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Hyundai Sonata vs. Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry vs. Ford Fusion
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But you can't beat the Hyundai's value these days. The only glaring fault I have with Hyundai is the fact that you can't get a manual on anything but the GL models (that's not an issue for the MAJORITY of buyers in this class) and the interior is subpar in design IMO.
But other than that, I like the Sonata just fine...but the Accord has always been my pic.
I'm actually looking for an Accord now. I was in yet ANOTHER wreck (a girl hit me in my 1991 Honda Accord and its totaled) so I've gotta find a replacement for it.
I'm looking at 96-97 EX models now.
That must be some view. Can your Sonata travel forward in time to a year where it has more "panache" than the Accord ? (like 2012 maybe)
Anyway, the Sonata has come a long way and I'm looking forward to the next generation (as well as the 8th-gen Accord).Unlike some Sonata/Accord owners, I try to keep it real. :shades:
Why do I think the Sonata has more panache than the Accord? Classier exterior styling is the main reason, with a much bolder front end, an Audi-esque roofline, and little touches like the elliptical twin exhausts. I also prefer the lighter-colored dash of the Sonata to the black interior of the Accord. And I find panache in clever design details like the articulated trunk lid, Shiftronic automatics, and ESC on all models. Is that "real" enough for you? If not, too bad.
48% of prospective midsized buyers have heard positive things of the Sonata but won't come in to compare it;
12% will never consider it under any circumstance;
40% are open to trying it.
The stated goal is to be $4000 under Camry and offer nearly everything standard
October 05 9,676
October 04 8,589
CY 05 95,296
CY 04 92,454
That looks like they are selling to me. Keep in mind, 9700 cars in one month spread over the lower 48 means there still aren't a lot of the new model compared to other popular vehicles and this version has only been on sale in the US since May. Give them a year or so to reach a higher penetration level and then tell us how many you see(or don't see) on the road.
Been following the thread for a while, and man...! People think that politics can get heated and ugly! It seems to have turned into the "Backy and the Hyundai crew vs. the Honda guys w/ the Fusion and Camry people in (guys if you want to stop arguing my car is pretty good mode)" forum.
Everybody has the right to free speech but it discourages people from gleaning information from the forum because of the arguing....
just my .02 cents
killerpiece
BTW, if you want information on the cars, a better place to find it is on the discussions for each car, where people discuss the CAR and (usually) not "this car vs. other cars".
They're all good cars tho (altho the Fusion is too new to really tell yet.
killerpiece
Two posts but no contributions to the discussion. Are you interested in this discussion, or just like popping in to tell those of us who are interested in the topic how we should behave?
Drove a friend's fully loaded Sonata V6 few months ago, and think it's a viable, practical proposition. Firm, full seats, nothing jarring visually or otherwise with the dash or other interior areas. Ride is controlled but comfortable. Exterior is best dark imo until Hyundai achieves the styling and proportion astuteness of, say, Mazda.
It may not have the cachet of the Accord - yet - but it's probably just a matter of time (particularly if Hyundai starts to spend in racing development).
(keeping it "real")
Backy, take a chill pill and relax. I respect your opinions even if it doesn't seem that way. I just feel the Accord is better and I'm not alone. I'm glad Hyundai added VSC to all Sonata models since I hope this will lead to Toyota & Honda responding in kind with the next generations of their respective vehicles. Shiftronic - be honest with me, most people don't even use it, they just put the vehicle into "D" and drive (that's what a Hyundai dealer told me).
Hyundai targeted the Camry and they hit it dead-on with the new Sonata. That's a great achievement for Hyundai and they should be proud. Perhaps, in 5-10 years, I'll be driving the next-gen Sonata myself. I just don't feel that the current Sonata matches up as well as it could have with the Accord.
BTW, why did Hyundai have to target the Camry so perfectly and eliminate the folding side-mirrors ? I live in New York and need folding mirrors for my car elevator.
Peace.
If you want my opinion on the cars here you go.....
The Sonata, while greatly improved over the previous gen. car is a middle of the pack performer when comparing V6 models.
On interiors, the Accord and the Camry have better fit/finish and solidness then the Sonata, but the Sonata is better than the Fusion (so far).
In the exterior styling category, the Fusion takes top honors with the 06 Accord a close second. The Sonata ranks above the Camry here.
On the driving experience, the Accord edges out the Fusion (but I may change my mind with the new 3.5). The Sonata and the Camry come in behind them, with the Camry offering superior isolation and the Sonata offering the better driving experience of the two.
You wanted my opinion, you got it.... I originally refrained from giving it because I wished not to be labeled ANTI-Sonata.... because I'm not.... It just doesn't suit my tastes.
killerpiece
I am interested in this discussion....
If I wasn't, I wouldn't be posting....
I didn't post before because I was enjoying the healthy debate and I didn't feel the need to contribute. But, when the discussion turned from healthy debate to arguing I posted my opinion about it.
This might come up so I'll say it now....
If I had to choose right now I would put an '06 Accord in my garage.
killerpiece
It's interesting, though... when someone favors the Sonata, it's "arguing". When someone favors the Accord, it's "debating."
Please see this exemplary message:
Wow. Are there really people out there that would pick the Hyundai over the Honda? You gotta be kidding me.
-goodegg 11/8/05 4:09pm
What irritates me is the shallow oh-my-gosh-nobody-should-ever-pick-a-Hyundai-over-a-Honda/Toyota attitude exhibited by some people. I think a lot of people who support (and enjoy) Hyundai's efforts to improve their vehicles recognize that there are many situations/preferences of people that would be best to purchase a Honda or Toyota offering such as the Accord or Camry, however there is in general very little reciprocation from Honda/Toyota supporters to see that it can actually make sense for a person to purchase a car such as the Hyundai Sonata as their best option.
Interesting. One of my neighbors was widowed recently, and left in control of a large and reputable glass company in the B'ham area. She sold the company to her husband's former business partner, as well as sold her house to buy a newer one in a much more upscale neighborhood (Greystone, in case you are familiar with Birmingham). She traded in her Acura RL and her husband's Corvette, and bought an Accord EX-V6 Navi, which she said she got a $2,000 off MSRP (I think in the low 27s). It goes both ways, I guess.
You can be Mr. Negative all you like, explorerx4, please, continue on in you Honda bashing without bringing something else to the table. THANKS!
I agree the Sonata isn't on the wish list of all that many buyers yet. Based on those stats posted a few days ago, I think many people have a block about even looking at a Hyundai. So here's an idea: offer buyers a cash bonus if they test drive a Sonata and then buy a competitor within a certain time period, say 30 days. Make it substantial, at least $100 USD. That would be one way to bring people biased towards other makes into the showroom and at least give the Hyundai dealer a fighting chance. That might work better than offering such large rebates, since the problem isn't that people think Hyundais cost less than Accord etc., but many have the dated impression that Hyundais are junk. Even if fewer than 1 in 10 people who take the offer wind up getting a Sonata, it would cost the same to Hyundai as a $1000 rebate. And it would let Hyundai draw traffic to the showrooms while beginning to move pricing up. This is not a new idea, but I don't know that Hyundai has tried it before. It would also show confidence in their products. If it doesn't work out, they can withdraw it after a month or two.
I've seen past my misconceptions about current HonToy competition and I'm not looking back. The Sonata is a genuine pleasure to drive, as are models from Subaru, Mazda, Ford, Chrysler, and other most other mid-range providers. The marketplace is being flooded with quality sedans and we're all the beneficiaries. Now, instead of trying to find the "one good car," it's a matter of finding the best option for YOU. It's a great time to be a shopper in the sedan market.
You almost can't go wrong with most cars out there now anyway.
What do you base that statement on? The Fusion's interior is on par with or better than both Accord and Camry, as per most reviewers.
So how do you guys think Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, and Ford (Fusion/Milan) do in this department? For those who need this question re-iterated: Which make of car is in the shop more often for repairs.
And even though Hyundai has the longest warranty I think we can say there are lots of repairs a car will need that will not be covered by warranty.
-thanks
If you are referring to maintenance items, they typically aren't covered by any manufacturer's warranty. For maintenance items, I typically do those at the same intervals (in general) regardless of what brand the car happens to be. For example, I prefer to flush the automatic transmission every 30K miles. Some people, and automakers say 60K or 100K is fine, but I prefer 30K. So in terms of what car can get by with the least amount of maintenance is a moot point as far as I am concerned.
In terms of unexpected, un covered repairs (not covered by warranty), that is a crap shoot. Any car is capable of having these. Some people on this forum will tell you that Hyundai has a 60K bumper to bumper warranty and 100K on the powertrain, so it would minimize a lot of these. Other people will tell you that Hondas and Toyotas are "bullett proof" so they don't care about the Hyundai warranty.
So will I but to be honest its getting harder to find those 1967 Pontiac GTO's
I agree the Sonata isn't on the wish list of all that many buyers yet.
Give it time. My experience is that most of those who own or have driven a Hyundai for any period of time tend to fall in love with them. Most people who trash them really never give them a chance. Hyundai is starting to get a strong core following but I see it only growing slowly over the years.
As for your three series $30k is to much for me to pay for something that would just sit in the parking lot of the dealership.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
I believe the same. With the exception of one or two any car you get is going to give you many practically worry free miles. That being the case the Sonata has a major advantage with the lower price. Now more so than ever with the more powerful engine.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Lets see I have a hyundai with 130k on it, wife has one with 80k on it, daughter bought one and now has 70k on it her hubby bought one and now has 90k on it, my cousin has one with about 60k on it and my niece just bought one and has maybe 5-6k on it.
Total warranty repairs on all of these $0.00
total non warranty repairs on all of these $0.00
Gotta love those stats.
IMHO I believe that just about any car that is taken car of should be about the same.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Check C&D, they say the same thing....
I like the Fusions interior design, but the panel gaps are wider than the Accord/Camry, it's real close to the Sonata but not quite there.... I said "so far" because it may just be a first year issue.
killerpiece
I never said that....
Based on all my posts I have only implied that he is pro-Sonata!
killerpiece
Is there something wrong with Backy liking the new Sonata? The 06 sonata is an excellent vehicle which stacks up extremely well against the competition's current offerings. Although I still prefer my (05) Accord over the Sonata, I may have chosen the Sonata if the Accord had not been around (or if it had the Accord's interior and seats).
I need folding mirrors, a better interior (yes, I know this is subjective and the quality of the Sonata's interior more than matches the Camry, but that's how I feel) and a navigation system. I can't wait for Hyundai to bring back the folding mirrors (?) and add the navi option with the MMC.
Like I said in an earlier post, I think the Sonata will be successful, but perhaps not nearly as successful as the next-generation Sonata. The new Camry will make it difficult for Hyundai to sell their Sonatas to current Toyota owners despite the value/quality the Sonata represents. As for Honda owners...well you know. Most Sonata "conquests" will still come from the domestics.
I do want to thank Hyundai for providing the fire that should light up Toyota & Honda with their next-generation vehicles.
I guess I extrapolated my statement from your original assessment as follows:
"It seems to have turned into the "Backy and the Hyundai crew vs. the Honda guys w/ the Fusion and Camry people in (guys if you want to stop arguing my car is pretty good mode)" forum.
Everybody has the right to free speech but it discourages people from gleaning information from the forum because of the arguing...."
I guess the point I was trying to make was that I feel Backy usually makes astute and relevant comments that I don't classify as useless or prohibitive arguing. I will leave it at that as my post is now getting off topic and probably discouraging people from getting useful information.
I definitely agree the compeitition forces the car companies to one-up each other . . . and as consumers we are the biggest winners of all!
Ford makes a video, and in it the Fusion beats Accord and Camry. Imagine that!
Of course, given that there were just two car mags that rated the Fusion 2nd behind the Accord and over the Camry, it's quite possible for a series of tests to be designed to let the Fusion beat out both of them, depending on what the tests are and the equipment levels of the cars.
You came 5th to an old Neon, mid 80's Ford Escort, new Daewoo and a Mini? You could have just said you came last