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The Bosch 3323 is bigger than the OEM 15208-9E000. I used the Purolator PureOne PL14620, same OEM size, great oil filter. AW
Good luck
Any other suggestions before I close the deal?
Thanks again my friend...
I would like to buy at $700 below dealer cost too!
Or, if anyone knows of the best way to find a good deal in Southern California that would be very helpful. I am looking for an LE 2x4.
I've already received a quote for $29,028 from Carsdirect.com but consider that a starting point for haggling. This is my first time at this so any info would be great!
Lisafrsandiego...keep in mind that the carsdirect price does not include LSD (which I assume is included in the frodo4 est) which is $217 invoice.
Just want to be sure we're doing apples/apples here.
Is it listed on the 'most stolen' list or anything else I should know about?
Frodo4, your price is almost $1000 under the US invoice. Like Sanandton said, that's a darn good price. Sorry if I have misled you. I didn't check on the invoice prices yesterday. I guess I was comparing apples and oranges (US and Canada).
About the insurance thing for the PF, this was one of the reasons I bought the PF. I compared it to the 4Runner and the Forester and the premiums for both vehicles were higher than the PF. My rep told me it was cheaper to fix the PF. I suggest checking with your insurance company first.
thanks for the replies. Yes, after dealing with various dealers, I was able to negotiate $28,500 for a PF LE 4x2 with all options except tha NAV & ENT. The other charges I supposedly have to pay are tax (which in FL is 6.5%) the tag fee, about $200.00 and then what the dealer calls "dealer services or title. The total all inclusive price comes to $30,949.24. I would assume that this dealer services is the destination charge.
I still think its a pretty darn good deal and at 3.9% even better.
If there's something wrong in how I did this, please let's fix it so we're all on the same page. This is the #1 question asked on this site so we should agree on how we calculate 'how much is this over/under invoice'. I know it was the only way I could make sense of the 'what price should I shoot for' question when I was purchasing and the input I got here was extremely helpful.
also and uses PL24457 oil filter with 4 qts of oil. Nissan must have changed
oil pans?? Steve
Having some time on my hands (everyone's out because of the snow!!) so I'll go through your numbers. I agree with the $28,332 figure but how did you figure the option price? Here's what I got (all Edmunds invoice $). Let me know I'm coming from left field:
LE 4x2 - $26,637
dest - $540
leather - $1,560
mats - $58
filter - $38
hitch - $305
moulding - $73
sunroof deflector - $42
LSD - $216
Total Invoice w/destination: $29,469 <==this is also what I consider true INVOICE because that is what the dealer has to pay (not including any incentives or holdbacks). Anything else, such as tax, title, registration, ad fees, etc. are different for different regions. What you actually pay depends on supply/demand and your negotiation skills.
To figure what frodo4 actually paid ($28,872.53):
$30,949.24-$200 (title, reg, etc) = $30,749.24, then
$30,749.24/1.065 (less tax) = $28,872.53 (w/dest)
That's $596.47 UNDER invoice.
GREAT JOB FRODO4!
Already put 1500 miles on it by driving to ski resorts on weekend, and am very happy about the new PF. The only thing discomfort me is the Bridgestone tires.
Last weekend, we got 4-foot new snow at Pacific NW. During the trips to the resort and back, the PF spun out *TWICE* !!! Almost got us killed. Both were under Auto-4WD. The first time was at 45-50 mph (yes, I know, it's a bit too fast on snow and ice), but the second time was at 15-20 mph. After I switched to 4H, it seemed it held the road surface so much better.
Later when talking to my friends about this and analyzing the situation, we figured it was most likely because half of the road surface was covered by ice, and the other half by snow, which caused different traction between the left wheels and the righ wheels. And the computer that senses the slippage operates in a front-rear fashion, in other word, when the rear wheels starts slipping, it transfers power to the front wheels. However, in the situation I encountered, one of the rear wheel had good traction (on deep snow), so the 4WD was not engaged automatically by the "confused" computer. Does it make sense?
Anyway, I learnt my lesson, and would always use 4H or 4L in that kind of situation. Trust my own judgement rather than the computer's.
Pathfinder LE 2x4 with all options except Ent/Nav
MSRP: 32,293
First he quoted: 28,995
Then I told him I had a quote for $29K from CarsDirect.com and that Frodo4 was getting his for 28,500 and that's what I'd be happy with.
So he came back with 28,600
Extras: 45 doc fee
418 license
5 tire fee
2148.39 tax
31,216.38 Total
How'd I do? Should I do this? Will I be happy? Is it fun to drive a PF? Will I love it for 10 years? Is the 2x4 good for our flawless weather? What will the resale on it be in 5 yrs, 10 yrs?
Thanks so much... I'm getting excited!
Yes, the SE comes with the AUTO 4WD (if you order the automatic xmission). No, the climate control is only available on the LE.
Hope that clears it up a bit. Feel free to ask any more questions, the dealer is just a local phone call away ;-).
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where I purchased my PF and looking at the sales brochure
it looks like the only leather is on the seat surfaces,maybe
the steering wheel cover and gearshift. Personally I wished I
ordered one in cloth. The Lexal leather cleaner/conditioner
is the most recomended....Steve
Thanks for all the positive feedback. I am going to see the dealer tomorrow to hopefully seal the deal. Loboy - your numbers are right on, that's what I figure to pay as well. My method was simple - after reading through Edmund's and getting the exact price - I sent an email to each Nissan dealership in my area. They all replied with different numbers. I took the lowest one,(which by the way was still pretty good at $28,799.00) and said flat out I was willing to pay $28,500.00 - The guy faxed me in writing the acceptance.
Now all I need to know is if I'll be happy with the PF b/c I haven't even test driven it yet. Too caught up in this stuff (plus planning a wedding) had no time. Looks like tomorrow is it.
Let you guys know how it turned out.
I'm probably spending too much time on this, but I think it's important for us to standardize on the term 'above/below invoice'. Invoice is base invoice price for the model + invoice price for options + dest (same everywhere, $540).
It seems that frodo4's case is a bit confusing becase the dest charge isn't clear. A quote of 28,500 + 540 =29,040. That's $429 under invoice ($29,469). This doesn't agree with the other numbers, so I don't know what's what.
Those added charges seem a bit high, esp the 418 license, but given the great deal, who cares.
After test driving again yesterday, I am wondering whether I should choose a 4x4 or AWD instead of the 2x4. It was explained to me that being able to take it off road or in icy conditions was the whole point of having such a vehicle.
Is the 4x4 going to be safer than the 2x2? What about resale value? Are 4x4s much more desirable? It is worth the extra $$$?
Thanks everyone for chatting with me about this!
Just thought you should know.
P.. I am a relaxed driver, not lead footed at all.
how smooth mine changes from 2wd to 4 auto and back again. What year
is your Infiniti? I also change the oil in the trans and transfer case to Valvoline dura-blend. Made the trans shift smoother also. I'm getting about 17-18 mph driving in the mountains on ski trips rarely using O/D. There might be a valve sticking in the transfer case hydraulics?? Steve
Other than these minor issues, the Xterra beats the heck out of my more expensive Ford Explorer and my new Pathfinder. I read all the reviews that stated the Xterra drives like a truck (Frontier Chassis) and The Pathfinder drives like a car (Maxima Chassis). In reality, the Pathfinder has a less room, offers the same lousy mileage and costs a lot more. It just looks more upscale if one is into form over function.
Sometimes the Xterra's 4WD grinds when I try to put it in 4WD. The Pathfinder does not have this same problem, but cannot shift on the fly as well.
Oddly enough, my friend and I were offroading and his Pathfinder got stuck in the mud, even with a superior engine while the Xterra navigated without a hiccup! If one is not into a beautiful vehicle with all the options, maybe the Xterra is the better option for offroading? Heck, even on pavement it drives like a charm.
The Xterra is marketed for a far different crowd than the Pathfinder, but as an owner of both, I have to say the Xterra offers a bigger bang for the buck! I only wish Nissan would put the Pathfinder engine in the Xterra!
2. I know you can fit a 17 inch wheel (245/65/17) as this is optional on the QX4. As for other combinations, I don't know (but I know a couple guys on this board have gone through the effort with their 99.5/2000 PFs).
3. Other than removing the crossbars, I significantly reduced the noise by moving both crossbars near the back of the rack.
4. I know the K&N improved my mileage on my 99.5 PF LE with the 3.3 L engine (about 5%). I am logging my results with a K&N on my 2001 LE right now (as is bgritz...gritz, any results??) and will get back to you soon. I have not noticed any improvement in HP or throttle response using the "seat of the pants" measurement method.
5. On my 99.5 PF LE, the mileage improved dramatically after around 5,000 miles and I continued to see significant improvement right up until around 10,000 miles (where it was at least meeting EPA figures).
6. The temp sensor sits low in front of the radiator. As meca2 states, you have to be driving a certain speed for a certain amount of time for it to start registering changes to try and avoid recording trapped heat around the engine or from the road. I believe Jon Lofquist once quoted the "logic" the sensor uses from the shop manual...Jon??
Hope this helps. Good luck with the faq.
Nissan has hidden incentives for dealers above and beyond the 3% holdback in February. If they sell a certain amount of vehicles, they still make a huge profit. On a general rule, you have to walk out of the dealership twice for a good price and let them call you back in the morning. Pathfinder's are moving very slow; hence the 3.9% interest rate to boost sales. Many dealerships are overstocked and have to sell before the end of February.
I have to say, I am thrilled with both vehicles, although the Xterra's fuel guage is not working properly. The Xterra has more room, but less ammenities and a totally worthless moonroof that is obscured by a roof rack. However, it drives like a dream off road and I am thrilled with both purchases.
After owning many Ford Trucks, I will NEVER go back! Anyone want to buy a black 1996 Explorer (Goodyear Heavy Duty Tires) Sport with 53,000 Miles, all service records provided and every imaginable option? LOL.
Bravo to Nissan for soing such a good job with their entire product line!
Has anyone else had this problem and is our conclusion a valid one? Or is it possibly something else (inferior tires)?
Base 28,910
tow 305
body molding 73
microfilter 38
leather 1,734
LSD 216
nav 1,734
dest 540
TOTAL: 33,550
So, npathfinder, your quote is $450 over invoice. Msiseng claims to have gotten the same without tow (lowering the invoice to $33,245) which would be $2,234 below invoice! I think I want to know who that dealer is! Do you have to buy an Xterra also to get that price? :^)
npathfinder - carsdirect.com has your configuration for $33,448.
On the comparison between the Xterra & PF...I test drove both and found a huge difference in the handling...the PF was much more responsive and much less harsh a ride. I don't understand your comment, msiseng, on the X having more room...the PF has 85 cu ft of space and the X has 66. The X does have 1" more legroom in the rear and it is certainly a good vehicle for the $.
When the road is completely snow covered, I would recommend switching to 4WD High lock. The reason for this is that the auto 4WD mode needs rear wheel slippage to activate the front wheels, and as quick as the system is, that loss of traction for the split second may be enough for you to lose control. In 4WD High mode, all four wheels are receiving power (proactive vs. reactive). Just remember to switch back to Auto 4WD when you're back on a partially snow covered surface.
Yes, your tires probably contributed to the problem too. The 4WD system is only as good as the tires. After all, the system can only work with whatever traction it has. Winter tires may be something that you may want to consider in the future.
Drive carefully!
Drew
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the messages but nothing (I guess thats a good thing). I own a PF LE
4X4..love it...but when I drove the 2001 and noticed the power .. I
wondering if there is anything I can do (to add more power) without violationg the
warranty... pls advice
Thanx all,
Can anyone tell me if it is worth the extra money to buy a QX$ over the Pathfinder? Can anyone comment on the Navigation System?
for all who might be interested....
I received a call today from a local dealer offering me a 2001 LE 4x4 with nav, entertainment, leather etc. for $5,000 below MSRP. all for
$31,000 and some change. she said the fully loaded PF's weren't quite as popular as they anticipated.
not a bad deal.
I live in the Northeast. Would love to take advantage but unfortunately, its a couple thousand dollars more than I'm able to spend.
According to Carsdirect.com the invoice price for the options I selected was $31,658 w/ AWD (would like 4WD if it's available). Where should I start my bargaining? How do I get dealers to bid against each other? I need to know what a GREAT price for this PF would be. Someone please let me know! I want to everything I can to get the best deal. Thanks -all replies are appreciated!
THANKS! I AM SO EXCITED AND I CAN WAIT TO DRIVE MY NEW PF, WHEREVER SHE IS!