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Any downside to buying a hybrid?
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And one inch less rear leg room than my CR-V, which can be had well equipped at 22K, and has 33 cu feet behind the seats. Not sure I see the point here.
But of course the Prius gets far better MPG. Each vehicle class has it's own defining characteristics.
For me, I need that larger rear cargo area, and use it all the time with 4 people in the car. So a Prius would not do for me. It is a "downside" for the Prius, though the HH or Escape Hybrid would suit my needs. But the other thing I don't need right now is a new car payment! When one compares hundred$ of dollar$ per month vs. a less fuel efficient car that is paid for, the "hybrid premium" becomes rather large.
You have no idea what you are talking about...the base Prius is about 21-22,000 ..Substract 7,500 and it is much less expensive then the base Excape.
Of course my example was a loaded up Prius...and you try to compare that to a base Ford Excape. What is your point?
For over 10 years with an avg 12000 miles/year (guessing what most ppl drive):
Total cost = [car price] + ((120,000/[combined MPG]) x [Gas Price])
Plug in your graphing calculator:
1. Y=reg car price+((120000/combined MPG)*X)
2. Y=hybrid price+((120000/combined MPG)*X)
X stands for gas price and Y is total cost (if you haven't already figured it out). Where the two equations intersect, you get the gas price that would equal out the cost (at least the gas). The result for Accord 4 cyl vs hybrid scenario ended up being gas prices would have to be $10.38!!!! That is never going to happen anytime soon. However, comparision of the 6cyl and Hybrid shows $4.78. That's a little more reasonable price in the somewhat near future.
Plus the hybrid has potential issues regarding the battery pack in the long run. So the lesson is that a hybrid doesn't equal savings at least all the time. I guess if you drove like 30+K miles a year, there might be a use in a hybrid, but for most people, it's not worth it. Just buy a 4cyl and you should be set for the decade.
Please actually read a post before replying to it, I never compared a Prius (fully loaded or not) to an Escape. FWIW I never made comparisons between any two vehicles in the original post or any follow-up post. The $7,500 figure comes from comparing the same vehicle, not two different vehicles.
Please don't put words I never said in my mouth.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
That being said in many cases people are paying above sticker price for hybrids and most people pay under sticker for non-hybrids causes the tax credit in many cases to be eliminated.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
A comparably equipped EX (The best comparison to an HCH) cost about $17,300.
My algebra shows the difference of $1,200.
My tax credit came to $2,000.
The regular Civic gets mid-high 30's MPG if driven carefully but if I'd have bought one instead then I'd have likely seen low 20's MPG given my old aggressive style.
I'm currently doing low 60's MPG in my HCH, but had mid-upper 60's all summer..
Grand Caravan went from 16-17 to 21-26MPG as a direct result of owning our hybrid. (Learning how to drive correctly)
Time to get your graphing calculator out again.
This can be both plotted and put in a spreadsheet format.
Suggestion: name all the variables.
-The prices of the cars can change due to revisions ( Prius in '06 ) or market conditions: y1, y2, etc and yH.. Todays prices arent next June's prices for example
-The Tax Credit ( Cr ) may be a temporary variable only in '06. Who can tell
-The 120000 10 yr mileage figure is an average but it should be a variable also. For example, at what total milage will the graphs intersect? It also allows for other milages in 10 yrs. I will drive just under 500000 miles in 10 yrs. YMMV LOL
Eg: No of yrs is ' t ' and Ann Miles is ' L '. In your example t=10 and L=12000
-mpg1, mpg2, etc and mpgH are separate variables for each vehicle compared.
-Price of gas ( G ). It's a variable but it's the same in both equations.
Now with all the variables one can do different simulations with two or more equations:
A) ICE vehicle1 TC1 = y1 + (( t*L)/mpg1)*G
ICE vehicle2 TC2 = y2 + ((t*L)/mpg2)*G
C) Hybrid vehicle TCH = ( yH-Cr ) + ((t*L)/mpgH)*G
thanks for a very interesting post.. LOL off to Excel now.
If it is not an official IRS pronouncement they are just estements and may not be correct. Yet they will still be good for comparisons.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
That should be an easy task, since the diesels of today (available elsewhere) already leave the hybrids in the dust.
You didn't print that with a straight face, did you ....? .
The name of this subject is: Any downside to buying a hybrid? ......
You're singing to the choir on this one ..l.o.l...
Terry.
Why bring my wife into this. Run out of facts already.
You have me mistaken for someone else.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Of course not. What makes you think that.
TEN WEEKS BABY!!!
I take it you don't actually read my posts....LOL
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
You still havent shown me that you know even a little abt the Prius except what you hear and what it brings in the lanes. The specific questions I've posed to you have either been ignored or answered with offhanded non-sequiters.
'Fess up now, Terry. Your 7 stores are Used Car stores with nary a Toyota store amongst them so your acces to Prius knowledge is secondary at best except for what they bring in resale which is your area of expertise.
No offense taken. Actually, it is rather funny you say that, because I feel the same way about the Prius styling. Eye of the beholder and all that, I suppose.
I don't agree with your opinion of the new RAV4. With the larger engine, it gets worse gas mileage. The advantage it used to have over the CR-V was size and smaller engine.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I thought I posted about gas mileage in hybrids, considering the topic is: "Any downside to buying a hybrid?" ... maybe I misread it.
To answer your question, there is 7 new car stores .. but thats not what this topic is about ..
This topic is about hybrids, not just about Toyota, not about me and certainly not about Kdhspyder ...... hybrids are good vehicles for the right people, some better than others, some work and some break, some get 45 mpg and some can even get 50 mpg with the right driver and with the right driving circumstances ....
Then again, some only get 35 mpg, like in Michigan in the cold winters and some in the southern states get even less, depending on if it's 95 degree's or 105 when the humidity has been 90%+ for the last 2 weeks ... but if you were a good car man, you'd know this. ....... how about if we do this, if anyone has any questions we can just call your employer and ask him .. he probably doesn't appreciate you using his computer on business time, especially since you need to be selling something to someone, cuz' you're just a salesman --- most folks here are pretty savvy, I'm sure they'll figure it out on their own.
If your employer had any faith and trust in you .. they would probably let you go to an auction here and there and let you see what is there for their inventory, but obviously they don't .... if they had any faith and trust in you, they would let you look at the auction reports and you could see how many hybrids (including Prius) that travel through, but obviously they don't .. .. see, you would know this if you had any experience, obviously you don't.
Terry.
I work my own hours, thank you, since retiring from my job selling steel to the automakers and others. Now I mostly play poker and its no secret that I work for Toyota selling specifically the Prius. I've disclosed it many times. Today it's from home.
hybrids are good vehicles for the right people, some better than others, some work and some break, some get 45 mpg and some can even get 50 mpg with the right driver and with the right driving circumstances ....
Then again, some only get 35 mpg, like in Michigan in the cold winters and some in the southern states get even less, depending on if it's 95 degree's or 105 when the humidity has been 90%+ for the last 2 weeks .
Thats a more coherent explanation than your original off handed ' in the tall 30's..' but far from complete because even in the extremes you mention its the length of the trips more than the temps that effect the mileage. but you knew that I'm certain.
The Manheim online reports are available anytime I want to log on... but thanks for the suggestion.
So how can you save enough money to buy a prius?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
So that makes you even more biased than the average Toyota sales person. The two times I have gone to test drive the Prius II the salesmen tried to sell me a Camry. Once in Hawaii and once here in CA. Both laid out the same facts of how an entry level Camry would save me money over a Prius. Almost like it was a scripted sales pitch. I wonder if that is part of their training. I will try a third dealer in the next few weeks and see if the sales pitch has changed. Short supply may be the biggest downside to even thinking about buying a Prius. The other hybrids seem easy to find.
Gary, that's easily explainable and not at all surprising. The salesperson makes a higher commission on the Camry sale. Nothing conspiratorial or shady about - it's called GREED.