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SSR, stick shift
Crossfire coupe, stick
GTO, stick
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Turboshadow
It has been something I have been considering for a while and I wonder what other folks think about this?
JR
Possibly on the really prolific cars, like Mustangs, aftermarket vendors might try to repo new or repair old circuit boards, etc. but with some of these very high powered chips, I dunno.....
Ditto on all the plastic panels and interior vacuum molded stuff---this stuff is going to be really expensive to re-make.
Nowadays though, the electronics and emissions are much more complicated. And if someone wants to try keeping an old PT Cruiser or Focus running decades down the road, it won't be quite so simple. Although I have seen 426 Hemis in PT's and Ford 351W's in Focuses, so maybe there is some hope. :shades:
The GTO might take a bit longer, since it has decent and serious horsepower and is fun to drive.
hmmm...I smell a business opportunity.
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In modern times, I suppose the C4 era Corvettes starting in 1994 are the most significant Vettes to come along in a long time. That said, the C5 took it another step forward, and with easy entry and exit out of the cars, for older backs. I think, money wise, those C4s may be best bang for buck, and easier to maintain over time. Less costly than the C5.
-Loren
i like the 91 fox convertible. it has the distinctive aero style and the 5.0 with forged pistons. these were downgraded for '92. it was the first year of the ubiquitous 16 inch pony rims, and the rear stack is lower than previous years, giving it a more speedster look with the top lowered.
of course, i'm kind of biased, seeing there is a very nice example of one about 50 feet from my keyboard.
I kinda like those Mercury Capris that they sold up through what? 1985 or 1986? They had more of a squared-off front-end with headlight bezels that were kind of angled back, similar to an '80 F-series, or maybe a '75-76 Caprice. Or kinda like what the '83 T-bird would be.
P.S. I like the '67-'68 and the '69-'70 in the older years. And I owned a '65 and '85 model year. Some Fox bodies have to make it to collector status. I think.
z06 corvettes, without a doubt. bmw m3 yes, but not at the local car show. other than that, i need help.
-Loren
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Too many cars = low price for a long, long time.
I'd say the Z3, SLK and Boxster will depreciate in value through 2006 --2016 then go stagnant for 5 more years and finally start to creep up around 2020.
Acura Integra Type-R: One fo the first factory tuned pocket rocket and limited in production. Unmodified, and with nop accident history.
Honda Civic Si (99-00) Once again limited production, and quick.
Mazda RX-7 Twin Turbo 1993 - 1996: Quick, with timeless styling.
Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo: same as above as long as they're not abused or have home made mods.
BMW M1, M3 - E30 version, any M5, M6. Any Alpina tuned BMWs, or Europe spec BMWs because they're rare and quick.
Chevy Impala SS from mid 90's.
Here's some questionable mass produced cars that just might be:
1990-1993 Honda Accord EXR 5 speed manual: everyone loved these cars, they're perfect size, a hoot to drive, super reliable, and if you can find one in stick it would be pretty rare.
1991 Civic or CRX Si in mint shapes, once again unmodified. The original pocket rockets that started the import tuning generation.
2003 Mazdaspeed Protege: only produced 1 year and very rare. Same thing for the 2007 Mazdaspped Protege3 if production is limited.
Toyota MR2 Turbo from 1990 - 1993: just my guess as you don't see many of them on the road.
Honda S600 roadster: very rare, and one fo Honda's first sports cars.
VW Phaeton: only produced a couple years iirc, and VW's first attempt at a luxury car.
VW Rabbit Gti: the original one from early 80's.
A lot of these I think will be collectible even though they were mass produced because once they deteriorate and get banged up and thrwon away, it will be rare to find a decent example in mint shape.
And some MB AMG versions, just can't think of any right now.
:shades:
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Why is that? Because they didn't have all the crazy options of the 60s cars. Remember, some of those big block cars you see for sale for big $$$ were built in tens or hundreds only....that's it.
Also there's the Golden Rule---"unloved new, unloved old"
So the Phaeton, MR2 turbo...not such a good chance.
The Mazda Twin Turbo is already a minor collectible..and you'll pay $15K for a nice one. The Type R might come up, definitely.
The Mazda Protege models are just a marketing ploy---I don't see these "special additions" going anywhere because they look so much like their common brothers and their differences are not so great from regular models.
The Honda 600 is starting to be collectible.
All of the modern cars mentioned are still depreciating, with no end in sight.
I may agree with you on some parts because a lot of special editions are built in the hundreds of thousands. But older cars like the Mustangs, Camaros with big engines and option packages also had plain jane models that looked the same save for the engine/tranny combos.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the cars our generation lust after is different than the one baby boomers are snatching up right now for six figures.
The cars on that list would be ones I'd buy and hold onto if I had the resources and real estate to keep them. Not necessarily because I think they will appreciate in value, but more because I wanted to own and experience them for one reason or another.
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On the flip side, the average 1958 Impala convertible, which had a base price of around $2800, left the showroom with a sticker price of around $4,000. Plugging that into an online inflation calculator, that's about $26,000 today, and I'm sure a nice '58 Impala 'vert would fetch much more than that.
The 1975 Swinger that my grandparents bought new for $5,000 in 1975 might, if it was in really pristine condition, fetch that today. But $5K in 1975 is more like $19K today.
I wonder how many cars ever go back up in value to the point that they top their original purchase price, factored for inflation? Very few, I'm sure.
Car values are, after all, are dictated by simple supply and demand.
I think we will have fewer younger people into cars than the pot-belly generation (that's me, a "boomer") and those fewer people will be chasing plentiful car supplies.
Why fewer young people? Because cars now compete with such a wide range of interests for younger people--things never open to us when we were young. You have electronics, gaming, extreme sports, computers, Internet---there's little time to tinker on cars. Yeah, it's a BIG market still, but it's not dominant like it once was.
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
2016 Audi A7 3.0T S Line, 2021 Subaru WRX
Yep, the "future collectible" market should be back in the hands of the real hobbyists very soon, with the exception of a few rare and/or exotic cars.
Remember, with one rare exception, no Japanese car, to this day, has EVER achieved a high dollar collector car price. That's a pretty sobering 40 year record of non-appreciation.
And would that exception be the late 60's Toyota 2000GT coupe?
What's considered "High dollar" is going to vary from person to person. As someone who has never spent more than $3,775 for a used car, trust me, my criteria is probably lower than someone who's in the market for a Hemi Barracuda convertible!
So that means a '55 T-Bird isn't a high dollar collectible? Exactly. Prices have been flat on them for some time. Now a supercharged '57--that's another story----rare car, high demand.
Same with say a Mustang....plain vanilla 6 cylinder '65 convertible--that's 15--20K, but a K code GT 4-speed, that's $40K++ and going up still. So one's not "hot" but is sorta kinda collectible...the other "red hot" and heading for big bucks.
$3,775 might get you a decent old car but that's not exactly the "hot end" of the collector car market. One would infer that the demand for such a car is not great if that's the best price out there.
It's good that so many old cars are indeed relatively cheap. It needs to be a hobby, not another venue for speculators.
Here's a recent pic of it, taken over the summer. Oh yeah, it's also been repainted, and while the chrome's not bad, it really needs a rechroming to look primo.
I'm not looking to sell it...hell, I wanted a '67 Catalina ever since I was a little kid! But just kinda curious as to what it would go for, like if I wanted to buy something like this today. Hopefully a bit more than $3775.
Top: $1,000
Windshield $350
Chrome bumpers $600
AC: $1,000
repair top $750
This 'n that: $500
Buff, shampoo, wax, grooming, clip toenails, etc. $250
Wow, are tops really $1000 these days? Honestly it's needed a new top ever since I bought it, almost 13 years ago. It did have an almost new top at the time, but in the winter of '94 we had a lot of ice storms. This car was sitting on a sales lot at the time, and when one of the employees went to scrape the ice off, he punched it right through the roof in a couple places.
Is there any rough rule-of-thumb as to how long a convertible top should last, on average? I remember reading something about it ages ago, where they said to figure on replacing it every 3-5 years. Seems excessive to me, but I guess if it's a daily driver, and out in the weather constantly, it's possible. Now that I think about it, the top on my buddy's '98 Tracker convertible was just about trashed when he traded it this past May, and it had been that way for at least several years.
And I guess that I should finally break down and get the top mechanism fixed. I was only 24 when I bought the car, and hadn't developed the back problems I have today, so I thought nothing of putting that top up and down by hand. But nowadays it ain't as easy to lift it as it used to be. And I don't think a shorter person could do it. It's really a 2 person job.
You probably need hydraulic work, so there's some digging to be done as well as rebuilding the hydraulic pump, etc. Yeah, a good quality top is getting expensive. It's a lot of hand labor is the problem.
You can ask whatever you wish for your car, sure! You are after all merely exercising your First Amendment rights, which is allowed under the US Constitution (last time I looked)...so no one has the right to criticize your $20,000 price tag....laugh, yes, but not criticize..... :P
Any idea what this car is and what it's approximate worth is? Is it a genuine collectible car? Do people in this country even know about such a car?
Thanks for any help.
Take it to car shows and stuff tell the car's story to people. It will be a good way to remember your father.
It may be a freakshow to you, but it's a wonderful legacy to us. In terms of its worth, no matter because we will never sell it, but I was just curious.
I did come across this on the net--it's apparently a VERY fast automobile:
"1979 Bonneville Land Speed Trial F/ALT 151.249/Record
1980 Bonneville Land Speed Trial F/GC 148.773/Record
1981 El Mirage Racing Season D/GC 175.430/Record
1985 Bonneville Land Speed Trial D/GC 200.002/Record
1987 Bonneville Land Speed Trial D/GC 202.301/Record"
I am sure the Maserati engines in those can do something.
All you need to set them up for bonneville, besides the safety equipement, is a deeper front spoiler and some special tires.
They were "fast" in their day but not by modern standards...maybe 0-60 in 8 seconds and a top speed of 135 mph.
The biggest obstacle to selling one is people's fear of the complexity of the car, and how difficult it is to get parts or service.
I've driven them...they are pretty unusual in how they feel on the road...the steering doesn't self-center and that takes some getting used to, as does that famous Citroen hydro-pneumatic suspension.
Certainly an interesting car and technically advanced for its day...it deserves a good home but maybe not in America. It should go back to France really.
We don't intend to sell it however, at least for the forseeable future. We have an extra garage on the property so that's where it'll stay. I even thought about putting it into the rec room as a conversation piece! (Just Kidding!)
I see those things fairly regularly at car shows, but the SM seems a much rarer beast. Didn't the SM make MotorTrend's car of the year in 1972?
The SM never won the European car of the year award, although other Citroens have won it.
And automotive journalists around the world did vote the 1955 Citroen as one of the most significant cars of the 20th century (during the car's 100th anniversary in 1996).
We had a neighbor that had one, a station wagon no less! Every morning, it would be sitting on it's bumpers. When he started it, it would take ten minutes to raise up so he could drive it.
Comfortable seats like no other car!
This car will be a nightmare to maintain and finding anyone willing to work on it will be difficult at best.
Seriously, I would give keeping it a LOT of thought. If something complex breaks (and it will)the car could be doomed.
After 30 years or so, their value is, in superior condition, about $12,000.
So I'd presume your car in the year 2022 would be worth about the same, which is to say---is it worth storing and insuring? No....
But it will always be 'collectible' even if not a valuable classic.
A Miata is the kind of car you want to use up and enjoy right now. If in 30 years someone wants to restore it, well, that's something for the future.