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I guess the information from the EPA which micweb posted in reply to your message doesn't count?? Oh, let me guess, they don't drive a Yaris so their opinions don't count.
Based on your problem with pent up hostility, your drop in mileage is most likely due to an aggressive driving style.
I do have a scanguage II, which helps me to save fuel.
I guess the information from the EPA which micweb posted in reply to your message doesn't count?? Oh, let me guess, they don't drive a Yaris so their opinions don't count.
Based on your problem with pent up hostility, your drop in mileage is most likely due to an aggressive driving style."
There, you see, dkarsh. Once again you offer nothing relevant. I came to the Yaris forum and requested information from other Yaris owners. Qualified input. Information copied out off of other websites, "opinions," and general yack yack does not address my question. I can get that anywhere.
Did you notice that 2 or 3 posters have dropped in with real life data that is relevant? If you look closely you might see that there is an intelligent, civil conversation taking place. But, again, you drop by to offer absolutely nothing but more provocation. And I'm the one with "pent up hostility"? I don't know what your problem is, but it must be hard to spell.
And, oh, if you seem to get great gas mileage on your Corolla it's most likely due to running your mouth more than you run your car. Now, go find somebody in your own family to lecture. (I'll bet they seem disappear when the hear you coming don't they? )
Oh well, I'm up to 3000 miles now. Looking forward to converting over to synthetic oil and hoping to see some impressive numbers once the weather breaks.
Yaris owners, I'm jealous of your average 10 mpg improvement on my figures. Enjoy the savings.
How come you fill up so frequently? Seems like you typically go to fill up when you've only used about seven gallons.
lucynethel: did you buy the new Accent hatch to replace your Yaris? Is your mileage a lot better now?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Mileage would depend more on the width of the tire. Wider tires would have more friction, lower mileage, but better handling.
A difference in overall height would change the speed on the speedometer and miles on the odometer, but would probably not effect the "actual" mpg.
OMG, osiris! That's 100K miles per year! How often does your employer buy you a new car??
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Funny how EPA info isn't good enough for you. Of course some actual Yaris owners would respond but that doesn't mean that other wouldn't also offer their experiences as winter weather affects ALL cars.
Let's also remember that you were the one who started this when you jumped down Backys throat for offering up his experience with winter driving. Someone who replies to a post trying to help doesn't deserve to get treated like you treated Backy. If Backy and other non Yaris owners shouldn't post in the Yaris forum, does that mean that, since you own a Yaris, you will stay out of all the other forums??
I've had a blast getting under your skin but it all could have been avoided if you were a little less abrasive in your replies to the non Yaris people who were just trying to help you. In any case, I've made my point and am done with this little back and forth. If it makes you think before you blast someone for trying to help you in the future, then it was well worth it.
'07 Yaris Hatchback Automatic
25.71
24.69
28.52
28.47
28.96
28.55
26.52
27.11
29.17
28.19
27.68
29.91
Total average is 27.79mpg. This includes stop and go traffic on my short commute to work, long hauls, etc. Doesn't fluctuate much at all. I start and stop at an easy pace but do have to drive above the speed limit to keep from getting anihillated on the interstate and turnpike. Located in Palm Beach County, Florida. Our only hills are the highway bridges. I run with air when it's hot. In our brief brush with weather that is not quite hot as summer (I hesitate to call it winter) I would drive with my windows down when in regular traffic but would put them up and use vent when at highway speeds. Never saw any of that reflected in the fuel use.
I took it in to the dealer to see if there was anything wrong with the car and they said no, ran it through the computer diagnostics and everything. I kept getting mixed message on whether modern engines still need a break-in time, whether fuel economy improves in time, how long it takes for the onboard computers to learn your driving style and adapt to it, etc. The dealer told me the computer takes about 5000 miles to learn you. I asked him what happens when the battery is disconnected. He said there's a 20 minute capacitor in there and if a new battery isn't hooked up by then the computer resets. WTF? My bloody cell phone can store my info in non-volatile RAM when I swap batteries pretty as you please.
Now what is this overdrive everyone keeps talking about? There's no "sport/economy" button on the automatic column like I had on my previous '91 Honda Accord. The shifter does have that left/right rocking motion it can do but I could never find anything in the manual to explain what that was for.
I had a Honda Accord wagon as my second car. Damn good engineering but definately getting a bit old and long in the tooth by the time I traded out. I plan to own this Yaris until it falls apart, I hate car payments.
Well, perhaps by the time you reach your destination the car is barely warmed up. Also, some places have the 10% ethanol in effect. Overdrive is 4th gear (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
Yes, One drop-click below Neutral is what you should be driving on. If you push it to the left, you are limited to 3 gears, which will have drastic effects on your mileage, especially during those 50 mile highway runs.
Could I have been causing damage driving in third gear like this?
I'm a big coaster too, with my Honda Fit. I shoot for half miles, though usually do only 0.1 or 0.2 (it adds up). In hilly terrain you can coast a lot more, of course. As an alternative to suddenly adding gas if someone comes up behind you, you can gently give it a bit more gas at the beginning in order to maintain polite speeds for the coast. I don't feel bad creeping to a stop light, but it's rude to go too slow if someone needs to get into the turn lane ahead or the light is green. To push things further, you can also sometimes use engine braking (which uses no fuel) in situations where you need to decelerate, rather than coasting (which uses a small amount of fuel to maintain idle). Not sure if I'm right about that last one, though, just what it seems to me.
Could I have been causing damage driving in third gear like this?"
See pages 125-127 of your manual. It is explained there and will answer your question.
Don't feel too bad; I did the same thing. But, fortunately it was with the Scion loaner we were provided before our Yaris arrived. My wife was the one who brought it to my attention when she noticed me leaving the shifter in 3rd gear. Although I initially protested she said, "I read it in the manual." Upon actually looking at the labeling of the shifter and "thinking" I had to agree with her. What are ya gonna do?
It isn't a design or documentation deficiency. It's "us." If you're used to driving a car with an "in-line" shifter pattern it's an easy mistake to make. Maybe they could improve the manual with some bold, colored text to draw this to the readers attention, but a lot of people would probably still overlook it. Who reads the manuals anyway?
Do you really need to rev-match on contemporary cars like the Yaris? (Is this what they used to call "double clutching"?) I thought automobile manual transmissions ensured the gears were always in synch before meshing, in comparison to, say, my vespa scooter which would grind if you don't match the rpm's.
And no, that's not double-clutching.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Any time your engine is running, it is using gas. It can't run without it. So coasting in gear (with a manual) using the engine to brake uses roughly the same amount of fuel as just allowing it to idle. But engine braking will increase the life of your brake pads and helps the piston rings seat as well. :-)
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
One way to match the revs from neutral to a gear is to blip the throttle a bit before shifting. I don't like that because it's wasted gas--which is what I'm in neutral trying to avoid. So what I've been doing most of the time is shifting into a slightly higher gear than is recommended in my manual. A higher gear means lower rpm, which results in a closer rev match to neutral; and since I'm already coasting I don't really need as much torque. Make sense?
If you're idling the engine has to use fuel to keep things moving just enough. But if you're engine braking, doesn't the ecu on cars like the yaris shut off the fuel injectors? The moving pistons from momentum keeps it "running", no?
http://www.yarisworld.com/
And for the RECALLS:
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/yaris/71419
-yaris-recalls/
http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/f6.html
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/f26
There are so many more if anyone discovers GOOGLE......
Point being, a LOT of folks routinely get 25-26 MPG City and 30-32 MPG Highway. A LOT of folks are just "dreaming".......
Didin't you give up your Yaris? You are the one still looking in every nook and cranny for something against the gas mileage...
Suggest everyone try:
http://www.yarisworld.com/
Yes do look at YarisWorld.com - a great bunch of Yaris fans there. Here's the link:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38
Look for yourself and tell me how many- better yet, what percentage- of the people are getting the "horrible mileage" you claim. What is horrible? 29?? That beats most other cars' Real World MPG, any make, any model in the city.
And for the RECALLS:
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/yaris/71419
-yaris-recalls/
As for recalls, maybe you need to read the article before you try and scare someone.
Link: http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/yaris/71419-yaris-recalls/
Comment : "" NEWS: Toyota recalls vehicles over faulty engine part
TOKYO (AP) -- July 18, 2006 — Toyota said Tuesday it is recalling about 420,000 vehicles globally, including some Echo and Prius models sold in the USA, over a faulty engine part.
The faulty part is the latest in a string of problems requiring recalls by Toyota, raising doubts over whether the automaker can maintain quality standards amid booming sales.
The recall affects about 150,000 cars sold overseas, mainly in the United States and Canada, Toyota spokeswoman ...said. These autos were manufactured in 2001. ""
Had you actually read the forum, you would've noticed it is talking about Echo and Prius models, manufactured in 2001. The Yaris is new for 2007, isn't it?
There are so many more if anyone discovers GOOGLE......
Point being, a LOT of folks routinely get 25-26 MPG City and 30-32 MPG Highway. A LOT of folks are just "dreaming".......
What do you consider "a LOT" ? 10, 15 people with mileage under 30 mpg ? considering the tens/hundreds of THOUSANDS of Yarii sold, in reality, your "LOT of folks" turns out to be a minor, and unfortunately unlucky, percentage.
Fuel Economy . Gov
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=mpgData&vehicleID=22749&browser=tru- e&details=on
4 out of 24 vehicles from different states registered under 30 mpg. :sick:
On the other side of the spectrum, 6 out of those same 24 cars registered 39+ mpg. O the injustice!
And in the larger picture, you have to ask which will cost you more over time, the 0.05 ounce of gas that throttle blip costs you each time, or the extra bite out of your gear synchros each time you put it in gear.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Turning your ignition off while the car is running turns off the fuel injection system. Imagine doing that, and that is how much engine braking you would have if normal engine braking worked as you described. Of course, that would be super-jerky and inconvenient - in fact, that is why Toyota came up with HSD, to do exactly what you describe for real! In Toyota hybrids, the gas engine ignition and fuel injection shuts down as soon as you step off the gas and the engine itself quits - the electric motor steps in to make the transition smooth (eliminating the "super-jerkiness") and collect electricity from the car's momentum at the same time.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySide.jsp?column=1&id=22749-
and maybe:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4222
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySide.jsp?column=1&id=22749- -
......... Yes, I have seen the new EPA MPG estimates. Did you read the fine print "Use the new EPA MPG estimates to compare to 2008 and later model year vehicles."
This will be the new method of estimating mileage in future vehicles. The numbers they have posted for the Yaris are simple calcuted estimates for 2007 and older vehicles. Keep in mind the new system recalculates EVERY car's mileage, not solely the Yaris. Therefore, you will see a drop in Yaris mileage estimate, as well as any other cars, including your Hyundai.
Furthermore, while this is an "estimate," no guessing/approximating speaks louder than the actual numbers posted by drivers themselves. AGain, look at the average : 34.5 based on 24 vehicles.
Aren't you the OP that ran out of gas because you failed to notice your gas was blinking? ...seems to speak volumes about your attention to detail...
and maybe:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4222
What is the point of this link? Yes, this person is getting under 30 mpg. I guess the sky is falling and we need to recall the Yaris....what a horrible car. Can you believe someONE actually got less mpg than what is stated on the label ???!!!
o for comparison...I'm getting 35 mpg in the city. Guess they need to recall this one too, huh? ...better start shopping for that Accent..
Just finished the tank the dealer put in, and did my first fill-up. 35.37 mpg!!! Sure beats the 12 mpg I was getting in my Dodge Ram p/u. I'm saving more than enough on gas to pay the Yaris' car note.
I have a 70 mile R/T work commute, mostly interstate around 75 - 80 mph with the a/c on low. That's probably 80% of my miles. The rest is really heavy stop & go city traffic. I haven't altered any of my driving habits to try to increase my mpg, having too much fun zipping around.
When I filled up, I did put in a 10% ethanol blend. I had never heard about that reducing mpg. I'll watch for that, and let you guys know.
I have a Yaris hatch with convenience package, cold weather package, side curtain airbags, and ABS. At just over 5,000 miles, now that the weather has warmed up, I've been getting just what it's rated at--34/39. In fact, on my last tank--which had no highway miles--I got 36.6, so it seems to be getting even better. Yay!
2007 Yaris Liftback- 5 Speed MT
Mileage: 1050 mi
Fuel Economy
100% Highway Miles-40.7 mpg
65% City 35% Highway- 37.3 mpg.
Average 65-70 mph when driving highway miles
My car is a Liftback with automatic transmission and A/C (which, thus far, hasn't been used extensively). I filled up at the same gas station (Sam's Club) each time which uses a 10% ethanol blend.
After 5,100 miles I'm averaging right at 34 mgp (33.9). This is virtually 100% city traffic driving. This is in line with what the window sticker said (as best I recall).
The one thing I've changed in my driving habits is that I don't stomp down on the accelerator any more (doing, so-called 'jackrabbit starts')... I tend to accelerate from a stop at a more gradual pace now. This seems to be easier on the small engine and I believe probably helps with the mileage.