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2008 Honda Accord Coupe and Sedan
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Smaller than my Accord and uses as much gas as my Sienna. :surprise:
Now if they would put a 4-cyl in the Mazda 6 that would make it palatable, but still smaller and less efficient than an Accord wagon would be.
I like wagons (prefer them to sedans), but the Mazda 6 misses the point.
You may not like it but at least tiny Mazda, with a measly 3% of the US market, sells a conventional wagon and hatchback in the US. Even if it is smaller and less efficient than the non-existant Accord wagon.
Yes, yes, I know the 4 provides enough power for almost all situations, and gets better mileage. Its neither right or wrong, it's just a personal preference = some folks like more power.
The big reason for the CRV using more gas is aerodynamics and shorter gearing.
Actually the CRV is quite practical and certainly better than almost every other SUV. It is just that the Accord wagon would offer all of that and so much more.
Wagons are quite close to sedans for aerodynamics. What kills SUV's is not just the high coefficient of drag, but the large frontal area that their upright posture gives them. The Accord sedan and wagon would have identical frontal areas.
Typically EPA numbers for sedans and wagons are the same.
I remain convinced that the only reason we don't have roads full of wagons and Hatches(like in Europe) is that car manufacturers can get away with selling SUV's to people here, and they (SUV's) are much more profitable (translation of more profit for car companies is less value for consumers).
Off soapbox.
Diesel Accord wagon - never happen, it just makes too much sense.
I would think the CRV is more of a civic wagon than Accord. The length is about the same as a civic and the wheelbase is shorter than a civic. I don't think the price would be as high as it is if most buyers viewed it as a Civic wagon.
I think the Pilot is more like the size that an Accord wagon would be and again, if most viewed it as an Accord wagon, I bet the price they would be willing to pay would be a lot lower.
Image is everything!
Funny because wagons have changed so much. There are some gorgeous wagons now. VW/Audi, Mazda6 and even the Subaru Legacy (not the Outback) and Volvo.
http://www.cardata.com/images/2007/Volvo%20V50.jpg
Just look at the lines on the wagon above - they just flow.
Yes, for my generation the wagon was your parent's car...the definition of the mom-mobile. Then the minivan was the next mom-mobile. For younger people today the SUV is the mom-mobile...even though their dads' thought they were buying a tough, manly truck .
Now we have the "new" concept called the "cross-over"...seems to me the Subaru Outback actually invented this quite some time ago, though. These are just a teensy bit higher than a conventional wagon.
So, an Accord wagon would be nothing like a CRV except perhaps in the number of shopping bags it would carry.
The 'savings' on your back by sitting higher could be offset by the laterals you're doing going thru turns.
Different strokes.
Feel free to kick us back onto topic, or a topic you desire!
Give us some information, and we will be glad to discuss it. Honda is very good at keeping things under wraps until one month before introduction of a new model. I think we will get next to nothing until August.
But at the same time, while you're technically right, I think it is still nit-picking. Personally, I pick up very useful information in the chit chat that have nothing to do with the new model. And really, it doesn't take that long to sift through it anyway. If we get too off track, the Host will gently remind us when it gets out of hand.
I'm quite confident once Honda decides to release the goods, which shouldn't be too much longer, the thread will have plenty of conversation concerning the new model.
Off-topic conversations may be interesting to those conducting them, but the lack of new info on 2008 Accords is no reason to clutter up this thread. There are plenty of other general chat opportunities on the forums. So please, continue to enjoy your discussions about other subjects, and pop back here when you have something to tell us about the '08 Accord. Catch you all later!
I agree and what some see as "off-topic" is not necessarily seen that way by others. For instance the CRV, etc. was related, in that it was started by discussion of "why is there no Accord wagon". Besides, discussing what is or is not off-topic, is itself off-topic and clutters up this thread :surprise: .
....in light of present (and projected) fuel costs, has the availability of VCM (w/6M in my case) caused any deep reflection within the student body?
Seriously, if the present V-6/6M combo is good for damn near 40 miles per gallon............(I've hit 39 twice on the interestate - - - sure I was trying - and held it under 70). At any rate, I say bring on the VCM - - - and any other techno provision that cuts the pain at the pump while preserving that wonderful V-6 acceleration potential........
best, ez..
Anyone else going to do about the same thing as me when the 08 comes out? What is your plan??
Why? Please explain the reasoning behind this.
1) e-mail a host if it's really bad.
2) post an on-topic comment or article link about the vehicle that would generate interesting conversation.
There is no #3 that includes complaining to your co-members... it rarely works, and it doesn't magically make members have more info about the vehicle.
Let's do try to keep focused on the 08 Accord and hop on over to the many other Honda-focused discussions for more general conversation.
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Of course it's hard to know since we haven't any info on specific model configurations.
eric29, "Honda Civic: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" #2460, 29 Nov 2005 12:15 pm
So, any interesting tidbits/rumors :confuse: about the upcoming 2008 Accord? What do you all think are the chances of getting climate control with out leather?
I think that post an interesting delimma, getting an 07 with a lot of discount and low money factor or waiting for an 08 knowing that one will have to pay full (or close to full) msrp and pay high money factor for the first 6-9 months. From a lease perspective, one can lease an 07 ex-l V6 with Nav for about 330 a months + tax or so with 600-700 drive off for 3yr/12k miles right now. For an 08, we will be lucky to be able to lease on for 450+tax with the same kind of equipment which will bump it up to Acura TL territory... I have an 04 EXL V6 and want to upgrade one with Nav. I can's see going to an 07 for a essentially same car. But I also can't see going to an 08 and pay the same kind of money as TL...What a bummer of decision...
-Rocky
You wrote "I have an 04 EXL V6 and want to upgrade one with Nav." If you don't already have one, you can buy a portable navigation system that will do fine on your 2004 vehicle until the 2008 prices start to come down. The Garmin nüvi series units are great.
Might as well just get a used or 2007 TL instead or just deal with not having nav for another year .
I hate the gay commercial so much I don't think I could own one without getting a mental image of the dork in my head. :P
-Rocky
Try that with a built in system!