Just to add my two cents worth about keyless entries and alarms.
I bought a 2000 Honda Accord LX last month that already had an aftermarket alarm system installed. They had two LX's exactly the same, but one had the alarm and the other had none. I bought the one with the alarm, which cost me $298 extra. I probably could have negotiated a lower price (maybe $50 less), but I had already dragged out the the negotiations for several days on another car. The alarm came with remote keyless entry (lock/unlock), remote arming and automatic arming, silent arming & disarming, valet feature, and shock/motion sensors in case window is broken or car is towed. However, it does not unlock the trunk.
I've also noticed the locks will lock when the ignition is turned on and open when the ignition is turned off. But that may be a feature of the car itself, rather than the alarm.
In any case, I'm happy so far with the aftermarket alarm and can't imagine any extra feature on the $495 Honda alarm that I would be willing to pay extra for. Good luck on your choice (of alarms) and enjoy your new Accord.
Thanks for the response, Your alarm has all the features that the Honda brand has and more, except unlock the trunk which only Honda brand has it. I'll probably get something similar to yours in term of features. May I ask what brand is your alarm?, Clifford, Viper?. My fiance's sister's Civic got broke in over the weekend and got her $120 Clarion CD player stolen. The back window replacement is $150. So the need for an alarm is pretty urgent.
The lock and unlock with ignition turning on and off is the alarm's feature and you can disable it. My brother's 4runner Clifford also has that feature plus it rolls the windows up when it's armed. I'll use your price as a guide to shop around this weekend. I also called the dealer and ask them about the labor for installing the Honda brand alarm if I happen to buy it with www.hparts.com, the original answer was "no we don't install aftermarket security system". After explained to them that it's Honda brand, they said the labor maybe $250, they're nuts, blood sucking nuts. I don't know how Milindc got it install for $95 labor.
My 2000 Accord LX cost me $17,600 + $298 for the alarm for a total of $17,898 before taxes, title, and license plates. I also got the 5.9% financing rate for 48 months. Another dealer offered me the same model (no alarm) for $16,995, but with an 8% financing rate. Not counting the cost of the alarm, the payments for either car were within $1 of each other. I chose the higher price (with lower interest rate) because it was at a dealer where I have been having my two Honda Civics serviced for the last six years.
My Accord has your standard LX features (2.3 ltr. 150-hp engine, power windows and locks, AC, cassette player, and cruise control.) It also has an automatic transmission. I guess the only non-standard items are the alarm and auto tranny. No alloy wheels or sun-roof.
I had planned to install an alarm anyway, but I got lucky and found the one I bought with one already installed by the dealer. It saved me the trouble of having to shop for an alarm and having to drop off my car to have it installed.
DUPER:
The alarm brand is SILENCER. The remote control seems similar to the one for the Honda remote drawn in the Accord owner's manual. I'm wondering if all remotes look the same or if the two alarm systems are made by the same company. I guess I'll have to check into it.
I didn't get the Alarm or Security for $95. We just got a friend's 2001 Civic LX where we negotiated the price for keyless (no Secuity / Alarm) for 95$. which is at dealer's cost.
I also don't get why you guys are running after aftermarket systems. With Accord you should have got an SE. Which has a lot more features than LX for just $1000 or less. with 5.9 ur payment for Se would have been just 15$ more per month !!
SE has Security/Keyless with Trunk opener, Mats, Carpetted floor, Alloy Wheels, ABS, 6 Speaker Audio. It must be bcos of color or unavailability that you got an LX.
I was the one that got keyless entry installed for $95 labor. No alarm though. I think it depends a lot on the dealer. Mine didn't seem to mind that I had gotten the parts from Hparts.com.
I'm sure the SE is nicer than the LX, but other than the alarm, the only thing I would have been willing to pay extra for would be ABS. For premium sound system and wheels, I'd rather go aftermarket. The truth is, I'd rather save my money for a nice house. But that's just me.
In any case, I'm sure you're as happy with your SE as I am with my LX.
The SE is nice, but of all the dealers I visited over the last weekend (5 total), there were only 2 SE left, all red color and cost $1000+ more. Originally, I was looking for a Silver 2000 model, and there was also none left in silver, only gold therefore I got the '01 LX. Honestly speaking, if there was a Silver SE, we would have bought it, and there's no SE for 2001. And IMHO, I think the EX I4 is not worth it.
A few quick questions for you knowledgable accord owenrs out there. #1) Is there the same invoice price for the exv6 model for both the sedan AND the coupe?
2) I have received quotes of 550-699 retail for an add-on spoiler. Does anyone know the invoice and/or dealer cost on this add-on? Does 550 seem unreasonable?
3) Is there a $500 dealer incentive available for 2001 exv6's right now?
I'd apprecaite anyone's input/opinion. Thank you very much!
First, remember the mantra: "ALL PRICING IS LOCAL".
Any discussion about price has to carry the caveat that market conditions in your area have a bigger controlling influence on price than any other factor. That said:
Yes, invoice on the EX V6 coupe and sedan appear to be nominally identical.
In the Sacramento, CA area, I just paid [two weeks ago] $23,500 for an EX V6 sedan with no added extras, and before taxes. So, Rebecca, without knowing where you live and what your local market is, the quote you're getting sounds quite high to me...around here, typical selling prices would be $500-$900 over invoice.
There are no dealer incentives on 2001 models! And certainly not for V6s! Most dealerships have no trouble moving their 6 cyl inventory at a brisk pace, and incentives from Honda are reserved for model-year-end clearance events. The 2000 Accords carried an incentive from mid-August, but even then the 4 cyl cars were the only ones getting any money until very late in the model year game.
As for spoilers and such, you're on your own...I think these things redefine ugly, so pricing is something I've never even considered.
I agree that price is very high. I paid 23137 for an '01 EX V6 sedan on Sept. 30. The price included mud flaps and wheel locks (both can be bought aftermakret for much less than the dealer will charge). It was boght at a high volume dealer hence the lower price. The best offer prior to that was $23600.
jrct9454 have you checked your mileage yet? Mine seems quite low. I know its not nearly broken in (my other Accord with 140K miles gets it best milage ever) so hopefully it will improve. Another factor is that the car is usually driven short distances as the wifes commute is only 10 minutes. Oh well, still enjoy the car but she had to have the V6 as I would have chosen the I4 and would be getting much better mileage.
The spoiler can be purchased aftermaket for around $360 so you'll have to decide if the dealers price is worth it. I sort of agree that it isn't the best addition to the sedan, may be better on the coupe. My wife doesn't think the car is sporty enough (she was driving a Grand Prix that she thought was sporty!!), even after I added the chrome exhaust tips, so she wants a spoiler. I said no, big argument coming on this one .
I am curious to know about the difference in braking power of a LX and EX (4 cylinder). If I read correctly from manhonda.com catalog, current Accord (4 cylinder) have same brake sizes as the previous model (f/r, disc and drum). I am wondering if EX's rear disc brakes will help compensate added weight of current model (200lb+).
I posted earlier that we bought a 2000 EX6 some 6 weeks ago for my wife. She loves it. And I must admit, it's the best car we've had. Except, of course, for my 2000 Pathfinder ...
I got to drive this weekend on our 600km roundtrip to Montréal for Thanksgiving. That car likes to move. It was darn difficult to keep it under 140km/hr without the cruise.
One thing I did notice is that engine braking is practically non-existant with this engine. Cruise along at 130km/hr (~ 80mph) and take your foot off the gas ...
I have a question. Can you install steering mounted Vol control on a EX without Leather. Does it require any cutting in the trim or is it just plug and play.
I am looking for 01 EX manual w/o leather but would love to have steering mounted Vol contl.
What would be a good price for 01 EX manual in Dallas area. I got an online offer from Driveoff.com of $20132 + T,T&L. I guess $500 (or 3%) over invoice is a reasonable deal. Did anyone got a better deal. Please post it ASAP b/c I will be visiting the dealer tomorrow. I am also looking for "Made in Japan" Accord. I have 90 Accord 167K 5spd and, laugh if anyone want's to, but personally I think my 90 Acoord's (Made in Japan) interior is superior in material and workmanship than 01's Made in US. Anyway, its personal preference/money. Any feedback would be appreciated. Happy driving!!
2000 Accord SE - $18000 includes window tint and destination charges
2000 Accord EX V6 - $22000 includes tint and destination
20001 Accord LX V6 - $21000 includes same as above
I will be looking to trade this vehicle in in 1-2 years on a Honda Odyssey. Need the transportation now, due to accident, or would have kept my last Accord till Odyssey purchase.
Since looking at eye on trading in 2 years or so, which one would have hold better resale value including the prices as a factor?
What about 4 cyl vs. V6? Which colors are better looked at in resale? Any other things?
does anyone know what a good price would be to add the honda passive alarm to the standard EX security system. also i sometimes have a problem with the car it feels like it is hesitating when i take my foot off the gas. it feels like the power is drained then it goes back to normal.
Would be the best as far as resale goes. But 18,000 for SE is also very good price. Are u getting 4.9 for SE ? That would make it no brainer.
4Cyl-6Cyl your preferrence. 4Cyl better fuel economy, enough power for almost every type of driving. 6 Cyl: Better power more refined.
I am repeating this again & again but: SE is very well packaged with ABS/Alloy Wheels/Secuirty/Keyless/6 Speaker Audio/fake wood trim/Mats/Carpetted floor. Also chance of getting Japan made (VIN starting with J)
Carguy: first, my experience suggests that these engines will not be fully broken in and putting out max power and min fuel use for AT LEAST 5000 miles. Our '98 4 cyl was still getting better on both counts right through that mark.
On our first trip, our '01 EX V6 got about 22-23 mpg at speeds that varied from 70-80 mph with the AC on all the time, and a number of hill-climbing segments involved. When we got back the car barely had 500 miles on the odo, so this engine is still green as grass.
I think you will find, once the car has several thousand miles, assuming the tires are inflated to the factory spec of 30 psi, that the EPA fuel numbers will be very, very close to real-world experience. A lot of short-distance, city driving is going to make that number even lower, 18-20 mpg with the 6. We expect an overall average after full breakin of 22mpg or so; the equivalent number for us in the 4 cyl was 24-25mpg.
If you can get a 2001 LX V6 for that price, that is probably the best buy of the cars you've listed. Lighter metallic colors [silver and gold] are the easiest to resell. Understand, 2 years is the period of max depreciation...after that, annual holding costs start to go down drastically.
A 3-year-old Accord LX will generally hold 67% or more of its original selling price, if mileage is average...this is extraordinary for this kind of car.
I agree that the SE is a good value, but the improvements in the 2001 are noticeable, and the V6 is a very, very, very nice piece of work.
that getting an used 98/99 EX V6 with decent miles is better than getting 2000/2001, IFF(if & only if) u plan to keep it 1-2 years. Am I making sense ? I would suggest to loose minimun amount on ur purchase after 1-2 years still n'joying the good car like 98+ Accord.
Honda is I think the only manufacture which gives agressive Red color on its models. Cherry Red of SE looks very nice. (Personal choice) Part of the reason I got an SE was this color too !! Ofcourse value equation was also very good. Cherry Red color has silver content in it which shines in the sun-light. IMO It looks really pretty.
Also Ivory Interior goes very well with the Chery Red exterior, though it's slightly difficult to keep clean.
Unlike Camry whose Red color is burgundy i.e having more contents of Black color, Honda's Red is aggressive with bright treatment again showing the younger ggeneration appeal. Camry's Red seems to be for 50+ crowd !!
There is also 90% of getting Japan made if you go with the Red. Also Emerald & Gold are the two other colors available on SE.
As I said getting an used 98/99 EX V6 would be much better decision than getting new one if plan is for 1-2 years. MUCH lesser depreciation.
carguy, Thanks for the input. This is the third dealer (Florida) and the only one willing to work on the price.
We walked out on the first one when he told us, " we do not need to beg people to buy our cars". The second, would not even consider anything less than 27,129.
We are also buying an SUV, so we are going to work on that for now.
I beg to differ. I realize there are exceptions to every rule, but, from personal experience there is a tangible difference in the workmanship, fit and finish between US v. Japanese built Hondas/Acuras. Well actually I should say North American v. Japanese since Canadian workmanship is not any better than US.
In the five years I've been in the business, I've NEVER seen one bit of quality difference between U.S. and Japan cars. Not one bit!
It's kind of a placebo effect I think. Once in awhile we will get a customer looking over the VIN numbers trying to pick out a Japan car. When they find one, we just smile and let them believe what they want to believe.
got it today for 22886 excluding T&T. they dont have Satin Silver with out the protection package so bought it for extra 333(listed 549). I dont know If I got a good deal considering I traded my Mazda 93 Protege (kbb 2500) for 1700. To fix mazda's driver side power windows, exhaust leak, need new tires will cost morethan 800, so I guess, I got the same kbb trade in value, what do you think?
I purchased an American built accord EX and I've been to the dealer to replace the driver seat tracks and motor. The glove box was rattling because it was not tightened. There is also a rattle behind the dash and the front window seal was not installed properly. I love the powertrain and I'm sure the problems will be solved. But my parents 94 Oldsmobile had about this many problems.
...but Isell is right: the internal Honda corporate measurements of assembly quality and overall warranty claims indicate absolutely no difference between the products produced in Honda's overseas plants [USA, Canada, Europe] and those in the homeland [Japan]. As it happens, the Ohio plants that turn out most of the cars for the USA have occasionally graded out a smidge better; there are always ups and downs, usually caused by a supplier who slips and needs to be brought back into line.
The most serious problem in the last couple of years originated in the Japanese plant system, and was the direct result of a supplier changing a process that resulted in the batch of bad transmissions that plagued some of the six cylinder cars late last year [yes, all of the transmissions come from Japan, while most of the engines are actually built in Ohio].
Toyotas often suffer from the same myth, and myth it is: the Georgetown plant consistently scores slightly higher than the plant producing Camrys for the US market in Japan, but there are still customers convinced of the opposite.
Believe what you want; the data suggest we are being extremely well served by the manufacturing operations of Honda in North America. If you know anything at all about the corporate culture within the company, then this should be no surprise...these people are obsessive, which is why I like their cars. No manufacturer is perfect, but these guys work harder at it and achieve better results than anyone in the business.
Just a clarification: I personally don'y think that Japan made accord would be better than North America. I was just trying to say that if that is imporatant for anybody then it is worth noticing with the 2000 Red SEs.
They have highly automated manufacrtring process so the plave of final assembly shouldn't matter I my opinion.
Today I got a 40 mile ride in 2000 Plymouth Breeze. This again reminded me how my accord is much better than it. Consumers some time tend to expect toooo much from Honda/Toyota (They do deliver though). These people should sit sometime in Taurus/Malibu/Grand AMs/Stratus etc to refresh their memory of how good vehicle they are driving (Hondas/Toyotas)
New Civic(completely built in NA ?) is a fine example of high-class manufacturing process. That is one hell of a good vehicle with tremendous build quality.....very tight guys. Thanks
I don't know anything about Honda "internal measurement of quality", but I certainly wouldn't put it past Honda, or any other manufacturer, to fudge things to suit their purpose. Christ, these yahoos will say the earth is flat if it helps them sell more cars. And "corporate culture" is all fine and dandy, but what it comes down to is North American union labour. Those guys have zero pride in their work. They don't have to worry about the repercussions of turning out substandard products because the union is always ready to back them up. After all, those union execs have to justify their overpaid cushy jobs too. Why do you think all American cars have crappy build quality?
My '01 LX was made in Japan and it has squeak on the right front door everytime I went over road bumps at freeway speed. It doesn't happen all the time, only when there are alot of uneven bumps on the freeway. It sounds like something is loose,a door skin, speaker or something. I just can't seem to find it. Any idea? Also my Radio has this static noise that comes on very so often. It sounds like the speaker wires are touching each other. It happens regularly when turning. It's much easier to hear when listening to AM than FM because of mostly talk show and less background noise. Anyone has any problems or suggestion? I'll call the service guy, but want to make sure I can reproduce it before I'll hear "We never heard that before" excuse.
I think the real test of any car is how they are after a few years and 100,000 miles.
One of the things I like about Hondas is the way they are when they have high miles on them. They still run well, don't squeak or rattle, the switches still work etc...
I wonder how that Breeze will be after 100K?
That is how I tend to measure cars and is one of the reasons I don't like a few brands.
Canadian...what makes you think the Ohio Honda factory is union?
I have a 98 Accord EX-L 4cyld. I went to my local dealer over the weekend to test drive the 2001 EX V6. I did notice a little difference from the V4 to the V6, but it wasn’t as much as I expected. I was hoping for the power like in the Nissan Maxima.
Well, I think I’m going to wait another year and keep my 98 Accord, and see what the next generation 2002 Accord has to bring. I am also looking at buying a used 2000 model Acura TL next year. The pricing should be the seem as a 2002 Accord EX-V6, I just preferred the higher end model of the Acura TL, VS the lower end Honda.
Does anyone have access to the spy photos of the 2002 Accord???
JUST A NOTE.. THE DEALER DID OFFER ME 16,000 AS A TRADE-IN FOR MY 98 WITH 35K MILES ON IT.
The power in the Accord V6 is deceptive. If you look at the 0 - 60 times for both the Accord V6 and the Maxima automatic, they are almost identical. The Maxima, being a DOHC design, is a little more peaky, so once the power comes on, it comes on with a bit of a rush. The power delivery on the Accord, on the other hand, is more evenly delivered so you don't really feel that surge.
The Honda Marysville plants are totally non-union. UAW and bunches of others have tried to organize the workers to no avail. Honda pays too good and gives too good benefits for the unions to have a good case.
These are two camparitively good handling vehicles
One thing which I observed: Maxima steering is more sensitive to driver's input & I think it is NOT variable asist(not sure) It tends to be uncomfortable on th ehighways when Max is difficult to steer & changes direction / track on slight steering feedback.
Accord's variable asist is very good on freeways as it doesn't bug & requires little attention to steer properly in straight directions. But it doesn't mean it is not fun-to-drive. The steering is very precise & tight, gives very good feedback. The steering wheel feedback is comparable to BMWs. Same thing about suspension. It communicates without being harsh. Drive these back to back if u want to make sure.
Max is the only car in thise segment which doesn;t have independent rear suspension !!
The wife just filled the tank today and I begged her to write down the mileage. Over the phone she gave me a figure so I calculated the mpg as 19.7 (may be slightly higher once I get the exact numbers, if ever!!). Not bad, almost right on EPA estimate and I as I mentioned, lots of stop and go, short trips, etc.
One more question. I think my mileage is lower due to the auto climate control system. As I understand it, it uses the A/C quite a lot to regulate the temp. I'm not used to this type of system. In my '89 Accord I can set the mode to vent and enjoy the cool air from outside. On the new V6 if I set a temp of say 74 it will use the A/C to reach that temp (assuming the inside is warmer, which it usually is with the sun still having an influence). We've settled on manually shutting the A/C off in weather like this (cool enough). Am I totally off base on the usage and if so can someone please enlighten me as I have read that section of the owner's manual at least ten times.
The Maxima power steering is variable assist. I don't find it uncomfortable either in city or on highway, but you are right that the Accord has excellent steering feel. Perfectly weighted with excellent tracking. I would rate it slightly better than the Max's, right up there with the Prelude's and the new Acura CLS. I've never owned a BMW so I can't compare it to that.
Reread my post #407. I stated that we manually shut off the A/C and I also mentioned I read the owner's manual several times. My question related to the best way to use the climate control system and/or if I was using it incorrectly.
I believe that when the system is not in fully auto mode (maybe even then) there is no indicator that the A/C is on until you press the A/C button and the LCD screen tells you. What if I forget, then the A/C will run off and on to reach the set temp. That was my point.
Anyone who understands this better than me care to answer.
The design cycle is 5 years these days; the next Accord [as Isell has patiently pointed out] is due for the 2003 model year, which means 24 months from now. So don't strain your eyes looking for spy shots...
If you don't think this Accord is anything special, then by all means save your money; my '01 EX V6 feels awfully special, particularly in comparison to our '98 4 cyl. If you can't see it, keep your money in your wallet.
The North American Honda plants are non-union; and again, if you see no difference between Honda Motor Co and the likes of GM, then I encourage you to vote with your wallet. Anyone who is convinced that the corporation will "fudge the numbers" to fool itself [huh??] about warranty claims and quality should definitely be shopping the competition...no need to waste your time with Honda when you could be driving a superior product...whatever that may be.
As I said, no manufacturer is perfect...but some are noticeably better than others. You make the choice every time you open your checkbook.
My choices for most of the past 35 years have been Toyota and Mercedes; my Honda experiences are relatively recent [last 15 years or so], but I am convinced they are the best at what they do among all of them out there. Sometimes they're late to pick up on marketing trends, but that's about the worst I can say of their business philosophy. And yes, I sure hope they make money at it...it's hard to stay in business otherwise.
There is no compariosion !! 98+ is VERY much improved in every aspect.
-Better Engine (Power NVH) -Very serious V6 model, much better than 97 V6. -Better Trans -Better Interior room -Better interior layout(Modern) -MUCH better chassis with very good handling. -Looks, I prefer the 97 though.
Overall it is in typical Honda tradition, improvements but not in radical fashion to keep the resale values of older generations unimpacted.
I don't know how anybody can justify 97 as better than 98 model.
We have a 1997 5-sp LX and a 1999 5-sp EX, and, in many ways, I like the 1997 more. It just feels light and free, and not as heavy and stiff as the 1999.
My wife likes the 1999 much more, I think mainly because the power adjustable seat can be raised so she can see out better.
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I bought a 2000 Honda Accord LX last month that already had an aftermarket alarm system installed. They had two LX's exactly the same, but one had the alarm and the other had none. I bought the one with the alarm, which cost me $298 extra. I probably could have negotiated a lower price (maybe $50 less), but I had already dragged out the the negotiations for several days on another car. The alarm came with remote keyless entry (lock/unlock), remote arming and automatic arming, silent arming & disarming, valet feature, and shock/motion sensors in case window is broken or car is towed. However, it does not unlock the trunk.
I've also noticed the locks will lock when the ignition is turned on and open when the ignition is turned off. But that may be a feature of the car itself, rather than the alarm.
In any case, I'm happy so far with the aftermarket alarm and can't imagine any extra feature on the $495 Honda alarm that I would be willing to pay extra for. Good luck on your choice (of alarms) and enjoy your new Accord.
thank you.
Your alarm has all the features that the Honda brand has and more, except unlock the trunk which only Honda brand has it. I'll probably get something similar to yours in term of features. May I ask what brand is your alarm?, Clifford, Viper?. My fiance's sister's Civic got broke in over the weekend and got her $120 Clarion CD player stolen. The back window replacement is $150. So the need for an alarm is pretty urgent.
The lock and unlock with ignition turning on and off is the alarm's feature and you can disable it. My brother's 4runner Clifford also has that feature plus it rolls the windows up when it's armed.
I'll use your price as a guide to shop around this weekend.
I also called the dealer and ask them about the labor for installing the Honda brand alarm if I happen to buy it with www.hparts.com, the original answer was "no we don't install aftermarket security system". After explained to them that it's Honda brand, they said the labor maybe $250, they're nuts, blood sucking nuts.
I don't know how Milindc got it install for $95 labor.
Thanks again... enjoy your LX
My 2000 Accord LX cost me $17,600 + $298 for the alarm for a total of $17,898 before taxes, title, and license plates. I also got the 5.9% financing rate for 48 months. Another dealer offered me the same model (no alarm) for $16,995, but with an 8% financing rate. Not counting the cost of the alarm, the payments for either car were within $1 of each other. I chose the higher price (with lower interest rate) because it was at a dealer where I have been having my two Honda Civics serviced for the last six years.
My Accord has your standard LX features (2.3 ltr. 150-hp engine, power windows and locks, AC, cassette player, and cruise control.) It also has an automatic transmission. I guess the only non-standard items are the alarm and auto tranny. No alloy wheels or sun-roof.
I had planned to install an alarm anyway, but I got lucky and found the one I bought with one already installed by the dealer. It saved me the trouble of having to shop for an alarm and having to drop off my car to have it installed.
DUPER:
The alarm brand is SILENCER. The remote control seems similar to the one for the Honda remote drawn in the Accord owner's manual. I'm wondering if all remotes look the same or if the two alarm systems are made by the same company. I guess I'll have to check into it.
We just got a friend's 2001 Civic LX where we negotiated the price for keyless (no Secuity / Alarm) for 95$. which is at dealer's cost.
I also don't get why you guys are running after aftermarket systems. With Accord you should have got an SE. Which has a lot more features than LX for just $1000 or less. with 5.9 ur payment for Se would have been just 15$ more per month !!
SE has Security/Keyless with Trunk opener, Mats, Carpetted floor, Alloy Wheels, ABS, 6 Speaker Audio. It must be bcos of color or unavailability that you got an LX.
SE is specially attractive if you get 4.9/5.9
In any case, I'm sure you're as happy with your SE as I am with my LX.
2) I have received quotes of 550-699 retail for an add-on spoiler. Does anyone know the invoice and/or dealer cost on this add-on? Does 550 seem unreasonable?
3) Is there a $500 dealer incentive available for 2001 exv6's right now?
I'd apprecaite anyone's input/opinion. Thank you very much!
-Warren
Any discussion about price has to carry the caveat that market conditions in your area have a bigger controlling influence on price than any other factor. That said:
Yes, invoice on the EX V6 coupe and sedan appear to be nominally identical.
In the Sacramento, CA area, I just paid [two weeks ago] $23,500 for an EX V6 sedan with no added extras, and before taxes. So, Rebecca, without knowing where you live and what your local market is, the quote you're getting sounds quite high to me...around here, typical selling prices would be $500-$900 over invoice.
There are no dealer incentives on 2001 models! And certainly not for V6s! Most dealerships have no trouble moving their 6 cyl inventory at a brisk pace, and incentives from Honda are reserved for model-year-end clearance events. The 2000 Accords carried an incentive from mid-August, but even then the 4 cyl cars were the only ones getting any money until very late in the model year game.
As for spoilers and such, you're on your own...I think these things redefine ugly, so pricing is something I've never even considered.
Fantastic car, by the way...can recommend the '01 V6 highly.
jrct9454 have you checked your mileage yet? Mine seems quite low. I know its not nearly broken in (my other Accord with 140K miles gets it best milage ever) so hopefully it will improve. Another factor is that the car is usually driven short distances as the wifes commute is only 10 minutes. Oh well, still enjoy the car but she had to have the V6 as I would have chosen the I4 and would be getting much better mileage.
I got to drive this weekend on our 600km roundtrip to Montréal for Thanksgiving. That car likes to move. It was darn difficult to keep it under 140km/hr without the cruise.
One thing I did notice is that engine braking is practically non-existant with this engine. Cruise along at 130km/hr (~ 80mph) and take your foot off the gas ...
I have a question. Can you install steering mounted Vol control on a EX without Leather. Does it require any cutting in the trim or is it just plug and play.
I am looking for 01 EX manual w/o leather but would love to have steering mounted Vol contl.
What would be a good price for 01 EX manual in Dallas area. I got an online offer from Driveoff.com of $20132 + T,T&L. I guess $500 (or 3%) over invoice is a reasonable deal. Did anyone got a better deal. Please post it ASAP b/c I will be visiting the dealer tomorrow. I am also looking for "Made in Japan" Accord. I have 90 Accord 167K 5spd and, laugh if anyone want's to, but personally I think my 90 Acoord's (Made in Japan) interior is superior in material and workmanship than 01's Made in US. Anyway, its personal preference/money. Any feedback would be appreciated. Happy driving!!
Current deals offered:
2000 Accord SE - $18000 includes window tint and
destination charges
2000 Accord EX V6 - $22000 includes tint and
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20001 Accord LX V6 - $21000 includes same as above
I will be looking to trade this vehicle in in 1-2 years on a Honda Odyssey. Need the transportation now, due to accident, or would have kept my last Accord till Odyssey purchase.
Since looking at eye on trading in 2 years or so, which one would have hold better resale value including the prices as a factor?
What about 4 cyl vs. V6?
Which colors are better looked at in resale?
Any other things?
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also i sometimes have a problem with the car it feels like it is hesitating when i take my foot off the gas. it feels like the power is drained then it goes back to normal.
But 18,000 for SE is also very good price.
Are u getting 4.9 for SE ? That would make it no brainer.
4Cyl-6Cyl your preferrence. 4Cyl better fuel economy, enough power for almost every type of driving. 6 Cyl: Better power more refined.
I am repeating this again & again but:
SE is very well packaged with ABS/Alloy Wheels/Secuirty/Keyless/6 Speaker Audio/fake wood trim/Mats/Carpetted floor. Also chance of getting Japan made (VIN starting with J)
Hope this helps
On our first trip, our '01 EX V6 got about 22-23 mpg at speeds that varied from 70-80 mph with the AC on all the time, and a number of hill-climbing segments involved. When we got back the car barely had 500 miles on the odo, so this engine is still green as grass.
I think you will find, once the car has several thousand miles, assuming the tires are inflated to the factory spec of 30 psi, that the EPA fuel numbers will be very, very close to real-world experience. A lot of short-distance, city driving is going to make that number even lower, 18-20 mpg with the 6. We expect an overall average after full breakin of 22mpg or so; the equivalent number for us in the 4 cyl was 24-25mpg.
A 3-year-old Accord LX will generally hold 67% or more of its original selling price, if mileage is average...this is extraordinary for this kind of car.
I agree that the SE is a good value, but the improvements in the 2001 are noticeable, and the V6 is a very, very, very nice piece of work.
Honda is I think the only manufacture which gives agressive Red color on its models. Cherry Red of SE looks very nice. (Personal choice) Part of the reason I got an SE was this color too !! Ofcourse value equation was also very good. Cherry Red color has silver content in it which shines in the sun-light. IMO It looks really pretty.
Also Ivory Interior goes very well with the Chery Red exterior, though it's slightly difficult to keep clean.
Unlike Camry whose Red color is burgundy i.e having more contents of Black color, Honda's Red is aggressive with bright treatment again showing the younger ggeneration appeal. Camry's Red seems to be for 50+ crowd !!
There is also 90% of getting Japan made if you go with the Red. Also Emerald & Gold are the two other colors available on SE.
As I said getting an used 98/99 EX V6 would be much better decision than getting new one if plan is for 1-2 years. MUCH lesser depreciation.
The Japan built Hondas aren't one bit different or "better" than the U.S. made ones.
We walked out on the first one when he told us, " we do not need to beg people to buy our cars". The second, would not even consider anything less than 27,129.
We are also buying an SUV, so we are going to work on that for now.
Speeder.
TO Kshedd: why not just buy an Odessey now?
It's kind of a placebo effect I think. Once in awhile we will get a customer looking over the VIN numbers trying to pick out a Japan car. When they find one, we just smile and let them believe what they want to believe.
The most serious problem in the last couple of years originated in the Japanese plant system, and was the direct result of a supplier changing a process that resulted in the batch of bad transmissions that plagued some of the six cylinder cars late last year [yes, all of the transmissions come from Japan, while most of the engines are actually built in Ohio].
Toyotas often suffer from the same myth, and myth it is: the Georgetown plant consistently scores slightly higher than the plant producing Camrys for the US market in Japan, but there are still customers convinced of the opposite.
Believe what you want; the data suggest we are being extremely well served by the manufacturing operations of Honda in North America. If you know anything at all about the corporate culture within the company, then this should be no surprise...these people are obsessive, which is why I like their cars. No manufacturer is perfect, but these guys work harder at it and achieve better results than anyone in the business.
They have highly automated manufacrtring process so the plave of final assembly shouldn't matter I my opinion.
Today I got a 40 mile ride in 2000 Plymouth Breeze. This again reminded me how my accord is much better than it. Consumers some time tend to expect toooo much from Honda/Toyota (They do deliver though). These people should sit sometime in Taurus/Malibu/Grand AMs/Stratus etc to refresh their memory of how good vehicle they are driving
(Hondas/Toyotas)
New Civic(completely built in NA ?) is a fine example of high-class manufacturing process.
That is one hell of a good vehicle with tremendous build quality.....very tight guys.
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Also my Radio has this static noise that comes on very so often. It sounds like the speaker wires are touching each other. It happens regularly when turning. It's much easier to hear when listening to AM than FM because of mostly talk show and less background noise.
Anyone has any problems or suggestion? I'll call the service guy, but want to make sure I can reproduce it before I'll hear "We never heard that before" excuse.
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One of the things I like about Hondas is the way they are when they have high miles on them. They still run well, don't squeak or rattle, the switches still work etc...
I wonder how that Breeze will be after 100K?
That is how I tend to measure cars and is one of the reasons I don't like a few brands.
Canadian...what makes you think the Ohio Honda factory is union?
Well, I think I’m going to wait another year and keep my 98 Accord, and see what the next generation 2002 Accord has to bring. I am also looking at buying a used 2000 model
Acura TL next year. The pricing should be the seem as a 2002 Accord EX-V6, I just preferred the higher end model of the Acura TL, VS the lower end Honda.
Does anyone have access to the spy photos of the 2002 Accord???
JUST A NOTE.. THE DEALER DID OFFER ME 16,000 AS A TRADE-IN FOR MY 98 WITH 35K MILES ON IT.
One thing which I observed:
Maxima steering is more sensitive to driver's input & I think it is NOT variable asist(not sure)
It tends to be uncomfortable on th ehighways when Max is difficult to steer & changes direction / track on slight steering feedback.
Accord's variable asist is very good on freeways as it doesn't bug & requires little attention to steer properly in straight directions. But it doesn't mean it is not fun-to-drive. The steering is very precise & tight, gives very good feedback.
The steering wheel feedback is comparable to BMWs.
Same thing about suspension. It communicates without being harsh. Drive these back to back if u want to make sure.
Max is the only car in thise segment which doesn;t have independent rear suspension !!
One more question. I think my mileage is lower due to the auto climate control system. As I understand it, it uses the A/C quite a lot to regulate the temp. I'm not used to this type of system. In my '89 Accord I can set the mode to vent and enjoy the cool air from outside. On the new V6 if I set a temp of say 74 it will use the A/C to reach that temp (assuming the inside is warmer, which it usually is with the sun still having an influence). We've settled on manually shutting the A/C off in weather like this (cool enough). Am I totally off base on the usage and if so can someone please enlighten me as I have read that section of the owner's manual at least ten times.
Read your owner's manual.
I believe that when the system is not in fully auto mode (maybe even then) there is no indicator that the A/C is on until you press the A/C button and the LCD screen tells you. What if I forget, then the A/C will run off and on to reach the set temp. That was my point.
Anyone who understands this better than me care to answer.
In 1994 the Accord was redesign, and then in 1998. Going with what Honda said, this would mean a new Honda Accord for 2002.
I don't think this Accord is anything special; I personally like the 1997 EX, more then my 98 EX.
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If you don't think this Accord is anything special, then by all means save your money; my '01 EX V6 feels awfully special, particularly in comparison to our '98 4 cyl. If you can't see it, keep your money in your wallet.
The North American Honda plants are non-union; and again, if you see no difference between Honda Motor Co and the likes of GM, then I encourage you to vote with your wallet. Anyone who is convinced that the corporation will "fudge the numbers" to fool itself [huh??] about warranty claims and quality should definitely be shopping the competition...no need to waste your time with
Honda when you could be driving a superior product...whatever that may be.
As I said, no manufacturer is perfect...but some are noticeably better than others. You make the choice every time you open your checkbook.
My choices for most of the past 35 years have been Toyota and Mercedes; my Honda experiences are relatively recent [last 15 years or so], but I am convinced they are the best at what they do among all of them out there. Sometimes they're late to pick up on marketing trends, but that's about the worst I can say of their business philosophy. And yes, I sure hope they make money at it...it's hard to stay in business otherwise.
-Better Engine (Power NVH)
-Very serious V6 model, much better than 97 V6.
-Better Trans
-Better Interior room
-Better interior layout(Modern)
-MUCH better chassis with very good handling.
-Looks, I prefer the 97 though.
Overall it is in typical Honda tradition, improvements but not in radical fashion to keep the resale values of older generations unimpacted.
I don't know how anybody can justify 97 as better than 98 model.
My wife likes the 1999 much more, I think mainly because the power adjustable seat can be raised so she can see out better.