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Started getting internet quotes today on a SR5 with premium package and have gotten good results so far. Test driving this weekend!
The exterior styling is interesting, but function is more important to me. And the roof rack cross members are an extra cost add-on?
Toyota gets a D for this one.
Regards, DQ
I test drove all three trim. The worst by far was Limited thanks you AWD. It feels very heavy as it is struggling. The basic SR5 felt much better because of rear wheel drive. The trail was the same with much better road handeling and reduced felt bumps thanks to KDSS. Check this site if you wonder how it works, http://www.believe.co.nz/videos/kdss
I recommend those seeking AWD to test and compare this vehicle to others such as MDX, M5 and Q5. While this is an excellent true off-road vehicle, it is a poor one for on-road comparing with crossovers. If off roading is not what you need and cottage country gravel roads, snow and pulling your boat is your game, consider these alternatives.
Last night, I was at my local Toyota Dealership (Mike Erdman Toyota) getting an oil change. They stay open till 7:00pm. Whille that work was going on, I went over to the lot and looked at the 2010 4Runners. The only had 2 in stock, A silver Limited and a black SR5 w/cloth seats. These new 4Runners are extremely nice and roomy, and after I got through drooling over them, the sales guy hit me up for a purchase. I'm thinking about it seriously, and the dude called again this morning.
There's a few little peeves I thought Toyota should rethink: Get rid of the sliding cargo holder, put another light in the extreme rear top, add a locking gas lid like they had in ALL the other 4Runners, and put back the electric radio ant. BTW, for anyone wanting to do full time off-roading, my advice is to buy a used 4Runner for that purpose. No way in hell would I buy a new one and take it in the woods to get it all messed up.
Thanks - Hikervince
Test drive all three trims before buying.
controlled by braking/engine management via the "traction control" feature? If so,
the traction control and automatic limited slip differential are, in reality, one in the same.
Any Toyota factory people out there that can answer?
I'm still confused about driving the SR5 in 4H on dry pavement. A week or so ago, I test drove the SR5 (as well as the Limited) and the salesman (a 4Runner owner himself) told me to go ahead and put it the SR5 into 4H while driving on dry pavement... the vehicle operated completely fine/normal even when turning street corners. The only time I experienced binding was when I did a U-turn. Other than that it was fine.
Some on here say no-way, no-how to driving the SR5 in 4H on dry pavement - but it clearly can be done. Who's right? :confuse:
Now, I'm back to being undecided about which 4Runner is best. I want (but don't necessarily have to have) the navigation and the X-REAS seems like a great thing... but that's where the Limited stops for me. The 20" wheels and tires seem lame... and perhaps more costly to swap out than getting an SR5.
http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/def_turnpart.html
http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/def_turnfull.html
In conclusion, in the US, only the Limited has full-time 4WD. The 2010 4Runner Trail edition and the SR5 both have a part-time 4WD system that can not be used on dry pavement.
As far as which to get, I like the Trail since it has part time 4WD and the option of equipping with the KDSS suspension system. I want to be able to drive in 2 WD on pavement. The Trail also has a locking rear differential for better traction in muck or the situation otherwise demands. Thus, the Trail has the best drive train for dry pavement while also having the best for situations that demand traction. The downside is that you can't get leather or heated seats.
Secondly, please check your attitude at the door... it doesn't really serve the greater good. My purpose, as I am sure is the case with most others, is to learn and make educated decisions about our (future) purchase.
As I indicated in post #577... I had a salesman (himself a 4Runner owner) tell me to use 4H on dry pavement. And I shared my experience driving the vehicle in 4H on dry pavement. Knowing that I could get a Limited 4R - I doubt he would try to undersell me.
Better yet, just buy it and drive it in 4H, make lots of U-turns, then come back on here and complain about how your 4WD blew in 4H.
I'm simply trying to decide whether to purchase an SR5 or a Limited because my better half will be driving the vehicle during snow events here in Colorado-and that "set it and forget it" route for that driver. If I the only driver, it'd be a slam dunk, I'd get the SR5. Unfortunately, I can see my better half going through the Starbucks drive-thru... in 4H and freak out when the vehicle binds. I want to avoid that. I also plan to do a lot of off-road driving, so this dual purpose requires some thought. In my Range Rover or Montero... you could drive in 4H and pretty much forget about it (except for tight turns). Hence my questions about the 4 Runner.
And thanks so much for the attitude... really helps!
I am not sure what credentials would be suitable for providing links to sources but I think we'd enjoy the discussion more if all tried to be a bit more cordial.
tidester, host
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FWIW - my wife drives an 01 Montero Sport, part time 4WD. She called me once when we had a pretty good snow storm in a panic as she was starting to slip. I told her to "move the lever" in my best calm voice. As soon as she did and the 4WD hooked up I could hear the stress leave her voice. She is good as gold now.
That said we are renting a new 4runner from Dollar (downtown Seattle locations has 'em) next week - it is nearing retirement age for the Mitsu - if she likes the runner we would like get the limited... :shades:
On that note, if Toyota had kept the AWD/4WD system that was in the 2003 thru 2009, there wouldn't be the binding in 4H unlocked. But the new for 2010 deletion of the unlocked on lower end models can cause binding. Still, I believe it is a great 4WD, but some of us who were looking forward to the 2010 after owning the previous gen sure are disappointed. This will probably put me in a Sequoia.
The nicest thing about the 4H unlocked was the front end would hook up before you found yourself in danger. In fact early on many folks found themselves stuck, and for whatever reason the electronic 4WD wouldn't engage unless the vehicle was moving. So we left it in 4H unlocked all the time and never had the problem of getting stuck again.
Hopefully the 2010 4H engages quicker than the last gen which took awhile, at least the early ones did. Still no outside heated mirrors available on the 2010 SR5, as well as no V8, no LED's. And the window switches....what's that about? For me the takeaways outweigh the improvements. But for those of you getting a 2010, enjoy it. The V6 is as good as ever, the transmission silky smooth, and the drivetrain won't break.
One of these days I hope Toyota lets us build our vehicles so we can option them the way we'd like them, and hopefully a gear driven limited slip versus an electronic limited slip becomes available on all models.
I get no more than 15 city, (usually 14 is more like it) and never more than 21 on the highway.(Usually closer to 20).
That being said, as far as the 2010s are concerned, there is room underneath the hood for the V8. I think most auto makers are going for the "corporate average fuel economy standards" mandated by the gov't and that is what is causing the moves towards smaller motors.
The only viable SUV with a big enough motor will be either the Ford Expedition or Chevy Suburban. The Expedition is probably the best alternate choice.
You may have seen my previous posting complaining about the same issue.
I live in Canada and this is NOT an inexpensive truck. The MSP for trail on the road is over 50k. Now really how much does it cost to put in the 6 speed tranny? I beat it also gets a better fuel mileage which would have been good for their sales. You may have also noticed that 2010 4Runner fender glares are not fitted with rubber to the body (unlike all other older models). This allows for collection of salt in the winter, not to mention looking cheap.
They just want to get the ones with "problems" done first.
The number of 4Runners sold compared to their "volume movers" such as Camrys and Corollas, are very, very small.
I was wondering if anyone else is experienceing this? The service dept looked at it and said there is nothing wrong with the operation of the bluetooth. Doesn"t make sense to me.
The mic in this vehicle is almost non functional...everyone I speak to, whether land line or cell, over the bluetooth tell me that they cannot make out what I am saying or they have a bad connection. Cheap excuse for a functioning bluetooth.
I am beginning to question the quality of this vehicle.
is great. Runs great.Just put gas in it for the first time last night.
voice nav system works great though...finding directions with the phone number of the destination is quite nice.