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3.6L Standard MSRP $33,530.00*
* Features shown below are in addition to, or in place of, Standard 1SA features:
* Engine: 3.6L VVT V6 with 255 hp
* Interior: wood trim, includes real wood steering wheel with chrome accented shift knob
* Seating: leather seating surfaces
* Steering wheel: leather- and wood-trimmed with Tilt-Wheel adjustable steering column
Additional Options
$7,745.00
* 3.6L V6 18" Wheel Performance Package, includes (TT6) Xenon, High-Intensity Discharge (HID) headlamps, (QGQ) P225/50R18 W-rated, performance tires, (N87) 18" (45.7 cm) 9-spoke, polished aluminum wheels, (JE5) performance brakes, (G80) limited slip differential, (JL4) StabiliTrak, (FE5) Performance handling suspension and (UJ6) Tire Pressure Monitor System
* 3.6L V6 18" Wheel Sport Appearance Package, includes (Y43) 3.6L V6 18" Wheel Performance Package, (B56) Sport rocker moldings (NDB) chrome exhaust tips, (P40) 18" (45.7 cm) Sport, 12-spoke, polished aluminum wheels, (TL4) Sport grille with chrome mesh accents, (T43) rear spoiler and (VGE) custom rear body-color fascia
* 3.6L V6 Luxury Package, includes (A45) Memory Package, (DD7) inside rearview auto-dimming mirror with compass display, (AH8) 8-way power front passenger seat adjuster, (AL2) 2-way power driver and front passenger lumbar control, (KA1) driver and front passenger heated seats, (UG1) Universal Home Remote (UA6) theft-deterrent alarm system, (QWJ) P225/55R16 H-rated, all-season, blackwall tires and (PX0) 16" (40.6 cm) bright machined-finish aluminum wheels
* Audio system, , AM/FM stereo with 6-disc in-dash CD changer and Bose 8-speaker sound system, Radio Data System (RDS) and digital signal processing
* Bose Edition, includes (CF5) power sunroof and (U2S) AM/FM stereo with 6-disc in-dash CD changer
* Bose edition package discount
* Engine, , 3.6L Variable Valve Timing V6 SFI, (255 hp [190.2 kW] @ 6200 rpm, 252 lb-ft of torque [340.1 N-m] @ 3100 rpm)
* Premium paint
* Seat, , rear split-folding
* Sunroof, , power, tilt-sliding with express-open and manual sunshade
* Transmission, , 5-speed automatic, with Driver Shift Control
3.6L Standard MSRP $33,530.00* "
Well – although the facts you present are true & correct ( & current ) I do not think that it is quite fair to compare any ‘end of last model year’ ‘special edition \ package’ sorts of promotional pricing [ Bose Edition ] to the beginning of a first model year follow-on model.
[[ The last year ( MY 2004 ) of the C5 Corvette resulted in monstrous discounts ( for Corvettes ) of $10K - $12K, from several reports I have seen. Just after the C6 version was introduced. ]]
And whether or not any of the new features standard or available for 2008 ( higher HP \ TQ version of the 3.6L V6 w/Direct Injection, 6-speed automatic, really big sunroof, front seats that can be ventilated \ cooled as well as heated, navigation system, AWD ) are of interest to you, I think that when added \ selected they clearly add some cost – and offer additional value, at least to some.
Thus, in the content sense, ‘fully loaded’ for a 2007 CTS is really not comparable to ‘fully loaded’ for a 2008.
And I keep coming back to the rather significant gap between the base 2008 CTS and the base 2008 V6 STS.
- Ray
Thinking the 2008 pricing is at least reasonable – if not ‘bargain basement’. . .
I think even if the top-of-the-line, fully loaded, AWD 300HP 2008 CTS tops off at $50K it still represents a pretty good value (of course, not the out of business sales kind of bargain). The "3er kind of price for a 5er kind of car" alone is enough to make the CTS a good value for the luxury sedan buying crowds.
I'm not sure if anyone is aware of the fact that the first magazine road test for the new CTS is in the Sept. issue of Winding Road Online Magazine. They tested several versions of the CTS in Germany and the Nurburgring (sic). For the most part they seem very pleased with all of the changes and improvements with the exception of the 6 speed manual shifter which is positioned poorly on the console.
Anyhow, if you haven't seen this article check it out online. There is no charge for a subscription which gets some pretty decent information ahead of the paper mags.
It is, however, at the 3 series price point (sort of), which is, after all, the target.
The fact that some will consider it a bargain 5 series, may still work in its favor.
On the other hand, it can be had nicely equipped for $45K, as far as I can tell.
:surprise:
BTW...have you actually driven a car at 150mph? Just curious what that experience is like (don't think I've ever topped 115).
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_2008_cadillac_cts
I still can't believe that normally aspirated DI V-6 engine can generate 304 HP. Its 0-60 time is also impressive.
Not hard to believe...
The nissan 3.7L VQ WITHOUT DI can generate 330HP. :surprise:
Thanks!
Meaning: If you want a 300HP CTS, you have to pay for it at the pump.
However, I do like this better than other premium brands' "one shall use premium fuel or else" policy.
Another big plus for Caddy.
My new CTS, assuming I do indeed go that way, will contain somewhat less content than my 2005 A6.
This, despite what you may think I mean, is MAJOR progress for a US car mfg.
It is so inexpensive to add content, at least most content, it makes me wonder why not lead rather than follow.
But, if the price is what it seems it might be, well, it still will be a winner.
The MT write up was very revealing, encouraging and mixed.
I would say, the verdict is positive and simultaneously cautiously optimistic.
"I got a friend in Fremont, He sells used cars, ya know.
Well, he calls me up twice a year
Just ask me how'd it go. . .
Pretty good, not bad, I can't complain
Actually everything is just about the same. . ."
John Prine.
:shades:
Egads - that's approaching a 1999 S420's weight, and that thing was an absolute tank.
Which leads me to wonder - aside from the badge, what is supposed to make me consider a base CTS or a base 328 a premium car?
Where did you see any information that indicated that the Direct Injection motor required premium fuel to achieve the reported performance numbers? Premium fuel has no more energy than regular fuel.
It has a higher octane rating to prevent predetonation (otherwise known as pinging) in a high compression engine and does not add anything to the power rating.
The 2.8-liter engine has been dropped from the lineup, so last year's port fuel-injected (PFI) 3.6-liter V6 carries over as the base engine, only now it makes 263 SAE-certified hp and 252 pound-feet of torque.
New for 2008 is a direct-injected (DI) version of the 3.6-liter V6 engine. Variable valve timing on the intake and exhaust cams and an 11.3:1 compression ratio help the new engine put out 304 SAE-certified hp, and 80 percent of the peak torque output of 273 lb-ft is available at 1,000 rpm. This engine feels stout, but there's no place on this winding circuit to verify Cadillac's claim of 5.9-second performance to 60 mph and a top speed of 155 mph.
The use of premium unleaded fuel plays a role in Cadillac's performance figures, but either V6 engine runs happily on regular. Official 2008 EPA mileage figures are unavailable, but Cadillac expects 17 mpg city and 26 mpg highway from the new DI V6.
Apparently the 3.6L DI is optimized for premium unleaded but the regular would work as well.
..." GM global rear-drive chief engineer Dave Leone claims a 15-percent power increase (though you'll only get the full 304 horses if you run it on premium unleaded)"...
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_2008_cadillac_cts/engines.ht- - ml
It has a higher octane rating to prevent pre-detonation (otherwise known as pinging) in a high compression engine and does not add anything to the power rating.
The reason premium fuel produces more power is this: The usual pre-detonation counter-measure is to retard the ignition timing. Since premium fuel pings/knocks at a higher threshold, more aggressive ignition timing can be used.
More spark advance generally means more power, better fuel economy, and reduced emissions - as long as the ping/knock threshold isn't crossed.
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Seems like a heck of way to engineer an engine. I find it hard to believe that GM would design a motor this way.
On the other hand if it develops 304 hp on premium how much power does it lose on regular, and isn't that false advertising, since they advertise 304 hp and say that it runs on regular fuel.
It looks like a strong motor with a great torque curve. That is all that is needed for driving anywhere except at the track.
I have read and re-read the arguments pro and con, especially since many engine management systems will retard the spark to eliminate ping.
The engine management systems and engines themselves that produce the greatest power using premium gas generally will provide a boost in fuel economy (unless you really drive as if there is an egg between your foot and the accelerator pedal.)
I will not venture anything other than a repeating of many of the writings of those who actually seem to have some credentials in the field. That is, if the engine is designed to operate with greater power on premium, it is not unlikely that it will also operate with greater efficiency on premium -- meaning there is SOME evidence it will cost either no more or slightly more to use regular in an engine so designed.
My choice would be to dig a bit deeper and find out if there IS INDEED increased power and increased mileage with the use of premium. If there is such an increase, it would seem premium is both the most fun and the most economical choice.
On the other hand, I literally cannot remember the last car I had that did NOT require premium (1976 perhaps), so if this Cadillac will run "fine as wine" on regular, but gets a boost in perf and econ with premium, well, it ain't no thang.
Check out the Sept Car and Driver review.
Impressive -- if as equipped -- if it really is $42K.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0709_2008_cadillac_cts
Check out Inside Line's 2008 CTS first drive article for reference.
thebug...
Ebony seats
with Ebony
interior
accents
Cashmere
seats with
Cocoa interior
accents
Light Titanium
seats with
Ebony interior
accents
The official EPA figures are available for RWD & AWD. They are posted on the EPA fuel economy web site. 17/26 for both useing regular gas.
Len
I'm going to order next month. If I get all that I want, I should be able to get OTD at $45,777. That's without any dealer discounts. This is 1K over my original estimate posted back in March, less the DC.
thebug...
My reading of the original & the current 2008 CTS Order Guide is that the leatherette is is NOT available with cashmere\cocoa. And leather \ Y44 is available with all 3 - including Ebony\Ebony.
But your Caddy dealer certainly ought to be able to answer this question for you . . .
- Ray
Not a New Car Salesperson ( thank goodness )
I, begrudgingly, admit that at 27 months, with an automatic (a delightful 6speed Audi A6, MY 2005), I actually believe a "real driver" can actually derive both performance and satisfaction from an automatic equipped car. But, it has taken 27 Audis almost all with stick shifts and 1 without to come to this conclusion.
The reviews seem to say "the CTS auto is good enough for BMW and that the CTS just isn't well suited to the stick anyway."
But, for those of us, well into our 5th decade who have had almost exclusively stick shift cars, what in the wide world of sports makes "the rest of you youngsters" not even LUST, and LUST with great passion, the stick shifts?
My god, the sticks I grew up with were marvelous and nowhere near the buttery smooth, snick snick capabilities of even the cheapies of today?
If you have not driven at least thousands of miles with a stick -- how could you even remotely not consider and consider strongly such a choice?
And, more to my point: WHY is it that the most performance oriented (arguably) vehicles (i.e., those with the sport suspension and high specific output engines AND AWD) only offer automatics?
The high zoot Germans and Eye-tal-I-ans, all offer stick shifts (hmm the Audi RS4 leaps to mind), yet the Cadillac offers the stick apparently with little conviction, as evidenced by offering the [potentially] highest performing model (AWD) with ONLY the autotrans.
The good news is that at age 55+ I am now able to be "over" the stick shift -- but for pity's sake, what is up with the rest of you "kids.?" :confuse: