clutch ranges from what I've found. Folks report 20k up to even 40k, although the lower seems to be the more common. I don't think anyone is putting 20k per year on their maserati, but I could be wrong. I've put about 1k per month on average on my 1. Even at every other year, its an expensive proposition.
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Yeah, that's exactly why I'm thinking now would be a good time to go ahead with selling the 530i. Sounds like the market is prime for sellers right now.
We'll see - it's just a matter of time as gradually psych myself up for it.
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Congrats, Boom. I have to think you have successfully convinced Q out of a Maserati. You've certainly convinced me.
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
Just about my favorite color combination, and the price seems reasonable. I have a CCA buddy in the vicinity who has bought a few cars from that dealer and has offered to check it out as well as find out how firm that price is...
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I do like the red interior.
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
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2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
Just check the in service date to see how much warranty, if any, is left. It is due for plugs at 45k, which will be covered under the free service if still within 48 months. With 19.9 mpg average showing, its definitely been run hard. Also, those are the same silly putty wheels mine came with. Be prepared to replace those with aftermarket wheels when they crack/bend. And, last but far from least, it is going to need a carbon cleaning of the valves. Again, if under warranty, there is a small chance you could get that covered if you make nice with your service advisor.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
My GLI seems to be missing the key for its wheel locks. Hope they can get that straightened out at the follow-up service visit they scheduled for me this Saturday.
Also, they aren't that secure. A true thief will just get a master set like the dealers have and steal the wheels anyway.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
How To Remove Wheel Locks Without a Key
http://youtu.be/mJUUyjJqk5A
The hard part is separating it afterwards. With half a million views, every car thief in the whole world knows how to get around them.
Promise I only "stole" my own rims.
If a professional thief wants your wheels, the whole car, or to enter your house. There is no stopping them, only slowing them down.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2020 C43; 2021 Sahara 4xe 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i; 2018 330i xDrive
I checked tire rack, costco, and a local Good Year place that I've used before. They were all basically the same price, so I stuck with the local guy. As of this afternoon, I'll be $900 poorer (including mounting and balancing) :sick: .
Interesting side note. I purchased a set of 18" tires for my Mom's 2011 Cayenne that actually came out to be less expensive than the 17" Michelins I'm buying for my wife's Pilot.
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