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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=29927241&postcount=29
Not at all what I expected. I bet this is the 2010 Outback Sport.
Things I like:
• New front bumper
• Wheel arches
• Beefy roof rails
• Body-colored rear log strip, as per current WRX/STI
• WRX/STI-like seats
Things I'm not sure about:
• Grille
• Rear spoiler
• Tires look too small, now that it has wheel arches.
• Still has a 5-speed (for gas engine) and the 4-EAT
Bob
That differentiates the Outback Sport better. Right now it's just two-tone paint.
Grille reminds me of the Tribeca. I guess they went for a family resemblance.
It's definitely more "butch".
I hated that 2-tone paint they've been using for years. This is much better.
It would be great if they offered an Outback Super Sport, with the WRX engine.
Bob
I received a message from SoA regarding the diesel, though I suspect it is old news now:
Thank you for your e-mail to Subaru of America, Inc. We appreciate you taking the time to contact us with your feedback.
First, please be advised that we have received many other contacts similar to yours so you will find that the statements below are the same as I have provided to other customers seeking a diesel Subaru.
Our chairman Ikuo Mori was actually misquoted by reporters when he originally stated that Subaru would bring our diesel to the US in 2010. He had meant in the 2010(s). Since that time there have been many re-interpretations of this statement posted to various blogs throughout the Internet.
Further complicating the issue is that the original statement of plans to bring the diesel stateside was made in 2008 after we launched vehicles in Europe but before the drop in the economy in the Fall of 2008. Subaru as well as every other company had to re-organize in the wake of this volatile market and consequently any future plans have gone under re-examination.
At this time, we have not been made aware of any set plans as to when we will offer diesel models stateside since these past events and statements.
If you wish for this product to be offered please make sure to encourage others who share your interest to contact us, as past input from our customers has been helpful in initiating changes to our newer models.
Should any decisions be made as it relates to offering such a vehicle stateside, you will among the first notified.
If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Thank you for the opportunity to be of service.
Best wishes,
Kerry Ann Miller
Subaru of America, Inc.
Customer/Dealer Services Department
It might be different if the US and Europe had the same emissions standards.
.....but then, maybe this is just for overseas markets?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
This new VX, as it stands, will be much more able to compete against the Euro Mini Countryman and the new VW CrossGolf and CrossPolo.
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/03/geneva-auto-show-mini-countryman/
http://wot.motortrend.com/6647406/auto-shows/2010-geneva-vw-hatch-hysteria-adds-- - - - crossgolf-crosspolo-and-polo-gti-to-the-mix/index.html
Having said that, it's not perfect. The large wheel arches scream for a larger wheel/tire combo; and I suspect it's coming, at least for the Aussie market. Their web site has just been updated with some news on this car, and one thing they mention is the Oz version will get more ground clearance, and which I hope also means larger tires and wheels.
http://www.subaru.com.au/about-subaru/news/breaking-news/2010/03/03/impreza-xv-u- - - - nveiled/
Some time ago I wrote to SOA, and asked them to get serious with the Outback Sport, as the current model is just silly, and stands for nothing. Now it looks like they're finally now heading in that direction. I just hope it comes here as well, badged either as an Outback Sport or VX.
Bob
This would seperate it more, almost like the 96 Outback did vs. the Legacy wagon.
You can view them in small (here) or medium or large sizes.
Bob
Bob
http://www.logicdepot.com/surveys/run/start.cfm?skey=2CYCR-11GMK
Note that this is not an official SOA survey, but the results will be sent to them.
Bob
Bob
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2010/03/2011-subaru-wrx-wide-body-headi- ng-for-2010-new-york-auto-show.html
A few things...
1) This pretty much confirms that the (new) STI sedan will remain Impreza-based. I had wondered if it might be based off the Legacy, but not anymore. I couldn't see developing a wide-body Impreza STI sedan by itself. Now with the WRX getting this bodywork, it makes perfect sense.
2) Not sure how I feel about it. I really liked the "stealth" aspect of the outgoing WRX, and that's completely gone now. This car is pure jail-bait, and frankly I'm not too comfortable with that.
3) I'll wait until I see it in person to make a final comment, but I'm pretty sure this wide-body will look better as a 5-door, as per the current STI. This looks kind of awkward. Aggressive for sure, if that's your cup of tea.
4) I'm really glad they increased the track, the rim width and tire size. That was a big concern of mine if they went wide-body, but using the existing wheels and tires. I think this car will look okay the way they've equipped it.
5) Disappointed that it still uses a 5-speed tranny. Was hoping for the 6-speed unit.
6) Can't wait to see what they've done to upgrade the STI.
Bob
Definitely looks better as a 5-door.
Bob
I do think they should have added a 6 speed. The GTI and MazdaSpeed3 get one.
Thing is that would really step on the toes of the STI.
Interestingly, though, the majority of WRX vehicles I see with the current body style are sedans.... :confuse:
2018 430i Gran Coupe
Bob
2009+ Foresters, though, are literally everywhere. They are incredibly popular here. Subaru is, in general, but the Forester in particular. In any given line of cars, a quarter-to-third are almost guaranteed to be Subaru, and probably half of those will be Forester.
My wife saw a sedan a little while ago, and she said it was the first Impreza sedan she had ever seen.
Keep in mind we've owned 3 Subarus!
And my area is the same for Foresters, it is lousy with them
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Hi Bob,
How are you??
Are you guys coming up to the NY show this year?
Charlie
I wish it didn't.
Bob's going ...
Bob
Bob,
Once again my Tribeca lease ends in November/December 2010. I'd appreciate it if you can find out any information on the refreshening or replacement for the Tribeca. I want to avoid getting stuck in a lease only to find something new is released in spring '11.
Have a great time.
Bob
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/29/the-wing-returns-subaru-teases-impreza-wrx-st- - i-sedan-ahead-of-n/
Will see this Wednesday night at an SOA sneak-peak event. The car will be officially announced Thursday morning.
So the NY show is all about the wide-body 2011 WRX and this new 2011 STI sedan.
Bob
But judging by this solitary teaser of the 2011 Subaru Impreza WRX STI, it appears that the rally-bred hatch is getting an all-new wing inspired by Subaru's dearly-departed WRC contender.
Bob
23 Civic Type-R / 22 MDX Type-S / 21 Tesla Y LR / 03 Montero Ltd
That said, the hatch is definitely the better body style and a wing of that size is pure silliness. However, there are fans of both and I think Subaru can keep the sales up and people talking by mixing things up from time to time ("let's give them a hatch for a couple of years then a sedan for the next few!"). :shades:
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/22/new-york-preview-subaru-wrx-goes-widebody-for- -2011/
They wouldn't spend all that money, time and effort for just the WRX.
Bob
Well ... the wing is on the sedan,
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/01/new-york-2010-2011-subaru-wrx-sti-4-door-has-- wing-needs-gold-w/
http://www.autoblog.com/gallery/2011-subaru-impreza-wrx-sti/#9
but it's obviously not the same wing as in the teaser picture.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/29/the-wing-returns-subaru-teases-impreza-wrx-st- i-sedan-ahead-of-n/
http://media.subaru.com/index.php?s=13&cat=134&mode=gallery
http://media.subaru.com/index.php?s=13&cat=138&mode=gallery
http://media.subaru.com/index.php?s=13&cat=136&mode=gallery
http://media.subaru.com/index.php?s=13&cat=135&mode=gallery
Bob
After the WRX went "wide body", it liberated the designers to introduce some much needed updates into the STI, including upgrading the suspension (done !), improving the steering to work well with the upgraded suspension (not done) and introducing better seats (than the useless "flatties" that the current generation STI/WRX and all STI/WRX's since the 2004 model year has) which too did not happen. So other than firming up the suspension (which is the easiest task for the aftermarket) the STI hatch was left to fester in its 2008 introductory state.
What would have been impossible for the aftermarket, would have been introducing sharper/faster steering gear like in the SPEC-C or better bolstered seats (which is just not replaceable via the aftermarket, since airbags and other SRS electronics are embedded into the driver's seats) and better engine technology like DI which would enable more power and better mileage, along with improvements into the Turbo itself enabling faster spooling and reducing turbo-lag. The results of course were sorely disappointing - to me !
They made a big hoo-haa that the suspension was "fine tuned on the Nurburgring". Sure. But what they failed to mention was that the fine-tuning of the suspension on the SPEC-C, happened with the SPEC-C's faster/sharper steering, the SPEC-C's fast-spooling and highly tractable twin-scroll turbo engine etc and not just stiffening up the suspension and calling it a day, while leaving all other aspects of driveability, unchanged. :mad: What they failed to state was that it was the total package that was "fine-tuned on the Nurburgring" and not just the stiffer suspension.
The big winners from the new introductions were the WRX (which benefited from the bodystyle changes, even though IMHO, the WRX after the 2009 updates, was definitely not in need of another body-style update) and the availability of the sedan STI bodystyle (for people who were waiting for it). To me the whole hoopla surrounding the "new and improved" 2011 STI was a total wet dishrag.
I was all set for a 2011 STI hatch (with the above said improvements) but not very enthused with what finally appeared. I am currently looking around for a 2010 STI SE (with no options) but will also keep my eye open for other options available in the market.
Mags are clocking regular WRXs as quicker than the STI, so besides the 6 speed and DCCD, there's not much reason to upgrade now, especially since visual distinction is far less now.
Yeah, the gearing of the STI basically means that a shift into 3rd would be needed, right before it gets to 60mph.....the WRX can cross 60mph in 2nd. So that is a 0-60 killer - for the STI. The additional weight of the STI (almost 200 lbs more than the WRX) is not helping things either.
In addition to that, there are indications that the power rating of the 09+ WRXs are deliberately under-rated to prevent any more embarassment to the STI than absolutely needed.
Bottomline, Subaru seems to be leaving the STI to languish, thinking that it would spur WRX sales (you are getting "almost an STI" for 1000s less) and that, IMHO, is a serious and strategic mistake. The STI brandname would be irreparably damaged.
They should just bring over an LHD version of the SPEC-C as *the* STI, which in turn would maintain a decent separation between the STI and the WRX. If not, then just kill off the STI, instead of leaving it as-is, so that the branding will not be further diluted.
If they think the price would get too high (a valid concern, since Edmunds' last EVO cost $44 grand), then introduce a Legacy STI instead, with a turbocharged 3.6l H6.
$43,984. :surprise:
http://www.insideline.com/mitsubishi/lancer-evolution/2010/comparison-test-2010-- bmw-335i-vs-2010-mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-mr-touring.html#article_pagination_- top_1
The seats are fine. They were leather (STI Limited), and seemed a little more supportive than those found in my '09 WRX. The big STI news, besides the 4-door, is the suspension has been upgraded.
Keep in mind that this was a mid-life upgrade, not a full model makeover. As such, I was quite impressed.
One more thing: The seats are not that much different than those found in the Porsche 911 (see link). That's as good an endorsement as any as far as I'm concerned.
http://z.about.com/d/cars/1/0/i/V/1/ag_09_911_frtseat.jpg
Bob