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More seriously though, this is not the $3000 or less used car clunker forum... I doubt anyone here has been going to car lots looking to trade in their newer midsize sedan looking for cars w/ over 150k miles on them!
And I think your 5:1 ratio is generous to Mazda... cars w/ 150k miles on them would on average be around 10 years old, and Mazda was almost bankrupt then b/c of very low sales. I'd geuss the ratio would be more like 10:1...
That said, yes I would say you buy what you like, and if it is discounted it is all the better. AND, I may add in some cases a car becomes just as good or better than the next due to hotter selling car if it has some function required. Cars like station wagons sell well later on, as they get the job done, even with dents and the most popular look is not so important in a car, when a family of four is the working poor. Trucks when new, could differer more due to some fad in style or advertising push, then later on equal out more in sales. And it is so true, you need not get as much as brand X, when you paid so much less for brand Y.
As a side note, they have closed down the GM is on the offensive - will it work, forum. Spin offs now include the GM is offensive forum........ :surprise: OK, just kidding.
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I almost waited to purchase an 08 Accord based on the concept designs I saw, but am glad I purchased a Camry instead. I am a little disapppointed with the "new" look of the Accord. I think its ugly.....although some think the Camry is ugly. Just my two cents.
I used the oportunity to once again remind her that she should have listend to me and picked another nissan instead of going with that honda junk :P
Just a joke of course, I've been as satisfied with my honda products every bit as much as my nissan products.
Bottom line: Most of the items that people are bashing each other about are really personal preferences so I like to view comments as if they ARE personal preferences rather than assume someone is trying to exert there wants/needs on all others.
I personally would like to hear more about what the different brands offer and why you feel that way. Thanks.
However, when posts refer to intellichoice, I point out the flaws because they claim the Accord is significantly cheaper to own than a Mazda6, for example. I don't think that claim should be left to stand, as if it were a fact.
One thing is for sure: you won't get that retail price if you try to trade in your Civic or sell it to a private party. So your depreciation needs to be calculated based on what you can get for the car, not what some dealer can try to get for it with their markup added.
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Many of us (yes, I am including myself) have fallen victim to retaliating against another person's view. When someone implies that your car is overrated, inferior, overpriced, or an underachiever in this segment, we get offended and feel the need to defend our car buying decision. When really it doesn't matter what someone else thinks about your car. If you are satisfied with your car, that's all that counts. I am slowly coming to the realization that everyone does not think exactly like I do. :surprise: And that's ok, I guess.
Some have mentioned that a discounted v-6 accord could be had for around 23k. I wanted a manual tranny which is only available on the high end accord, so add 1-2 thousand to that price. I got a manual v-6 hatchback with a bose stereo and sunroof for 19.5k with $300 in accessories and 3 oil changes thrown in. So I don't know where you come to the conclusion that a Mazda6 sells for the same amount as an Accord...
And when I looked on KBB a couple months ago, the retail value of my car was about the same as what I paid for the car 18 months prior and the private party value was less than 1500 less than what I paid. Not bad resale value for me... of course if you're basing your statement to msrp then you'd be right in saying that the 6 does not hold it's value well. But based on what many others have been able to buy their 6's for, it's been a good value.
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Looks wise, how many here prefer the Milan to the Fusion? Or are they too close to call. And does the front really remind you of a razor -- hey is that Gillette Fusion razor? In a way, I like that front, as much as I prefer the Milan tail lights.
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I preferred the Fusion styling over the Milan but I would have gladly taken the Milan tail lights.
What I know is that I and many others have bought Mazda6 4 cyl, ATX, sport value sedan for about $16,000. This version is comparable to the Accord SE, which all indications are sells for thousands more.
What I also know is that anyone with any sense at all will not be paying several hundred dollars above invoice, as intellichoice claims, for a Mazda6 after the rebates of about $2000. So this overstates the mazda6 depreciation by about $2000. Now if someone can show me a $2000 rebate on an Accord, I'll accept that there is an equivalent error in the intellichoice depreciation figure for that model.
93 Accord EX 4cyl/5spd manual 70%/30% first non-winter gas full tank 31.6 mpg, last tank 31.3.
05 Subaru Legacy Wagon 4cyl/5spd manual 40/60 highway/city last tank 29.1 mpg (trip computer said 31)
Gas went up to $3.25 around here yesterday!!! I felt bad for the guy next to me in the TrailBlazer.
The side view of the Accord looks pretty good to me, if plain. It has a racy slant to it that is accentuated by the strong character line ala the TL. I noticed Honda is favoring the side view in its ads on this site. Good idea, because IMO the front is not at all attractive, looking like something Daewoo might cook up, and the rear looks... well, just odd--as others have noted, like an old Saturn (not a good thing). But make no mistake, Honda will sell tons of these new Accords despite what I or others may think of the styling.
Not me. I think that boil on the grill of the Camry needs to be lanced.
Honda can sell a ton of anything- the styling and features of the Accord are largely irrelevant to most buyers. It is significant to me and thats one reason why I wouldnt be driving the 2008 model. I am not a fan of cars that look worse than their predecessors.
As a member of the "younger crowd" who will readily admit that the three previous generations of Accord (90-02) are better looking than my 2006, I must say I really like the exterior of the 2008 Accord and am still pretty disgusted with the looks of the Camry. I guess there's two sides to every coin.
The interior or the prev. gen Accord is still about the best out there at the moment.
What other vehicle is midsized, has four doors, feels high-quality, is available in stick shift, can go 0-60 in 7.5 seconds, returns 30 MPG in the city, handles well enough to have fun with, calls for oil changes at 7,500 mile intervals, and can be bought brand new for under $17,000?
A V6 Mazda6 fits most of those, I think, although I don't know about the MPG and service intervals.
The only real complaints I have about the Accord is a desire for a 6th gear on the freeway and the fold-flat rear seat (no split fold, and the opening is small).
As a member of the "younger crowd" who will readily admit that the three previous generations of Accord (90-02) are better looking than my 2006, I must say I really like the exterior of the 2008 Accord and am still pretty disgusted with the looks of the Camry. I guess there's two sides to every coin.
The interior or the prev. gen Accord is still about the best out there at the moment.
I like the '86-89 & 90-93 styling the best of any Accords so far. The '07 is non-offensive but nothing to write home about.
I disagree about the interior at this point though, as the dash on the '07 is about 3-4 different colors and is evident where each piece intersects. Its especially bad around the passenger air bag. I guess if you have that much dash space, its hard to get the color molding consistent.
Its funny because the '93 dash, after baking in the sun for 15 years, is still black, all the same color, and not at all cracked.
Both Accords do a great job holding an infant seat, and the '07 even allows seating on either side.
I'm one of those who prefer the Milan's back side, the tail lights and the tag being in the bumper instead of the trunk. But, the wife and I definitely liked the front end of the Fusion better. It's really distinctive, among all mid-size sedans.
In the end, the Fusion won out. Besides, if the latest rounds of rumors are to be believed, Mercury may go the way of Plymouth and Oldsmobile by 2012.
Ford, and hopefully Fusion, will be around for decades to come.
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Happened to pull parking duty at an event Saturday evening at the local high school. I occasionally ask people with new cars how they like their car. The winner for excitement was the Mazda6 owner and his wife. They loved their car. The Camry owners and Accord owners respond without a lot of excitement. But the 6 guy was really pleased with his choice.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
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Hey, on the left here and ad shows the Hyundai Sonata, starting at $17,345. Wow, almost $3K under the New Malibu, before discounting. Folks, it is getting pretty ugly out there in the car wars. Good for shoppers though :shades:
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I always felt that's what made the '93 Accord seem so sporty. It feels low to the ground (and it is, I am looking at the new Accord's door handles from inside the 93), and you can see the road pretty much right in front of the car.
If you consider "more money for less car" then you really should say, more money, for higher quality, nicer smaller car."
The Optima doesn't get anywhere near the fuel economy of the Civic. I say you get more BANG for your buck with the Civic by saving on gas.
Shiftable tranny
17" alloys
8 way power seat
Lumbar support
Split folding rear seats
1 touch down AND UP front windows
Traction control
When you consider you can get this package for about 16,500 in many areas of the country including here in Chicago/Milwaukee area, I think it is a super deal right now.
I bet there's a 70% chance there was nothing wrong with the CV joint and they were just trying to make some money. Seems that 70% of auto mechanics are dishonest these days.
As for total package, I looked at the stability control and other items offered in the V6 flavor of the SE series, I decided to go for the V6. As packages go in the Honda line, this particular model, the SE V6 represents the most bang per dollar.
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