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As for RAV, heck, they actually advertise the "star safety system" on the SUVs, yet don't include these airbags as part of that system. That is hype taken to an extreme, I would say.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Second, have you tried going through the 'Build your Toyota' section of the Toyota website to find something similar to what you are seeking? The only items I see on your list which are factory items are the ABS and the JBL sound system; the rest are dealer add-ons. If you can live without the JBL system, then all you really need to locate is a Corolla with ABS.
I found probably a half-dozen cars with ABS locally (Corolla LE w/ automatic and virtually all your other add-ons as well) in about 5 minutes using Toyota's website. Of course, I don't know how choosy you are regarding color - most of the one's I found were silver.
And for WHATEVER reason, Toyota seems reluctant to offer more cars with what more and more people consider to be BASIC safety features (ABS is about as basic as it gets; why this is not an extremely common 'option' is beyond me).
My wife and I had that problem when we were cross-shopping the Sienna with the Odyssey. We really wanted the side/curtain airbags and the traction/VSC on the Sienna. Unfortunately, it seemed like only around 5% of the cars were equipped that way. We ended up going with the Odyssey because these features were standard and we had no problem finding EXACTLY what we wanted.
Have you considered the Mazda3? Personally, if I were in the market for a small sedan, the Mazda3 would be at the top of my list (and I've owned nothing but Toyotas and Hondas for the last 10+ years). The reason I throw that out there is that the Civic is brand new this fall and I'm not sure how well the dealers will negotiate on them right now.
As I understand it all Corolla's are in short supply everywhere due to the sudden surge in fuel prices. We normally have 30-60 on hand all the time. Last weekend we had 6.! 20-30 arrived this week. They likely will be gone by next weekend.
As a consumer and driver of a LOT of miles I am with you about standard safety features. Gimme everything. But there are two mitigating factors:
1) the sudden surge in deliveries has emptied the supply pipeline. My guess is that production at the factories has said something to the like of 'build them all the same and get them out to the stores NOW!' On a production line modifications mean less efficiency and lower output. Right now I'd guess less output is a Mortal Sin.
2) It is still a fact that the largest segment of the US market for economy vehicles is extremely price sensitive. This group does not want power windows but they do want power locks ( CE ), they do not want Man Tranny or floor mats either. And in the 20-30 Corolla prospects I speak with each week possibly one every other week asks for ABS/S&CAB. If there is an LE next to the CE and the LE has ABS/S&CAB most buyers will gravitate to the CE due to the price.
Toyota rarely misses the mark in its marketing. It even discovers new segments that others overlook entirely; e.g. crossover UTEs, Hybrids, Scion. The Marketing Dept IMHO does listen... but... it goes for the heart of the market where all the volume is. In another forum I posted an interesting fact about the present generation Corolla. Back in '01 before the new model came out the vehicle managers promised Top Managment at Toyota that this model would finally outsell the Civic. As of Sept '05 YTD sales of the top 8 veh are
1 F150
2 Silverado
3 Camry
4 Ram
5 Accord 293000 units
6 Corolla 265000
7 Civic 234000
8 Altima 205000
The Corolla is poised to pass the Accord too. Marketing found a 'sweetspot' and hit it... unexciting as it is.
As an other poster stated I believe I heard that there was too much going on in MY 2006 especially with the Camry. The Camry was moved up into the Corolla's place for renewal in Feb 2006 as an '07 model pushing the Corolla back a year.
I've heard that the new model will have the Avalon/Camry look but other than that the specs are pure speculation:D. The pricing seems sure to be unchanged because the Yaris/Scion support the bottom side while the Base Camry occupies the upper end.
I'd expect that S&CAB would be standard on all models. I'm not certain abt ABS but again production efficiency enters here. It is much more efficient to make all models with ABS and S&CAB as long as the market will accept them. This includes those that still believe that ABS is useless and that Airbags kill and should somehow be able to be disabled.
FWIW from another view.
kdhspyder
'00 Camry ( 4th Gen )
'03 MR2
'04 Highlander V6 4WD
I do see Toyota offering a four sedan initially, then shortly after offer a wagon derivative that replaces the Toyota Matrix. Hopefully, the biggest improvement will be a 1.8-2.0 liter I-4 engine that revs cleanly all the way the redline with a wide torque band; they really need to compete against the 8th-generation Honda Civic models.
Anything's possible. But I think I'll need a small car because my wife for some reason has not gravitated towards her Infiniti.
She seems to like the small car manuverability the Civic offers.
out until next year.
The present 2006 Corolla is unchanged from the 05 model. However, I did
ready in www.nctd.com car test review, that one feature they hated for
the 06 Corolla is the car beeps when you put the car in reverse.
Looked at an '06 last night, had the moonroof and curtain airbag package with ABS and the CD changer, manual shift for an $18,2 sticker. That is getting up there. I got my RSX for $19K two years ago. A new '06 Civic EX wouldn't cost much more, and would have everything but the 6-disc. With more power and fully independent suspension. And better fuel economy!
Toyota should definitely make the safety equipment standard for the '08 Corolla that it is apparently NOT going to make standard on the '07 Yaris: side airbags and curtains, and ABS. But it also needs to make sure the price doesn't jump up too much, so it has a two-pronged dilemma. For now, the Civic seems like a much better deal (once the initial frenzy is over and dealers are dealing again) than th Corolla.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
well......... good luck and i hope ya get a really nice toyota .
tommie2
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Could anybody share some idea/experience with me and what has been done before i go to the dealership because the last time i dropped by the dealership, they said it's normal because it's new and even told me to wait for the next 6 months after the brake-in period and we''ll see.
i'm sorry to admit sometimes the dealership made you paranoid, whether are they telling you the truth and helping you out,...or they are just after the deal.
Try posting over in the mainstream Corolla board. You'll get more responses, a quicker response, and better advice.
deagled, "Toyota Corolla Owners: Problems & Solutions" #1, 10 Mar 2002 1:24 pm!make=Toyota&model=Corolla&ed_makeindex=.ef0a161link">
http://motortrend.com/future/concepts/112_0509_toyota_corolla/
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I recognize that Toyota may ignore the need for a more powerful AWD Corolla - not likely to sell volumes. When I commence my next round of shopping my current allegiance to Toyota may wane even as Honda lost me on the Accord/Civic redesigns (I like the 06 Civic SI though)
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The Civic SI exterior is the same almost as the Coupe, except the rear spoiler wing is larger. I like my 06 Coupe designe, but will move over to a 2008 or 09 corolla if they are equal or better than the civic and maybe have the hybrid model.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I'm considering buying a new 2006 Toyota XRS.
I'm interested in your comments and would appreciate
a reply specificly on the car's performance.
I've read that the XRS's 164 hp engine's power
doesn't kick in well until the higher rpm range.
I plan to test drive an XRS soon.
Is this your experience?
Anyone else who has an XRS, feel free to chime in
with your opinions.
Are you satisfied with the car's power?
I would think with 164 hp, the XRS should be
quite a bit quicker than the base Corolla.
I drove a Mazda 3S; liked it but dealer location
is inconvenient. Enjoyed driving the Focus ZX4 ST
with the 151 hp engine, but I'm leary of Ford
reliability.
Your thoughts?
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My guess is that we'll see a new Corolla in late Fall of '06 or Spring of '07 as compared to a later date. Although, this is tricky to figure out since the redesigned 2003 Corolla went on sale in March of 2002.
~alpha
I am sure you can make substantial changes to the front and rear fascia in six months, since they are basically plastic. With the new Yaris sedan looking so much like a miniature Camry, they might be changing Corolla to look a little different, so it is not just a Yaris clone from the first day.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
That's the new Corolla.
I heard it will have 2.0L 160 or 165 hp.
It is in the second pictures. confirm by japanese news....
That's the new Corolla.
I heard it will have 2.0L 160 or 165 hp.
If anything, an engine with 160 horses might be optional, like it is in the Mazda 3. Otherwise, I expect the performance bogey will be the Civic, which has significantly improved performance from its 140 horse 1.8L, along with top-tier fuel efficiency.
~alpha
I would be very surprised if they went with 160 hp standard. The Yaris will still use the 105ish hp 1.5 from the Echo, I believe. That would be an awfully big jump from one model to the next.
However, the VVTL-i 1.8 from the old Celica GTS that the current Corolla XRS uses will have to go, as it is too smoggy for new standards. So if they continue the XRS trim, I could see them using the next-gen Camry 4-cyl as the power booster for the faster trim line. That would be fun, with decent fuel economy also.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
This does not bode well for the new Corolla.
If the Corolla jumps up a half size (after all Toyota has nothing between 91 and 103 cubic ft) then I would not mind a very slight decrease in fuel economy.
~alpha
Shift it using 2-4-6 gears and get 42 mpg...push the pedal down and rev it up...and go get some more gas!
Take a look at it from the back and decide it the narrow stance is for you...the Civic has a Wider Stance and looks better...will you need the back seat for passengers? And the Civic has an awesome sound system if you go for the SI coupe
good luck drive careful
The larger and more powerfull Corolla is 32/41. The even larger and even more powerfull Civic is 32/40 (with an automatic). You should gain something noticeable in mpg by downsizing to the Yaris.
The Honda Civic was 36/44 in HX trim, and that was as much as 6 years ago.
Don't even get me started on diesels! Jetta 42/49. etc. etc.
I think Toyota and others don't want to encroach on their hybrids, so there is less incentive to really push the mpg on non hybrids.
The person you talked to at the plant was full of it.
The XRS has the same powertrain as the Celica GTS. The Celica GTS punches a smaller hole in the air. The Celica GTS is aerodynamically drag-limited to a top speed of around 130mph....which actually occurs in 5th gear (shifting into 6th results in a drop in hp and a drop in speed). I know; I've had a Celica GTS 6sp since November of '99. (BTW - the speed indicated by the speedo is more than a bit optimistic).
Since the Corolla XRS punches a bigger hole in the air than the Celica, and has slightly less hp, I have a REAL hard time believing the Corolla XRS will go anywhere CLOSE to 150mph.
Personally, I'd believe a top speed closer to 125.
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Actually the civic automatic 06 model gets 30 city, 40 highway, not 32 city