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The move by Ford follows a similar strategy by Nissan with its Leaf electric vehicle. The 2013 Nissan Leaf S starts at $29,650, including an $850 destination charge, reflecting a $6,400 price cut over the base 2012 Nissan Leaf. Nissan's price cut was announced at the 2013 Detroit Auto Show."
2014 Ford Focus Electric Gets $4,000 Price Cut
I bet we could achieve much more with that amount of money than we'll get from this...
Probably when the 54.5mpg CAFE number gets rolled back.
BMW says the i3 nearly replicates the obligatory 50/50 weight distribution so ballyhooed for its conventional cars, although we figure the mass of the drivetrain being oriented close to the back wheels likely means the car could be somewhat rear-biased with its weight, leaving potential for 911-like acceleration and corner-exiting behavior - within reason, of course."
BMW Unveils Production Version of Radical i3 Electric Car
Didn't Tesla discontinue the cheapo 60KWH model? Base Tesla S starts at $80k. Though it is much better looking than the BMW model for the $38k price difference.
At last, something an Aztek can point to and say "if you think I'M bad....."
Well I suppose it could become one of those ugly duckling "cult cars". I scoffed at the Scion xB and it sold pretty well.
they should offer a disguise kit for new owners.
$41,000 for a car that goes 80 miles on a charge? This is progress?
Those tires are nuts. Whaddya think - a couple of inches thick? Well, if they were solid rubber, that would help the mpg I suppose.
Shifty, Magrath says it's "Another pod EV with sub 100-mile range" and a "styling disaster". Ed Hellwig is a bit more circumspect, calling it "interesting". :shades:
So I'm asking the same question on the I3, and I'm not finding an answer yet.
I believe that pure electrics will only become game changers when and if there's a major improvement in battery technology, making batteries lighter, cheaper and with greater range. Until then they'll be niche market vehicles, even with the addition of an extensive network of charging stations. For electrics to be more than niche vehicles they have to leap frog the huge advantages that gasoline, diesel and, to a lesser extent, hybrid powered vehicles currently enjoy for most driving needs.
What's nice is the price of the Mitsubishi i is coming down, around $22,000 at last check. Still, a range of 70-80 miles is not going to answer most people's needs for range. What you avoid in ghastly prices you have to pay in the impractability of finding away-from-home charging stations. The automotive industry needs to make more substantial progress in battery practicalities and technology. So even if it's a Mitsubishi product I'm having trouble getting too excited about the current all-electric renditions of the automobile, including too-expensive Tesla. I do prefer the Tesla S sedan over the coupe.
As for the BMW i3, I'm impressed. This would be the only BMW I would even remotely consider - but this rig is too expensive, too. $41,000+? Ouch. I do like it's exterior and interior design and I like it's impressive array of electronics available. Still, the range is not long enough for convenient travel considerations. Is it? But as far as design you're talking to someone who likes the Nissan cube, come on!
That's another discussion for another time. I'm sticking with my little red Mitsubishi racecar for now and loving it as always.
But I don't know what looks so weird ta you's guys about the BMW i3. Like I say, oh, and the fact that it's rear-wheel drive is also kind of cool. The high price (I know, but it's a BMW!) and the remaining issue of short travel range is going to help me tuck this little pup ta bed for...ever. I mean a long time!
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Blade's dull so I'm going to have to pull it and stick it on the grinder - there's just too dang much maintenance with these electric things. At least it's corded so I don't have to mess with that awful distilled water.
Blade's dull so I'm going to have to pull it and stick it on the grinder - there's just too dang much maintenance with these electric things. At least it's corded so I don't have to mess with that awful distilled water.
Funny you should mention electrical outside maintenance gear 'cause I just got in from out-of-doors wrestlin' with my electric weed-eater. Cutting the "lawn" weeds down that have poked through the plastic sheeting in my landlord's front lawn here in desert-ey Alamogordo, NM. Landlord won't let me spray Roundup-can't really blame her. But man, that weedy desert-grass is stubborn and persistent and won't go away.
Can't hit it with the mower that I don't have because it's got rocks underneath the weeds. These weeds should have never poked up. Oh well, I'll get back at 'em tomorrow. It's getting to about 93° with thunderstorms lately as we go through our monsoon season here in south-central New Mexico. Storms have subsided enough and moisture stopped enough for me ta get out there and weed-eat a bit, knock 'em down.
What d'ya mean distilled water for mower/trimmer "fuel"? What'cha talkin' 'bout, Willis? And, thinking again about our rental's lawn, if I owned this house I'd hit all of that with massive amounts of weedkiller. I know they're horrible for animals and the environment, but at this rate I'm signing myself up for weedeat mows every 3-4 weeks that are both obnoxious and sickening. :sick:
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Are you talking about cheat grass? That stuff was a real pain in Boise. Set up a solar heater and boil them to death.
We're trying to head out your way mid August. Hope the fires are slackening off. It's been so cool here our durn furnace kicked on one morning a couple of days ago. 93° sounds real nice. :shades:
We're trying to head out your way mid August. Hope the fires are slackening off. It's been so cool here our durn furnace kicked on one morning a couple of days ago. 93° sounds real nice.
I'd say cheat grass pretty much describes it well. I would happily boil this stuff to oblivion - I'll look into it!
The fires must be out - Albuquerque news stations have finally stopped reporting on them. The wife and I went to Carlsbad Caverns yesterday. 754 feet down at a fairly steep angle - the arthritis in my left knee flared up when Mrsiluv and I stopped and sat at a bench part-way down. Once I got up and started walking again the knee pain went away, though.
That cave-system is incredible, though. The "Big Room" cave covers the space 14 football fields would. It is a lot of walking, I'll say that. I was happily snapping away with the digi-camera, and many of them actually turned out. If any of you all get a chance ta go one day don't miss this National Park in SE New Mexico! Blew the Mrs. and I away with it's grandeur and beauty. Wow!
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General Motors Co. is slashing the price of its plug-in hybrid Chevrolet Volt by $5,000, making it the latest automaker to lower prices of electric vehicles in the face of lagging consumer demand.
The Detroit-based automaker said it will cut the base price 12.5 percent, from $39,995 to $34,995. The price cut comes just weeks after the automaker announced a $5,000 give-back on the 2012 Volt and $4,000 on the 2013 model.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130806/AUTO0103/308060026/1148/rss25
The problem with plug-ins is the higher up-front costs in buying the car and setting up the at home charging stations. Plus issues with the longevity of lithium batteries as compared to the old fashioned nic-cad used in most Prius.
My reaction seems to be similar to how I used to react when I found myself behind a VW van. I had no negative feelings but I was anxious to get around them as soon as possible.
Is "pokey" a negative attitude? Am I really only hallucinating? (quite possible).
What I was referring to is the claim that Prius and/or hybrid owners are self righteous, arrogant, etc., etc.
In my experience some fraction of ALL owners fits that description...
I think they switched from Volvos ;-)
Now Prius drivers cover most demographic buyers. I see them racing down the freeway at 80 MPH like most everyone else. It is less frequent to see them in the Left lane staying right on 55 MPH, like when the Prius first became popular. I think those types found out they were not making converts to their thinking.
Come to Seattle, you'll find LLC Prius.
I think cars like a Prius do, in fact, "sedate" most people, merely by the nature of the beast---flinging a Prius around curves is not much fun and acceleration is leisurely at best.
Self-righteousness appears in many forms, from the "I'm saving the planet" cognitive dissonance of the Prius owner who drives a 1.5 ton machine running on gasoline to pick up a bag of taco chips at Costco, to the Porsche owner who believes that somehow the car's precision and abilities are transferred to him personally.
Hopefully, most hybrid owners have less noble aspirations and will confess to buying such a car to "save a buck" (eventually).
But there does seem to be a lot of pride in the Volt.
Fitting thing to spot considering we're house-sitting at our NM friend's off-grid house this week. Yep, this is a solar post (although TaosNet, a great ISP here, is still on the grid).
Tesla has succeeded at just about everything it has tried so far, and there’s no reason to think it can’t pull this off too, if that’s the company's top priority. There’s just one problem with Tesla’s ambitious goal of building a self-driving electric car in three years. Tesla already had an ambitious goal, and that was to build an affordable electric car in three years.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57599474/elon-musk-tesla-to-make-affordab- le-electric-car-in-three-to-four-years/
Tesla backers may insist that Musk can do it all: make Teslas self-driving, make them affordable, put a man on Mars, and build the Hyperloop in his spare time. Perhaps he can: There is no one more dynamic executive in the auto industry today, and perhaps not in the technology industry either. Clearly the engineering team he has built at Tesla is formidable.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/09/18/tesla_self_driving_car_is_thi- s_elon_musk_s_first_big_mistake.html
Tesla is not "the safest car in the world". That was just more Tesla hooey.
Fact is, NHTSA did not crash-test any of Tesla's competition, nor did it give Tesla a 5.4 rating. There IS NO 5.4 rating.
NHTSA had a screaming fit about Tesla's claims, which have been retracted.
I hope Tesla can pull an affordable EV out of the hat. That would be great for them, although I don't see EVs capturing major market share.
I thought my Touareg TDI was the safest car in the World. ;-)
Cars that drive themselves? Can you hear the lawyers sharpening their knives?
I'll tell you an interesting fact about "futurists". They are almost always proven wrong.
Flying cars! Robots in the kitchen! Air-cushion highways! Atomic automobiles! 1000-seat airliners going coast to coast in one hour!
"The real potential is for something quite different: ubiquitous taxis – summoned via smartphone or weird glasses – that are so cheap they make car ownership obsolete. That’s the kind of social and technological revolution that could justify the lofty valuation granted to Uber. It explains why the same company that’s invested in the technology to drive the cars is now investing in the technology to hail them. It’s a world in which algorithms for matching cabs with passengers and user interfaces for summoning taxis will become crucial elements of everyday transportation, the way gas stations and parking lots are today."
Combining Uber with pilotless cars also makes sense in a big city. It's really more like a miniature computerized subway train that are run now.
Driving yourself around in a big city is stressful, no matter what you drive.
i think that one day there won't be privately owned cars in large cities.
We country folk, of course, probably won't have the benefit of all this new tech for a much longer time.
Not being a taxi person I was not aware of the App. Where it makes sense to me is taxi driver protection. You can PU rides that are already vetted. Be nice if the picture of the owner of the smart phone is displayed so when you pick the person up you know they have not stolen the phone.