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Can anybody please advise about the MP3/CD players and speakers that fits this car.
Everything seems to be working we ll thus far if anything changes i will let you know.
Here are the VINs affected by the defect:
JHMAFA15216S000026 thru 0541
1HGFA16876L000001 thru 12981
2HGFG12836H500089 thru 09942
Thanks- Larry
We are talking about a car that has 136,000 miles!
It is using a quart of oil every 1500 miles which is not a big deal at all. ALL cars use SOME oil!
How does a cylinder "open up"?
It is also possible the oil pan gasket is starting to leak a bit. At this point I would NOT worry but I would keep an eye on your oil level in case this worsens.
it's pretty easy and inexpensive to swap out as a test. should be less than $6.00.
try for example:
http://www.autozone.com
Now, a year later, the light turned on AGAIN! Guess what Downtown Honda service center said. I need to change the 2 Way Valve AND the bypass. Called Miller and the warrenty on that part has just expired. Is there anyone else with same exact problem out there? Or, is it just my luck? I somewhat feel as if they are taking advantage of this situation and ripping me off for everything they can. :mad:
And when you get the new alternator, don't use it to charge your low battery, or you'll fry that alternator, too.
Alternators can be easily bench tested at Kragen or Autozone.
This does sound like an alternator. After 200,000 miles, it deserves to be retired.
And no, it is NOT normal for a car to use oil. That shows an oil leak, maybe you should stick to selling cars, and I'll stick to engineering. So welcome the the real truth. IT IS NOT NORMAL FOR A CAR TO BURN OIL.. If you do, you have a leak..
And please don't bore us with your "How does a cylinder 'open up' ".. You know darn well of all the Civics coming into a dealership that have the infamous "piston slap".. It's a fact that Honda did not engineer the block correctly on some civics and a clacking can be heard because of the piston hitting the cylinder walls. So don't sit there and act surprised! I love how you salespeople act all innocent..
And I wouldn't take advice from a salesperson.. Fact is, you should get to a mechanic and see if you're losing compression.. plain and simple..
The other thing that might be the cause.. And please answer honestly. When you go to fill up your gas tank, do you stop when the pump clicks off or do you keep clicking until another 50 cents or dollar amount of gas is put into the tank? If you have continued to fill up after the pump clicks off you are actually over-filling your tank and this can lead to gasoline backing up into the emissions system and putting gas where vapors should be.. And that could be how this is getting ruined.
If not, I would try a third dealer to make sure that's the correct diagnosis.. I don't think you should keep having to pay every year for that part..
But try the gas cap again.. and reply back to this.. let us know if you've over filled your tank.. always stop at the first click off..
How so? Honda cars are machines. Machines wear. No magic metal in them.
"And no, it is NOT normal for a car to use oil. That shows an oil leak, maybe you should stick to selling cars, and I'll stick to engineering. So welcome the the real truth. IT IS NOT NORMAL FOR A CAR TO BURN OIL."
Every internal combustion engine ever built burns some oil as it operates. Some more, some less. If that wasn't the case, every engine would seize solid about 20 minutes after it was started. Which field of engineering are you in?
" Fact is, you should get to a mechanic and see if you're losing compression.. plain and simple"
And ignore the most likely cause of high oil consumption, worn valve stem seals?
I've spent most of my life in and around shops and I once managed a large auto center.
So a high mileage car uses a quart of oil every 1500 miles?
Big deal! Just add a quart between changes and drive it another 130,000 miles!
I suppose our "engineer" would pull the engine apart, overhaul it, replace the valve stem seals, rings etc.
After all of that effort, oil consumption might improve to a quart every 3000 miles.
I love being insulted because of my profession when the person doing the insulting has no idea of my background.
Sorry, but managing an auto center and selling cars isn't the same as being an engineer or a certified mechanic. I agree with Mark19. A 97 Honda Civic with only 130,000 miles should not be burning that much oil. A quart every 1,500 miles is way to much. Theres a difference between burning a thimble or two of oil every 1,500 miles and burning a quart. The question was "IS IT NORMAL?" The answer...No,it is not.
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/
select Honda Parts
choose Civic
select Model Year, Trim Level, Transmission Type and Component: Fuel Pipe(1)
you'll find a nice diagram of the system. perhaps you can identify it by shape and relative position to the lines running up to the engine.
I would guess I've probably torn apart and overhauled a couple more engines than you may have?
Being an "engineer" can mean many things. My next door neighbor is a Boeing Engineer who has a degree in Rocket Science. He knows little about the workings of a car.
And, sorry...as usual, we disagree. Remember, the car in question has over 130,000 miles. 1500 miles between quarts isn't a big deal.
Put the Rislone in and go drive the car HARD for awhile.
You can also spray some combustion chamber cleaner into the intake system to looosen any carbon that could be gumming things up.
Even so, adding a quart of oil every 1500 miles isn't the end of the world nor is it expensive.
And, yes, Honda dealers do perform a treatment that helps remove carbon from the combustion chambers.
Just because your opinion differs from reality, you really don't need to call people names.
Your last sentence makes sense. Any good mechanic will tell you to simply check your oil often and just drive the car. This is not a crisis.
Sorry mark19, but I've seen nothing in isells posts that would indicate he is insane...or has lost touch with reality. Though usually opposite of mine, he is certainly free to express his own opinion. And the original poster is free to accept it or not.
I believe the original poster has options to which you both have suggested. #1 Take it to a trusted mechanic and have it checked out #2 Try the automotive additives like rislone to see if they help or #3 just add a quart of oil every month. It is still my opinion that losing this much oil is not normal. But, I certainly would not be spending a lot of money on a vehilce 9 years old...unless the original poster plans on keeping it 9 more.
ALL cars use SOME oil...they HAVE to.
For me (and most people)having to simply add a 1.00 quart of oil every 1500 miles is completely acceptable.
Of course, the origianl poster could spend thousands of dollars tearing the engine apart. Valve job, new guides, rings, maybe overhaul the lower end while they are "in there".
And for what? Maybe oil consumption would improve to a quart every 4000 miles. Maybe.
If the car is otherwise running fine, leave it alone!
I would, of course, check my oil frequently in case it worsens.
After that many miles, it's not uncommon for a Honda to need an oil pan gasket. One drip once in a great while can add up. Unless it's dripping on my garage floor and making a mess, I wouldn't bother with that either.
I'll leave the responses to the flame up because they set a good example of keeping a forum friendly and supportive of others, and they are even courteous to the flamer.
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you could have had the dealer remove them (unless you had to pay for them to get the car - then i can see why you wouldn't want them to do it).
that's a neat looking car.
Well, the proper way to fix this would be to remove the pan, get the broken bolt out, which may or may not be an easy job, put on a new gasket and bolt the pan back on.
Is is leaking? If not, you may get away with having one missing bolt. Keep an eye on your oil level and look for drips.
Next time, be careful. Those bolts are very small and require a gentle touch.
I'm wondering, what compelled you to tighten those bolts in the first place? Was the oil pan leaking?
If so, you need a new gasket. Tightening the bolts may help a little, but not for long.
If there was no leak, that oil pan is better off left alone.
If you were using a 3/8th ratchet with an extension, you were probably putting a lot more torque to that small bolt than you think.
I had a problem with a rattling heat shield on my 1999 CR-V. The front mounting points of the top heat shield rusted through. I fixed mine with a $3 metal hose clamp around the front of the heat shield. You do have to tighten it down very tight.
Good luck.
Curry Honda sells HondaCare warranties online at curryhondacare.com. You don't have to buy it from the dealer you bought the vehicle from (unless you live in Florida, which has laws governing the sale of this kind of warranty). I'd use the Curry Honda prices to compare what your dealer is asking if you're interested in the extended warranty.
Is this a Canadian car or has someone installed some kind of aftermarket daytime running lights?
If this is the case (aftermarket)something may be causing this to happen.
Thank you Theracoon. But I must check out their website. The $1650 was a verbal quote.
Manny
I changed the trans. fluid at about 1000K. I also had the mechanic lube up the gears....it is still difficult to put it into gear in the AM. Any thoughts??