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There is only 3,000 dollars of marketing support so the most you are going to see a dealer discount the car is 1,500-2,000 dollars under invoice.
but, do like my LR, hate looooosing money (value) on the car like that..period..
BEWARE OF THIS CAR!
Date Posted: 10/19/2007 By: mtd130 RATING:
DETAILED RATINGS:
Performance: 1 Fun-to-Drive: 1 Build Quality: 1
Comfort: 5 Interior Design: 5 Reliability: 1
Fuel Economy: 4 Exterior Design: 7
Vehicle
2008 Land Rover LR2 SE 4dr SUV AWD (3.2L 6cyl 6A)
Review
I bought this car and have had nothing but major saftey issue. It just died on me while I was driving before I had driven it 2000 miles. It got towed to the dealership and they had a software update for it. I then took it back and then less then a week, it died again. The tech at Land rover told me it was a "docking of the key" problem and it loses communicaton with the fuel line! No fix out there for this computer- key problem and yes there are getting more complaints about this issue. As of right now, I am not getting into this car.
When I took my car in for the 7,500 mile service, they did some sort of recall software update that had to do with the ignition, so I'm assuming that's what they were fixing. I haven't had that problem since my service.
That said, I still have my radio no-sound issue that LR is finally "aware of" and their engineers are working on a software update to fix it. I need to check my notes -- I am probably pretty close to, if not already qualified for, Lemon Law status. If that's the case, I'll give them one final chance to fix it during a non-scheduled visit. If they don't have a fix for it yet, I may get them to buy it back from me and take my money to BMW. I never had these kinds of problems with my 330Ci, and I was always treated like gold by their customer service department. LR service managers are usually nice, but nowhere near as pleasant and accommodating as BMW service managers.
The ONLY thing that might keep me from pushing the Lemon Law case is that the LR2 has absolutely the BEST sounding sound system of any vehicle I have ever owned. I've had high-end aftermarket systems that can't hold a candle to this system. Even the upgraded, 10-speaker Harmon Kardon system in my 330 wasn't nearly as clear through the spectrum when I crank the tunes as my LR2 system.
But then again, the LR2 system isn't much good when it doesn't work... we'll see.
Rob
No more SE's, I see that,
Again, my question is, will there be ANY LR2 , 2009 model?????????? If so, what will the changes be from the 2008 SE or HSE????
around this time last year people were ordering the 2008 which came out here in April....
Basically, my question for the forum here is: how statistically significant are the problems reported here (and in the other LR2 fora that I've checked)? I don't discount that a sudden ignition failure is potentially catastrophic, but I wonder if there is a reliable source for the number of incidents.
You can no longer order an SE. They are only bringing HSEs from now on.
We haven't had any LR2s with this supposed ignition problem at all. I almost wonder if something isn't getting lost in translation and this is really just the high tension fuel pump wire problem. We had a couple of cars with that problem but we caught all of them before they were delivered to a customer. What was happening was that on some cars the power wires to the fuel pump were routed in a way that caused them to be pulled taught in certain situations. When this happened it made the pump get confused and it thought you were out of gas. The pump shut it self off and then the engine died. You could restart the car a couple of minutes later and if the vibration of the pump and/or the vibration of starting the car had loosened the wire then the problem would not come back at least not right away.
We have had a couple of LR2s with the radio shutting off but the software updates fixed them.
1. If I dialed direct from the car I couldn't hear the phone ring and had a difficult time knowing if someone picked up the call. However, if I called using the voice dialing on my phone, I could hear the phone ring.
2. Once I turned off the car the phone would not work and the push button start does not have an accesory capability. So, to use the phone it seemed that the car engine needs to be on.
3. After the car was turned off, and I tried to access any feature like the phone book, last numbers dialed, etc., I would get a Please Wait... message, that lasted forever and wouldn't work.
4. It seemed that to use the phone I needed to pair my cell phone with the car WHENEVER I turned off the car. To pair the phone takes a few minutes and is annoying if needed every time.
I spent nearly two hours fooling around with the LR2's Bluetooth and became very frusted with using it. I wonder if looney loey had any of these or other problems, or if anyone else trying to pair up a similar PDA phone to the LR2 has had these issues. Please let me know if there is a work around or patch.
Without having some assurance this screwed up Bluetooth Phone from Alpine in the LR2 will work with a PDA phone, I can't see wasting a few grand for the Technology pacakge. Instead, I'd need to consider an aftermarket product from Pioner, Dual, TomTom, Magellan... I can't find an in dash product, but there's always the portable window mounts. If anyone has added a Bluetooth device to their LR2 for a Windows PDA phone, please let me know!
It is not statistically insignificant if the problem happens with your vehicle!
In terms of statistical polling, the sample size matters, as Brit pointed out. Also, the randomness of the sampling is prerequisite for valid polling and should be kept in mind when reading Forums messages.
Yes, people who experience a problem are more likely than those without the problem to report it since they are oftentimes looking for solutions or seeking commiseration. However, message boards are not formal polls and somewhat different principles apply. A major distinction is that a person reporting a problem receives instant feedback from other owners of a given model. The ensuing discussion frequently does put the problem into proper perspective. Brit himself just provided an example of that.
Then there is what may be termed "poll fusion" whereby the reporting of a problem prompts others to contribute more extensive "polling data" such as "My mechanic works with these cars all the time and tells me that the problem is rare/common ..."
Finally, a report about a particular problem will sometimes prompt others to jump in and corroborate the original report with their own experience. These are people who, for whatever reason, would not otherwise post a message in a Forum but find some comfort in knowing that they are not alone. I have lost count of the number of messages I have seen posted where someone proclaims "I thought I was the only one with such and such trouble ...."
So, while it is rather difficult to assign a number to "statistical significance" related to a problem disclosed in a Forum, it is possible to get some sense of it by paying attention to the discussion in its entirety.
tidester, host
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RIM came out with a patch that makes their phones work much better with the Land Rovers and Treo did something similar a year or so ago. If enough people use your phone eventually someone will come up with a patch to make it work better. If not well then you might be better off buying a more simple bluetooth capable phone just to use in the car.
EDIT:
There is accessory power with the LR2. Just press and hold the start/stop button for a couple of seconds without having your foot on the brake.
To put it simply, there is no relieable source for statistics yet. Its still too early. Next year, I'm sure Edmunds and Consumer reports will have numbers. But should you let that hold you back from a vehicle you like and fits your needs? I don't think so.
A few points to keep in mind: every vehicle in the world has issues. Especially in its first model year. And as you have seen, most folks on these boards post issues/problems looking for resolution. Thats human nature. But that is so few and far between. this vehicle is sold all over the world and considering how many have sold, the number of issues/problems I've seen are few and are between. That's my opinion. After 4000 miles and several months I have had absolutely no problems and my wife and I love it. We fight over who gets to drive it. The LR2 is an awesome vehicle. Volvo uses the same engine in its S80 and the terrain response system is also used by Volvo now, etc. etc.
Statistics? Is it going to be at the level of say a Toyota highlander? no. But then again, who cares? Your covered by a full 4 year 50k mile bumper to bumper warranty with full maintenance included. How could you go wrong? You could buy a $100k Porche Carrera and have tons of problems (which have very high failure rates BTW).
I have both a BS and MS in engineering and work in high tech and so by nature, I tend to over analyze everything and in this case it was an easy decision. Don't get stuck in "Analysis paralysis" worrying about failure rates, etc.
If you researched the LR2 you know it was built an is a balanced vehicle, not too soft like Lexux, not to hard like BMW and better off road capability. Once you get used to the racaro seats they are great. A car can not be everything to everyone but the LR@ fits us perfectly.
Every car can be nit picked. Go with your heart.
If you love it buy it.
It is a great car.
Small correction. The terrain response system is unique to Land Rover. What they share is the AWD system. It's made by Hladex from Sweden. The Haldex AWD system is used by several manufacturers and is considered to be very good.
Just want to Thank You for the "advice"...you make great sense. It is the vehicle I want. There is not an LR2 in my town or anywhere around, have never seen one on the road, that is one thing I like about it. I, too, over analyze everything, especially this, for many personal reasons I will not go into here, but my greatest concern is that it is a 5 hour round trip, to & from, the closest dealership...so if I were to get one with problems it would really be a lot of trouble, time, etc, if I was closer to one I would not be so worried about it.....all of the "basic" (chevy, ford, dodge, toyota, etc.)are in my town...anyway, as you said there is a 50,000 mile warranty, etc....I can't seem to convince myself not to get one know matter how many "cons" there are...I may wait a while longer to see if I can get a good deal on the HSE, want the Satellite radio, not expensive tech pkg.....wish they would throw in the towing pkg, & tinted front windows & sunroof.....wish you could make a deal on one for me.... but Thank You again for your valuable opinion. It has helped me.
I generally wait a year to buy a new model (but did not when buying my Mini, and that was a good experience).
It is now down to the LR2 and the X3. Decision time.
We just put some money down to hold a HSE stornoway grey with ebony with all three packages last weekend that will be delivered in a a week and a half. Whats funny is that we (my wife and I) came up with the same two choices.
We came to the decision to go with the LR2 for a few reason...
The automoatic transmission on the X3 seemed to have hesitation from 2nd to 3rd gear (something I experienced while test driving it, but didn;t think too much about). After looking on the X3 forum, I noticed that there were people mentioning that it was an issue and that even after the supposid "fix", it was still very apparent. Considering my wife will do the majority of driving with this car in traffic (1 hour each way every day to work), a hesitation and therfore a jerky ride didn;t seem to mesh well with my wife.
The X3 with the same features (navigation, adaptive lighting, cold-climate package would end up being around 12K more (or something like that). Couldn't see a huge excuse to buying it over the LR2.
The only outstanding questions I have about the LR2 is the "heresay" about Land Rovers always breaking down... An image I think they are trying to fix with this car. You might equate this behavior to that of the Jack-in-the-box/e.coli issues of a decade (or-so) ago. After the lawsuits were settled and new process' put in place by JITB, you could estimate that JITB was probably the safest fast-food place to eat after that. i am hoping the same thing is happening with Land Rovers new LR2.
I am also hoping and have seen that the HSE corrects a few small issues that the SE trim level had with it:
Dirty back window all the time: Fixed by "fin" on top of window to keep airflow and water from getting on the window
No Comparment in center consol: New small slider can conceal small object in center consol
Software issues are probably fixed on a newer model
And even though we could have gotten x-pricing on a SE, we bargained $500 off the HSE as they wanted to make our decision "easier".
ha.
Anywas, hpoe this helps
I'll post.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I can recall times when I wished that my Trooper rear wiper worked constantly like the front. However, I never thought for a minute that my safety was in jeopardy because of it.
My guess is that Land Rover will acknowledge politely, but this is not really any different than most other vehicles.
My $0.02.
Regards,
Tom
Second, why do you need to see crystal clear behind you every six seconds? Even if the rain is pouring down you will be able to see shapes and lights behind you which is all you really need to see.You can tell if a vehicle is behind you even with the rear window completely covered in water. You might not be able to tell what kind of car it is but you can tell it is a car.
This is probably the second stupidest complaint I have ever heard regarding Land Rovers.
I strongly disagree with british_rover: discussing Bluetooth connectivity problems in LR2 and LR3 with such a passion and length is indeed the silliest complaint: who in the world would buy such vehicles to hold a conference call or talk to your clients while climbing rocks, going through the mud, or fording rivers. That was the main reason for purchasing such vehicle, wasn't it? Otherwise, jump into BMW, Lexus, or Acura.
Matroskin
http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr111507.html
Too low of production and too new and its a Land Rover so they just ignore it. Look at the list of vehicles tested for Land Rover. They haven't tested ANY of the new Land Rovers. The Freelander was the last Land Rover they tested and that was a 2002 MY vehicle. The current Range Rover has been in the US for over five years now and does not have a single crash test listed for the US.
The federal government crash test is the same they don't have any Land Rovers listed on their website that are still in production.
Just go to the EURO NCAP website for crash test data. They are much more up to date then any of the US tests.
LR2 crash test It was the first Small SUV to score five starts on the NCAP test. The VW Tiguan now has done it as well but the LR2 was the first.
People do not by LR2s to climb rocks, forge rivers, or go through the mud on the phone. They troll the pavement looking cool while commuting 98% of the time. And they do it while talking on the phone much of the time.
Regards,
Tom
Up until this year address books wouldn't upload to the car from the phone. There are tons of phones that work just fine with the LR2 and not all of the phone compatibility problems are Land Rovers fault some of them are problems with either the handset maker or the wireless provider.
While I am sure the window will get water on it, the rate may be reduced to the point where the rear windshield wiper isn't such an ordeal anymore.
Granted, I have not tested it out, but seems like a logical rate limiter for water as it diverts water away from the windshield and it just drips off the spoiler.
I would however argue that it is not a safety concern... Seeing out your back windshield can be important, but as most moving trucks tell us... not necessary with side mirrors. Especially heated ones (assuming CCP package).
This obviously sounds like nick picking and that is only a good thing when you start thinking about what people are complaining about. Unless your in Seattle (or simlilar) where it rains/drizzles the whole winter... is this really a big deal? I live in Seattle and could really care less about the rear window wiper. Granted, we are getting the HSE in a week...