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Now for the questions. 1. Has anyone had the TSB fix for the weak door stops done, and if so what does the dealer charge? 2. Is the power steering pump a problem on these cars? Mine is leaking and so is a friend's '96. 3. I hear a lot of these cars with an apparent transmission whine, noticeable when the car is cold. It sounds like an electric motor whined. Any comments?
Two weeks later they called, so at 2955 miles, yes 2955 they replaced all my rocker arms. This fix only lasted 1000 miles. So I took it back so they could hear the noise again. They called the next morning and said they had heard it but I would have to wait until it got worse to verify the bad lifter. They even call the Dodge ninja in Detroit or somewhere and he or she had no answer for them. You need to go and report it as so to have a record. Good luck
Now back to transmission issues. One thing you all must be aware of is this. There is no "universal" fluid for Chrysler transmissions. There is ONE kind ATF type 7176+. Not Dexron or any other type. Think I am preaching too much? Go to www.allpar.com and go to the transmission section.
I know all of you do your best to take care of your cars and would never knowingly do something bad like use the wrong fluid. But consider this: What about the quick lube place or other garage you go to? Are they aware of the fluid requirement for Chrysler trannies? Example: Had my 97 intrepid in for 70K service which also called for trans fluid and filter change due to the type of driving I was doing at the time. I asked the service writer at the FIRESTONE garage "Do you have the correct fluid for my Intrepid" Sure do, he replied. We got plenty of DEXRON in stock and your transmission won't use that much to refill it. I asked for my keys and left, went to a local dodge dealer and had it done there.
So the point is, for those of you who have your cars serviced, does the technician actually know what goes in your car? If you hear "Ain't hurtin' nothin," or "They all take the same fluid" my advice is to walk away. If you are told Dexron will work, walk away. If you are told Chrysler is only trying to sell you their product, walk away. Driving a quart low will do far less harm than 8-9 quarts of the wrong fluid.
Be alert and ask questions. It could save you a bundle.
I once had the manager at a Firestone store tell me, and I quote, "We don't have the time to memorize the oil requirements of every single car out there!". This was when I found out that they put 10W-30 in everything, whether it needs it or not. The car in question at the time was my '89 Gran Fury, which needs 15W-40. So needless to say, I don't deal with them any more!
I had my 2000 Intrepid's tranny serviced at 30K miles, because I do alot of stop-and-go driving. I didn't know about the specific tranny fluid requirement at the time, but my local mechanic is pretty good at doing the right thing, so I'm not worried. I've got about 42,500 miles on it now, so I'd guess that if they put in the wrong fluid, it would be acting up by now.
I've also heard about the warped rotor issue, as well, but have been lucky so far!
-Andre
Actually, if you write out the chemical reaction for the combustion of gasoline (approximated by octane), for every gallon of gas burned a gallon plus a pint of water is formed.
-Your friendly chemist
YOu did the right thing not going back to that place.
For more information or if you know someone who wants more information, go to www.allpar.com.Excellent site for mopar fans like us.
Is "Type 4" the same thing as "7176+"? The reason I'm asking, is because I just asked my mechanic what they put in my Intrepid when its tranny was serviced at 30K miles. He said "Type 4", and that it was the same as 7176.
Should I be worried? BTW, the car has about 43,000 miles on it now, so I'm guessing if it was the wrong fluid, it would've wreaked havoc by now!
Mopar67,
Glad to see I'm not the only Mopar fan left! BTW, Firestone has lately been sending me coupons and fliers and stuff, trying to talk me into coming back. I think that particular store is under new management now. Still, I'm not going to chance it! Now all I need to do is start drving that old Gran Fury more so that the Firestone Firehawks wear out and need to be replaced, so I can get their name off my car! (although they've actually been pretty good tire)
-Andre
I had the tranny serviced at 30K, new tires at 30K, new front brakes at 39K, and that's really about it, other than routine maintenance like oil changes, filter changes, and tire rotation, which I do myself.
The only things I'm not so crazy about are the fact that the tires wore out so fast (cheap 300-treadwear rating), the base 2.7 is a bit lacking in low-end torque, although it makes up for it if you nail the pedal, and it's a bit short in front legroom (I'm 6'3", though).
Overall, I'm happy with it, though.
-Andre
I don't think they changed the recommendation for the earlier models - only for models built after about halfway through MY 2000.
-Andre
But I willagree totally with the old904 or 727 they took dexron and digested it well and ran forever and ever. God I wish we could go back to those days.
Well, now that I'm creeping up there in mileage (43,500), my 2000 base Intrepid is starting to act up a bit. Nothing too major, but some minor annoyances.
Sometimes, when I unlock the car remotely, the driver's side door won't unlock. The car disarms, and the other three doors unlock. In fact, the lock button on the driver's door even pops up. But I still can't open the dang door! Sometimes, if I re-arm it and dis-arm it a couple times, it'll finally let me in. Or I'll just go in the back door, reach up, and pull the handle to open it. I did have to get the power lock actuator in that door replaced, around 35,000 miles, so I wonder if they didn't hook it up quite right. It's only done it a few times though, so I probably won't worry about it unless it gets worse.
The other problem...the rubber seal around the opening at one of the rear doors came loose. I tried to push it back, only to have it come loose at another spot! Is there some kind of adhesive I could use to glue it back into place? I don't want to take it back to the dealer for something like this, since it's out of factory warranty, and the extended warranty has a $200.00 deductible.
-Andre
The money pit is a 1995 ES. A/C problems surfaced at 431 miles past the 70,000/7-year extended coverage that Dodge gave for evaporator coil problems on 93,94,and 95 models (though 93s and 94s apparently were given higher mileage limits). A/C first leaked & was refilled in 1999, but dealership couldn't find any leak. Car was in storage in heated garage for 1.5 years (we foolishly thought we could find someone who would buy it). Now back on the road, a/c recharged again, but still no leak found. And now, it only blows hot air.
So far, I can't get Chrysler Customer Service to commit to any sort of coverage if we find that the problem is indeed the evaporator coil.
Has anyone ever had any success with Chrysler in getting coverage for a borderline warranty case? The mechanical problems with the car are a shame, since we otherwise enjoy the car.
Another friend of mine actually owns 98 Intrepid and he complains of some ABS problems/failures also some front suspension trouble. Anyone heard anything on those?
Thanks in advane.
P.S. I tried to read the posts here but there are so many posts related to earlier models so I'm stuck filtering all the info...
Anyway, here goes...
8,000 miles: flat tire
15,000 miles: dealer visit: tranny acting funny. They found nothing wrong, but since I've learned to at least let the car wait 2-3 seconds after starting before putting it into gear, and haven't had any problems since.
30,000 miles: new tires (the 300 treadwear Eagle GA's wore out faster than some junkyard tires I've bought in the past), and a tranny service (pizza delivery took its toll)
35,000 miles: Power lock actuator in driver's door replaced under warranty.
39,000 miles: New front brake pads; installed them myself. Rear ones still have plenty of meat on them.
43,000 miles: rubber door seal coming loose around rear left door. Also discovered that right side power mirror will no longer move, but at least it failed in the right spot for me!
I've also had two problems with the interior...the ashtray cover opens up every time I hit the brakes fairly hard, and the cupholder doesn't always pop out as quickly as it should.
I haven't had any problems with the power windows (a miracle, considering how much I play with them),but I noticed they do make a creaking noise when you put them all the way up, that's a little disconcerting.
But that's about it. 17 months, and 44,300 miles later, I'm still happy.
Hope this helps some!
-Andre
Built early April, 2000, dealer received April 14, 2000.
Purchased October 30, 2000
Problem at around 3,000 miles. Tranny would "neutralize" once after being started cold. Happened on way to dealer to get a couple of delivery issues fixed (paint scratches). After a couple of tries to fix, determined bad transmission case casting. Dealer and Zone office decided to replace with brand new transmission to the tune of $3,000 under warranty. Shipped old tranny to Detroit for analysis.
6,182 miles - Issue with TSB issued on serpentine belt growling in cold weather during first minute of operation. Retightened to new specs while in for oil change.
8,500 miles (currently) - no problems. Mileage is getting better, performance has noticeably improved. The 3.5 engine seems to have a magic improvement at around 6,000 miles. Gas mileage is less than the 2.7, ride is a little firmer. Single CD unit in R/T has nice sound.
I also bought an extended warranty over the Internet. Plan on keeping the car for at least 7 years unless the new Charger actually is rear wheel drive, or the Crown Vic finally gets an engine in it.
Wishes - split folding rear seat, rear cupholders.
FYI: my 98 ES has just over 40,000 original miles, and the issues below are not in order of appearance.
-All window motors replaced (one twice)
-Window lock on the drivers door replaced
-Transmission control sensor replaced (36,600)
-Internal dashboard lights flashing at random intervals (fixed for now)
-Door seals replaced (all 4 doors)
-Body control module replaced (BCM) (twice)
-Air conditioner related to BCM
-Radio/CD works, but no sound.(twice)
-Rear courtesy lights both went out at the same time
-One rear door lock sticking at random(unduplicated)
-Emission control sensor replaced (recall)
-Alarm malfunction (alarm would not shut off, even when in motion- fixed)
-Car wouldn't start, related to BCM (towed to dealer)
-Horn not working (twice)
and I'm sure there's more I can't recall. I tried to use it as a trade in for another car recently, but the dealer didn't want to give me what I owed. It's not worth crap. I should've just taken the loss and gotten rid of it.
Anybody have similar issues or am I just really lucky?
I own a 1999 Dodge Intrepid ES with 27K miles. I recently noticed a vibration at speeds of 50 to 60mph when I apply the brakes. The severity of the steering wheel vibration increases the harder I apply the brake. I believe I also feel it at lower speeds, but very mildly. Has anyone had a similar experience with their Trep? If so please share. I will be taking it in to the shop next week to have it checked and I would like to be a little prepared. Thanks all.
Does anyone have good news as far as the 98's go. I haven't read that many bad things about this year so far, but have sure seen a mixture.
I'm am a single female and want to have all my ducks in a row when I go into a place to have my fluids/stuff taken care of.
Any advise or information would be appreciated.
Definitely keep the transmission serviced though. And that's good advice for any car, just not the Chrysler 4-speed auto. My mother's '99 Altima had to be rebuilt at 35K miles, and she's much more gentle on cars than I am. I had my 2000 serviced at 30K miles, and I'm having them check it out at 50K, when I take it in to have them check the belts, hoses, spark plugs, etc.
-Andre
I just purchased a used 2000 Intrepid ES 2 days ago. It has 18,000 miles, runs great, and appears to have been properly serviced by the previous owner. I do have one problem with the driver's side window power button making a clicking sound after lowering the window. I'll take it in to have that check next week. Other than that, everything is great. It's a very attractive and roomy car, especially for my 6'2" frame. My wife especially enjoys how the car attracts attention with it's stylish looks. I did not purchase the extended warranty, but after reading a few of the problems that others have encountered with the tranny, I'll definitely purchase it. I did not get a history on the car, but I'll look into that as well. If anyone has any suggestions as to where I can purchase an extended warranty on-line and if it's possible to get a car's history on-line, please let me know.
So far, the car has been excellent overall. I am enjoying it except for a tranny that's a little reluctant to downshift when I ask it to.
Starting with the 1991 model year, Chrysler has required the use of ATF type 7176 fluid in all Chyrsler automatic transmissions/transaxles. ATF matching this spec is available from Texaco, Union 76, Quaker State, Pennzoil, and others.
Chrysler 7176 fluid is no longer the only fluid to use in a late model transmission. Chrysler TSB# 21-16-99 lists the current vehicles that only use ATF+4 (Type 9602), part 05013457AA for quart bottles. The vehicles that use this fluid include:
Model Year Car Built After
1999 and later Prowler 7-20-98
2000 and later Neon 4-24-99
2000 and later Minivans (11th letter of VIN=R) 10-10-99
2000 and later Minivans (11th letter of VIN=B) 10-18-99
1999 and later Concorde, Intrepid, LHS, 300M 7-20-98
2000 and later Sebring convertible 5-21-99
1999 and later Cirrus, Stratus, Breeze 9-7-98
I've been wondering...what would happen if I put modern tranny fluid, like ATF+3 or ATF+4 in an older car, like, say, my '89 Gran Fury, my '68 Dart, or my '57 DeSoto?
It's tough to kill those older Chrysler transmissions as it is, but would they benefit any from a more modern type of fluid?
-Andre
Thanks for the info about my older transmission. Guess I'd better just stick with what they're used to.
Meeeshel,
A couple months ago, I asked my mechanic what kind of fluid they put in my Intrepid when they did the tranny service, and he said Type 4. He said the older ones take Type 3, which is the same thing as 7176. I was a little worried, because I've heard that Chrysler 4-speed automatics tend to fail right after the servicing, which is a sure sign the mechanic put the wrong fluid in. However, I had mine serviced last October, and this was around March that I asked him, about 14,000 miles later. So I'm sure if he put the wrong fluid in, I would've known about it by now!
I do remember him saying Type 3 and 7176 are the same thing, don't know about Type 2 though.
-Andre
andre1969: Type 9602 is +4, which is NOT backward compatible with earlier transmissions/transaxles. Read post #241 for applications, including yours.
oil changes every 3k
tranny fluid/filter at 30k
cooling flush at 30k
that's it - traded in w/almost 50k on a 98 intrepid
98 intrepid - oil change every 3k
tranny fluid/filter at 30k
that's it - still have it - still no problems
Should I change the starter, or is it a on-board computer problem (hmm, could be expensive)?
Kind of irritated that my new car didn't even make to it's first oil change before having it's first serious problem. Hopefully, this is not a sign of things to come !
Anyone else hear of CAM sensor problems w/ Dodge?