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I don't have to pull a load. If I do, I borrow the inlaws Grand Cherokee. I have an extended warranty so I don't have any worries for 7 yrs. Based on reading this diesel forum (I was tempted to buy one) I wouldn't. Diesel fuel is at an all time high and the mileage gains are crap. Then I read that the car goes 0-60 in over 12 seconds with shakes and vibrations. YUCK!! If I were to get a Liberty again I'd get the gasser. Oh.. btw,,, there has been no case of the battery pack wearing out on a Prius. Goes to show how much you've read up on it.
Glad I could help. I had a similar failure at 586 miles with my CRD. I was uncomfortable taking the CRD anywhere for a while but so far so good. I have made several trips with it and it runs just fine.
As for the fuel, if a large number of eighteen wheelers buy their fuel at this place, it should be fine. When I travel, I prefer to buy at busy truck stops. I know their fuel will be good.
Using #1 fuel can be problematic. It is usually reserved for use in the winter when it is really cold. Generally #2 has been treated so that there are no problems in the winter. Using home heating oil has some issues attached it. If you get caught using it in your car, it could mean serious fines and/or jail. Also, the fuel may not be as clean as the diesel you buy at a station.
As for biodiesel, it should be marked on the pump if it is or not. There is a place locally that sells B100 in one pump and regular diesel in another pump. You can blend your own. Add one gallon of B100 and then fill with regular diesel and this will give you a B5 blend. I usually do this and my CRD runs more smoothly and is quieter too.
Hi Jefferson 1964 !, Had my liberty Diesel for 3 monthes ,it's the best thing since sliced bread ! I do alot of mileage as well.
If you are just being practical you can get the sport with the optional Diesel instead of the Ltd, with all the toys,and save yourself about $4000.
Either way I think you'll be more than happy with it,I sure am.
My Ltd is a patriot blue on chrome but what I really like is the new color coming out Salsa red pearl coat ,very nice ! one to look out for !.
If you do get one make sure you spend the extra $300 , for the towing package or roof rack .These are great options as you'll find that it makes the vehicle more usuable and practical ,for more things than just a commuter vehicle. I have towed with her pulled a 2000 lbs trailer like nothing.
I also found that I have been averaging 30 mi/gallon Canadian on her . Watch out for speeding the mileage rating is based on 55 miles /hour. thats where it gets it best mileage.Anything faster and it will drop that mileage drastically because of the turbo. About the diesel fuel I am sure you have 2 grades of it at the pump right .we do here in Canada. Also we have been experiencing high fuel prices <$3.50/gallon> which is why I am so glad it is about time Chrysler came out with an affordable diesel.The option is about $700 .Not bad considering a hemi is about the same price,yet double the cost in fuel per year,just for power. I have found that the torque is the same ,and it has lots of passing power plenty speed too,very comfortable.They up graded the suspension in the 05' s. Get the towing package you'll be grateful you did. peace Lightnin3...
Ya our CEO at Chrysler said it is a hit ! and will be upping production to 8000,a year of the Diesel Liberties to accommadate the demand.But this won't be till September as this is a start of the 06' model year. Here in Canada we have plenty ,but you have to goto a qualified dealership to get one ,as most don't have trained staff to sell it yet.It is still a new product and they weren't sure if people were ready for the diesel. Cheers.. Lightnin3...
I don't have read up on it ,just talk to your local mechanics they'll tell whats practical. I am a electrician ,and I 'll warn you that all battry sells have a maximum life ,so far 5 years.
Even though the Toyota 's reputation is what I believe over blown,fogged with gum drop ideas of the perfect car.Because of biased comsumer reports.Which I think is bogus anyways.Why is it that J.D power and associates have a differring view on this?? Besides I don't believe in their quality ratings.if so why don't you see one more than 10 years on the road ?? I'll tell you why because they are too expensive to fix and no one will admit it.Haha ! Plus imports ,they rust out after 5 years and look like crap . Lets take a picture of a RAV 4 and my 94' Gr.cherrokee after 10 years we'll see who's the better !. Time will tell , besides at least I am investing in a North American product,that is like investing in my own job .and your job too,because lets face it ,we are all tide to the automotive industry one way or another right? buying an asian car is like throwing away money to Asia making some CEO over seas rich instead of being re-invested here. This the truth to the claim to fame of why North America is so successful,and why we have such a successful future. Well you'll be glad to know that I heard in 06' the Gr.Cherrokee will going deisel as well.Hurrah ! Ask any mechanic that reliability is up there with fuel mileage ,and that a diesel take less maintenance than any other vehicle,less problems. And I don't have to borrow anyones vehicle to tow .I am still getting 30Mpg under 55 mi/hour,and I am happy finally that Chrysler has come along way with their products. Peace.. Lightnin3...
Your reply makes you sound like a real fool. Do you realize that Toyota makes cars here in the good 'ol USA? Did you know that all the profit from the Jeep you bought is going into a German company's pocket? Come back in 7 yrs and tell me how happy you are with your truck. I'll be laughing all the way to the bank. hehehehehehe
Or maybe not time will tell,I come from a jeep family so I know these engines in and out. Besise I am using the recomended oil for the vehicle the best on the market.Mobile 1 Synthetic,and I doubt that with a Synthetic oil it'll go .Most people won't put up the minimal cost of synthetic oil ,but it is a proven product GREAT ! for turbo's ...Hahaha ! besides a turbo kit is alot cheaper than that $6000 battry in your car ..hahah ! which I know it's going to die in 4.96 years haha !. :sick: Peace .. Lightnin3...
Yes Daimler is German and it has been good for Chrysler quality has come upand getting better,Thanks for mentioning that,but how long has Chrysler been in North America?,over a 100 years and,re-investing in our country. They employ 1.8 million workers here How many does Toyota employ?? 1000,each plant. Thats laughable ..
You have to consider the small parts plants too that feed our plants . Asian "assembly plants" employ a minimum of employees here ! while in Asia the percentage is alot higher. That why import parts cost more.you'll pay $150.00 for a pair of brake shoes and I'll be laughing because I pay $40. Hmmmm. who is saving now ? Plus I don't have to wait ,I'll be in and out of a dealership in 2 hours fixed and on the road,while you'll be waiting for the parts to be shipped... Peace.. Lightnin3...
Yes, Toyota makes cars in the United States. So does Nissan, Daimler (Mercedes) , BMW, and soon a Korean company. And do you think that the profits all stay here? Your a fool if you think they do. Most of the profits Toyota or any of the others I mentioned made here go back to where ever the company's home country is.
If and when your Prius does fail, I am sure you will find the largest rock possible to hide under. Anything made by man, no matter where it is made or how well it is engineered will fail in some way or another.
Those are just assembly plants 1000 workers here ,a 1000 there .Still doesn't compare to 1.8 million big 3 workers. The big 3 profits do get re-invested here.Why are we getting new big 3 products here? new plants ? .Come over to the dark side you know it to be true....
Buy a big 3 vehicle, it'll prove it's quality over time. I know I am going to have fun up north travelling using for whatI paid for to be used for ,not worrying if my battry is going to die. Have a nice summer Peace .. Lightnin..
Let's stick to the cars and stop calling each other names please. The big companies are mostly owned by stockholders, and the stockholders live all over the world. If you have a mutual fund, you probably already own some Honda and DC.
I guess it shouldn't be called the big 3 anymore since Toyota is bigger than Ford. I wonder why the "BIG 3" are having a fire sale? Perhaps it's because they make inferior products. They are definitely improving though. I read through the Liberty problem threads and it is kinda scary. What's even more scary is that the diesel was described as agricultural by CR. The reliability is average but I've seen two of them in the past three months turned over on the highways. SCARY!!
I had a Gr.cherrokee for 10 years.Fond that the best tires then was Michelin LTX M/S as a good all around tire for all weather .Got 80,000 Km's out of them,4 years use,highway miles. I would suggest these as they are my first choice .They have come down alot in price,as they are popular. With my new liberty I am swaying towards BF goodrich All terrain T/A KO? for winter tires and a good summer sport tire ,like a Hydro edge type,for low noise. But If you want a more rugged tire than this and don't care about noise the BF goodrich Mudterrains are even better for for snow and rough stuff. peace ...
I have to say the tone of this last page has turned nasty. (e.g.: molokai and exchanges)
I come here to read about owners experiences and compare them to my own, not read about a debate on automotive globalization or worse, to read snide posts by non-owners who want to unfairly trash my choice in vehicles.
Thank you Caribou1, winter2, and anomious. I was leaning to the Kumho Venture and Discount Tire where I have been going for 13 years. I went to a local Firestone/Bridgestone store and drove them crazy. I bought Dueler HT Alenza's like you winter2. Caribou1, your comment also sent me there. Today there are 4 Revo's somewhere in a Fort Worth Texas store. My store had 4 duelers in stock. The manger sweetened his offer. Done deal. Winter2, last year when my father-in-died, my wife and I put Turanza "S rated" Bridgestone's on my mother-in-law's older crown victoria based on a recommendation from a salesman at a Hibdon tire store in Oklahoma. Those tires have been and are great. Thank you all for your prompt help.
Thanks for the good comments on driving in Winter weather. From your picture it gives me confidence that the Jeep will handle Gitchi Gumi's snow. However, that isn't my real concern. It's starting the Jeep when she gets really cold out.
Comments indicate that my concern is unwarranted. However, if the Jeep doesn't start on a -20 F day, I will be beyond frustrated and my angst may proceed in an unwarranted direction. No one will want to be in my immediate vicinity during that happenstance.
The battery is insulated. Do any of you recommend an insulated battery blanket with an electric heater?
Years ago I used to have a car with a 6 volt system. I used to take the 6 volt battery out of the vehicle every evening to assure a valid engine start the following day. Given that it takes more horsepower (watts) from the battery to crank over a diesel engine, I wonder if this or similar actions will again be needed. It came to my mind that big mining trucks use compressed air to start their diesel engines due to battery problems. Diesels need torque for cranking and cold weather takes the oomph out of lead acid batteries. More ideas?
In Prudhoe Bay Alaska where it can stay at 40 below for weeks, we use circulating heaters on our PU Trucks. Plus we have a small trickle charger and a battery blanket. The Power Strokes crank right off. I sometime forget the glow plug warm-up and it makes no difference. To save on electricity the timer is the best solution. That will keep your engine in good shape and you warm and toasty in the cab.
In my opinion a heating battery blanket would be ideal. The synthetic oil doesn't make the engine 'drag' anymore when it's cold and the starter motors have made enormous improvements over the years. 30 years ago I could recognise the make of a car from the sound of the starter engine but nowdays they are all alike. At -20 F you just have to be careful to run the engine long enough to recharge your battery. If you must have all accessories ON, then the tickle charge becomes compulsory. I have a cylindrical (rolled) element gel type battery on mine with a red cover and I think it does better in the cold than the old plate-type batteries.
Mudterrains are known to be "super efficient" but they have very few large pads and restrict highway driving to 55 MPH or so. They are not especially recommended for ice+snow because their rubber is too stiff and the braking (stopping) distances tested by 4x4 clubs here seem to be 20% longer than the T/A type. Since the Liberty is rather heavy and does not have a very high ground clearance for rock-climbing, where is the interrest in having such specialised equipment? Forest fire fighters and rescue squads use them on Land Rovers and Nissan Terrano's here, but their range is limited to extreme conditions.
I do agree ...Mudterrains are specific use , In their element of terrain I have found them to be superior off roading tires and I was only giving a suggestion if the need arises .I have had good results with them back in the bush towing in area of fire roads back roads ,and logging roads,and stump pulling as well. They kind of give that extra jerking power ,especially if it is a diesel. I definitely would suggest the BFG All terrain T/A KO 's for an all purpose winter use tire<nice and sticky ,beefy tread pattern . It looks as if they give you an extra inch higher clearance,because of the extra rubber. They are quieter than my Michelins<LTX M/S are . I guess If it came down to price Michelin is an excellent choice ,because of longevity. But I would suggest to have 2 sets of tires and rims for winter /summer use. For maximum grip,and longevity. Thats my thoughts.... Peace Lightnin....
Let me start by saying that I've subscribed to Consumer Reports for many years, and I respect their opinions. But you must keep in mind that they put very little weight on many of the Liberty's strong points. They care little or nothing about off-road ability or the availability of low-range 4-wheel drive. They mainly judge a vehicle by its performance on the way to and from the supermarket in an urban or suburban environment. The fact that this article compares the Honda CR-V, Hyundai Tucson, and Ford Escape Hybrid with the Nissan Xterra and Liberty CRD is a dead give-away. They might as well be comparing sheep and horses. If they did, they would doubtless note that the horses didn't produce much wool.
I think the main flaw with their review of the Jeep Liberty CRD is that their test engineers seem to know very little about driving a diesel vehicle. Here is the key quote, "The five-speed automatic shifts smoothly, but keeps the engine at high revs. Expect 18 mpg overall." Huh? The only way to keep the engine at high revs would be to have the pedal on the floor all the time. No wonder they averaged 18 mpg. They need to take their foot off the accelerator and let the engine's high torque do the work. There is not reason for this engine to pass the 3000 rpm mark in normal driving. Mine rarely passes 2000.
I've only driven my Liberty CRD for about 2500 miles, but I have kept detailed records of every gallon of fuel and every mile driven. My worst mileage was 20.5 mpg, and my best was 26.9 mpg. That is in mixed city and highway driving. Consumer Reports claims that their worst mileage was 11 mpg, and their best was 26. I've racked my brain to figure out how anyone could get 11 mpg in this vehicle, and the only answer is that they just plain didn't know how to drive it.
Disclaimer: I'm not trying to start the automaker flames going again. I've owned vehicles from Ford, Toyota, Plymouth, Subaru, Mazda, GMC, and now Jeep. I liked some better than others, but they were all good.
Welcome to the forum. I too was a subscriber to CR in the 1960s. I was into photography and needed a good inexpensive 35mm camera. I accepted CR as an authority. The camera I bought at their recommendation was junk and I was out a lot of money. I have not trusted their testing ever since. I agree that to get 11 MPG on anything less than a half mile trip to the store that was on top of a mountain would be hard to believe. They need to just fess up that they are owned by Toyota so everyone knows where the info is coming from. They should have tested the Liberty against the VW Touareg TDI. In reality the Liberty CRD is in a league all by itself in the USA. Glad to hear you are doing well with yours. I wish they had them in CA for me to test drive.
Good point Caribou 1 ! . I always believed in testing the product after reading CR reviews. I wondered what their test requirements were as well.Thanks for clarifying that.
I also would like to include J.D. Power and Associates reviews in my decisions as a first step towards buying a product.It gives a different point of view,and of course ours is the last review. Then test drive,or even ask people what they think like you guys that own one !.
I have driven Jeeps for a long time,as I come from a Jeep family,who has owned each generation,after another. I have found that so far Daimler has done a good job of improving the vehicles,ride and power.The handeling on the 05' or newer Liberties I think , you'll be impressed.
They used to ride alot harder and with a bob,now that is changed big time.Thats what sold me .Plus the pulling power.
Plus not to mention I was leary about the new 5 speed Automatic ,but very impressed with the shifting .very smooth. From what I see Chrysler will be implementing these trannies in all their trucks,to improve fuel mileage. Like my 94' Gr,Cherrokee ,I have religiously changed the tranny fluid and filter every 2-3 years ,and radiator fluid .I have been lucky enough that I never had any problems with shifting or what not. I anticipate good results with my Liberty as well.As the Tranny and Xfer cases are most important,to keep cool and lubed well. This vehicle like my Grand will be getting it's use .Which is the proof in the pudding... Peace ..
Thanks for the information on tire pressure. Did what you suggested and love it. Our other vehicle is a Malibu with GM spec'd Insignia's. Raised it two psi and same effect. I noticed that both tires carry a 44 psi for max load. I think I used to see 44 psi only on "H" rated tires. These tires seem to thrive on this very small bump of pressure. Some years back I believe the michelin site had good charts on speed ratings and load carrying capacities at different psi from maximum. This bump in psi might even be better for that. These Bridgestones are the first tires in my many decades of tire buying that responded well to a bump up from the engineering suggested psi. Thanks again.
After my last post my "monty python like" brain cell fell into its socket and the light bulb went on. I checked Edmunds tire help, michelin, yokohama, and goodyear for load specs. I think years ago I saw a chart that if you change to tires with greater psi for max load range, you may need to increase psi to get to a new vehicle manufacturer's recommended psi. I'm not with the Jeep now. But the wranglers max on the goodyear site is 35 psi and the Bridgestones' max at 44 psi. If my memory is not playing games with me, a further boost in psi may be needed.
I thought the up Up top console was just going to be another silly technological doodad, thingamagigger, or gewgaw. But, it really helps with driving the vehicle efficiently. On a recent trip averaged 26 mph through desert, mountain, and ( little ) city tarmacking. City is right around 20, but with a light foot can stay around 22-23. In general, it seems keeping the revs at 2000 or below is the key to getting excellent mileage. Of course this can be difficult on the highway where 2000 rpm seems it'll only get you about 65-70 mph. My brain having been racked, maybe they had the test car in low four wheel.
Jeep rims cost a fortune over here, and I would not take the risk of buying anything else for safety reasons. In the winter I can't go offroad because of the snow, in the summer I need the good beefy profile to play with my toy. Remains a 1/3 of my mileage when I could use summer tires but again I would not be able to discover new paths to take the dog for a walk. I love animals and wildlife, so I have to stick to my T/A's
Interesting points about CR. It does seem that they do not know how to drive a diesel properly.
I generally will keep the RPM's below 3000 and usually no higher than 2500 RPM. I have found that the acceleration is more than adequate for everyday driving. How did they get 11 MPG? I cannot imagine how that is possible unless they were trying to tow the QE 2. I am curious to know what kind of mileage CRD owners who tow get. In mixed driving I average about 21.5 mpg while on straight highway I have been getting between 27 and 28 mpg.
I to have owner cars from GM, Ford, Isuzu, and Chrysler. All of them had their strong points and their weak points. Some were better than others, some were easier to maintain while others were hard to maintain.
As to my CRD, I am pleased with it and it has met or exceeded most of my expectations.
I have found that the manufacturer's pressure ratings are geared more toward ride comfort with less emphasis toward control. On my CRD, if I drove at the recommended 33 PSI pressure, the ride was soft but the steering felt mushy and sluggish. At 36 PSI, the ride is a little firmer but the steering feels far more positive and responsive.
The other two good things about running at the higher pressure are that the tires run cooler (less flexing) leading to longer life and improved fuel economy. If you do a lot of highway driving, I have read/heard that increasing tire pressure by about 10 - 15% over the rating on the door placard is a good thing to do so long as you do not exceed the maximum tire pressure of the tire when cold.
Interesting thought... I never knew that Toyota can possibly own CR!! I agree, the review is flawed. The only comparison in there is the Nissan Xterra. It has TONS more power than the Liberty and probably will outlast it. If I were in the market for either, I'd buy the Xterra. The Liberty gasser would be my second choice.
Hi kappy44, I'm a liberty owner from italy, My jeep seems to have the same problem...it starts to overheat as soon as it start to climb a hill (not a serious climb). My dealer (Chrysler) has my car for 1 week and he have no idea of what is the problem. I've found your post searching the net and i'm asking you if you have solved the problem.
There is no witchcraft about overheating. When the fan turns and the pump moves the cooling liquid around it has to cool down. If it doesn't you may have a blown gasket or a defective cooling circuit in your engine. Can you heat the cabin? Just after the engine gets hot, can you feel the same temperature on the radiator hoses (top and bottom)? I would have already stripped mine to pieces if it overheated!
This overheating issue is so bizzare. I know that at least one of the people in this forum has written directly to Daimler-Chrysler. Has anyone considered writing to VM Motori, the manufacturer of the engine? They do have a website and they have responded to my queries fairly promptly.
Other thought is this, could the antifreeze mixture be incorrect? Could you have a bad radiator? I know it is new, but it just might be possible. Have them do a flow test on the radiator to make sure all of the tubes are open. Another possibility just hit me. Since this engine is a larger cousin of the 2.5 L, could they have installed the wrong water pump or wrong pulley on the pump at the factory?
If it only overheats under load, then not enough heat is being pulled off of the engine, so some of what I mentioned above might apply.
All valid points caribou1. A blown head gasket will give you a cloud of white smoke when starting, but not always. But if the head gasket is blown, then would you not overheat all of the time? Consider the compression ratio of the diesel 17.5:1!
My 300SDL would overheat on hills also.. When starting, white smoke would come out for a solid minute.Then no more smoke. I later found out that it had a cracked cylinder head...$1600 to weld and machine. So! I bought my Libby!
You have to remember I have a 40 year old vendetta against Consumer Reports. I would say most anything to discredit them. I just don't like the way they do business.
The comparison between the Xterra and Liberty is interesting. Are they real good off road? They do have more HP with a little less torque than the CRD. Towing is the same. Priced pretty comparably. Nissan has a long history of 4X4s. I decided on the new Toyota Land Cruiser in 1964 because the Datsun Patrol was more expensive. I think it was a mistake. The Land Cruiser was also a hardtop and the Patrol was a rag top. Either one in good shape is at least triple what I paid new in 1964. I am waiting till they put that diesel in the Wrangler. Make it my desert rig.
lol, you're as bad as me Gary. I got my first canoe back in '73 and read CR instead of going to the local whitewater shop. Haven't trusted their reviews to meet my needs since.
Mine was an expensive 35MM camera they said was the best. Was nothing but trouble. Should have bought a Nikon. I did dump my CR subscription after writing them a nasty letter.
PS Here is a blatant plug. I have learned more about cars on Edmund's than CR could ever give me. You have to wade through a lot of opinions. But it is free...
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As for the fuel, if a large number of eighteen wheelers buy their fuel at this place, it should be fine. When I travel, I prefer to buy at busy truck stops. I know their fuel will be good.
Using #1 fuel can be problematic. It is usually reserved for use in the winter when it is really cold. Generally #2 has been treated so that there are no problems in the winter. Using home heating oil has some issues attached it. If you get caught using it in your car, it could mean serious fines and/or jail. Also, the fuel may not be as clean as the diesel you buy at a station.
As for biodiesel, it should be marked on the pump if it is or not. There is a place locally that sells B100 in one pump and regular diesel in another pump. You can blend your own. Add one gallon of B100 and then fill with regular diesel and this will give you a B5 blend. I usually do this and my CRD runs more smoothly and is quieter too.
Had my liberty Diesel for 3 monthes ,it's the best thing since sliced bread !
I do alot of mileage as well.
If you are just being practical you can get the sport with the optional Diesel instead of the Ltd, with all the toys,and save yourself about $4000.
Either way I think you'll be more than happy with it,I sure am.
My Ltd is a patriot blue on chrome but what I really like is the new color coming out Salsa red pearl coat ,very nice ! one to look out for !.
If you do get one make sure you spend the extra $300 , for the towing package or roof rack .These are great options as you'll find that it makes the vehicle more usuable and practical ,for more things than just a commuter vehicle.
I have towed with her pulled a 2000 lbs trailer like nothing.
I also found that I have been averaging 30 mi/gallon Canadian on her .
Watch out for speeding the mileage rating is based on 55 miles /hour.
thats where it gets it best mileage.Anything faster and it will drop that mileage drastically because of the turbo.
About the diesel fuel I am sure you have 2 grades of it at the pump right .we do here in Canada.
Also we have been experiencing high fuel prices <$3.50/gallon> which is why I am so glad it is about time Chrysler came out with an affordable diesel.The option is about $700 .Not bad considering a hemi is about the same price,yet double the cost in fuel per year,just for power.
I have found that the torque is the same ,and it has lots of passing power plenty speed too,very comfortable.They up graded the suspension in the 05' s.
Get the towing package you'll be grateful you did.
peace
Lightnin3...
Here in Canada we have plenty ,but you have to goto a qualified dealership to get one ,as most don't have trained staff to sell it yet.It is still a new product and they weren't sure if people were ready for the diesel.
Cheers..
Lightnin3...
I am a electrician ,and I 'll warn you that all battry sells have a maximum life ,so far 5 years.
Even though the Toyota 's reputation is what I believe over blown,fogged with gum drop ideas of the perfect car.Because of biased comsumer reports.Which I think is bogus anyways.Why is it that J.D power and associates have a differring view on this??
Besides I don't believe in their quality ratings.if so why don't you see one more than 10 years on the road ??
I'll tell you why because they are too expensive to fix and no one will admit it.Haha !
Plus imports ,they rust out after 5 years and look like crap .
Lets take a picture of a RAV 4 and my 94' Gr.cherrokee after 10 years we'll see who's the better !.
Time will tell ,
besides at least I am investing in a North American product,that is like investing in my own job .and your job too,because lets face it ,we are all tide to the automotive industry one way or another right? buying an asian car is like throwing away money to Asia making some CEO over seas rich instead of being re-invested here.
This the truth to the claim to fame of why North America is so successful,and why we have such a successful future.
Well you'll be glad to know that I heard in 06' the Gr.Cherrokee will going deisel as well.Hurrah !
Ask any mechanic that reliability is up there with fuel mileage ,and that a diesel take less maintenance than any other vehicle,less problems.
And I don't have to borrow anyones vehicle to tow .I am still getting 30Mpg under 55 mi/hour,and I am happy finally that Chrysler has come along way with their products.
Peace..
Lightnin3...
Besise I am using the recomended oil for the vehicle the best on the market.Mobile 1 Synthetic,and I doubt that with a Synthetic oil it'll go .Most people won't put up the minimal cost of synthetic oil ,but it is a proven product GREAT ! for turbo's ...Hahaha ! besides a turbo kit is alot cheaper than that $6000 battry in your car ..hahah ! which I know it's going to die in 4.96 years haha !. :sick:
Peace ..
Lightnin3...
They employ 1.8 million workers here
How many does Toyota employ?? 1000,each plant. Thats laughable ..
You have to consider the small parts plants too that feed our plants .
Asian "assembly plants" employ a minimum of employees here !
while in Asia the percentage is alot higher.
That why import parts cost more.you'll pay $150.00 for a pair of brake shoes and I'll be laughing because I pay $40. Hmmmm. who is saving now ? Plus I don't have to wait ,I'll be in and out of a dealership in 2 hours fixed and on the road,while you'll be waiting for the parts to be shipped...
Peace..
Lightnin3...
If and when your Prius does fail, I am sure you will find the largest rock possible to hide under. Anything made by man, no matter where it is made or how well it is engineered will fail in some way or another.
What brand of water eliminator/dispursant do you use for your CRD? How often do you use it? Every tank, once a month?
Those are just assembly plants 1000 workers here ,a 1000 there .Still doesn't compare to 1.8 million big 3 workers.
The big 3 profits do get re-invested here.Why are we getting new big 3 products here? new plants ? .Come over to the dark side you know it to be true....
Buy a big 3 vehicle, it'll prove it's quality over time.
I know I am going to have fun up north travelling using for whatI paid for to be used for ,not worrying if my battry is going to die.
Have a nice summer
Peace ..
Lightnin..
Try News & Views for more or check out What is an American car?. But the topic here is the Liberty Diesel.
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I would suggest these as they are my first choice .They have come down alot in price,as they are popular.
With my new liberty I am swaying towards BF goodrich All terrain T/A KO? for winter tires and a good summer sport tire ,like a Hydro edge type,for low noise.
But If you want a more rugged tire than this and don't care about noise the BF goodrich Mudterrains are even better for for snow and rough stuff.
peace ...
I come here to read about owners experiences and compare them to my own, not read about a debate on automotive globalization or worse, to read snide posts by non-owners who want to unfairly trash my choice in vehicles.
Ick. I'm outta here.
The hosts should delete all posts that are cantankerous in nature and off topic. This will discourage future posts of that type.
Thank you all for your prompt help.
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Thanks for the good comments on driving in Winter weather. From your picture it gives me confidence that the Jeep will handle Gitchi Gumi's snow. However, that isn't my real concern. It's starting the Jeep when she gets really cold out.
Comments indicate that my concern is unwarranted. However, if the Jeep doesn't start on a -20 F day, I will be beyond frustrated and my angst may proceed in an unwarranted direction. No one will want to be in my immediate vicinity during that happenstance.
The battery is insulated. Do any of you recommend an insulated battery blanket with an electric heater?
Years ago I used to have a car with a 6 volt system. I used to take the 6 volt battery out of the vehicle every evening to assure a valid engine start the following day. Given that it takes more horsepower (watts) from the battery to crank over a diesel engine, I wonder if this or similar actions will again be needed. It came to my mind that big mining trucks use compressed air to start their diesel engines due to battery problems. Diesels need torque for cranking and cold weather takes the oomph out of lead acid batteries. More ideas?
In their element of terrain I have found them to be superior off roading tires and I was only giving a suggestion if the need arises .I have had good results with them back in the bush towing in area of fire roads back roads ,and logging roads,and stump pulling as well.
They kind of give that extra jerking power ,especially if it is a diesel.
I definitely would suggest the BFG All terrain T/A KO 's for an all purpose winter use tire<nice and sticky ,beefy tread pattern . It looks as if they give you an extra inch higher clearance,because of the extra rubber.
They are quieter than my Michelins<LTX M/S are .
I guess If it came down to price Michelin is an excellent choice ,because of longevity.
But I would suggest to have 2 sets of tires and rims for winter /summer use.
For maximum grip,and longevity.
Thats my thoughts....
Peace
Lightnin....
I think the main flaw with their review of the Jeep Liberty CRD is that their test engineers seem to know very little about driving a diesel vehicle. Here is the key quote, "The five-speed automatic shifts smoothly, but keeps the engine at high revs. Expect 18 mpg overall." Huh? The only way to keep the engine at high revs would be to have the pedal on the floor all the time. No wonder they averaged 18 mpg. They need to take their foot off the accelerator and let the engine's high torque do the work. There is not reason for this engine to pass the 3000 rpm mark in normal driving. Mine rarely passes 2000.
I've only driven my Liberty CRD for about 2500 miles, but I have kept detailed records of every gallon of fuel and every mile driven. My worst mileage was 20.5 mpg, and my best was 26.9 mpg. That is in mixed city and highway driving. Consumer Reports claims that their worst mileage was 11 mpg, and their best was 26. I've racked my brain to figure out how anyone could get 11 mpg in this vehicle, and the only answer is that they just plain didn't know how to drive it.
Disclaimer: I'm not trying to start the automaker flames going again. I've owned vehicles from Ford, Toyota, Plymouth, Subaru, Mazda, GMC, and now Jeep. I liked some better than others, but they were all good.
I wondered what their test requirements were as well.Thanks for clarifying that.
I also would like to include J.D. Power and Associates reviews in my decisions as a first step towards buying a product.It gives a different point of view,and of course ours is the last review. Then test drive,or even ask people what they think like you guys that own one !.
I have driven Jeeps for a long time,as I come from a Jeep family,who has owned each generation,after another.
I have found that so far Daimler has done a good job of improving the vehicles,ride and power.The handeling on the 05' or newer Liberties I think , you'll be impressed.
They used to ride alot harder and with a bob,now that is changed big time.Thats what sold me .Plus the pulling power.
Plus not to mention I was leary about the new 5 speed Automatic ,but very impressed with the shifting .very smooth.
From what I see Chrysler will be implementing these trannies in all their trucks,to improve fuel mileage.
Like my 94' Gr,Cherrokee ,I have religiously changed the tranny fluid and filter every 2-3 years ,and radiator fluid .I have been lucky enough that I never had any problems with shifting or what not. I anticipate good results with my Liberty as well.As the Tranny and Xfer cases are most important,to keep cool and lubed well.
This vehicle like my Grand will be getting it's use .Which is the proof in the pudding...
Peace ..
Lightnin3...
My brain having been racked, maybe they had the test car in low four wheel.
http://www.vmmotori.it/uploads/doc/1162.pdf
I generally will keep the RPM's below 3000 and usually no higher than 2500 RPM. I have found that the acceleration is more than adequate for everyday driving. How did they get 11 MPG? I cannot imagine how that is possible unless they were trying to tow the QE 2. I am curious to know what kind of mileage CRD owners who tow get. In mixed driving I average about 21.5 mpg while on straight highway I have been getting between 27 and 28 mpg.
I to have owner cars from GM, Ford, Isuzu, and Chrysler. All of them had their strong points and their weak points. Some were better than others, some were easier to maintain while others were hard to maintain.
As to my CRD, I am pleased with it and it has met or exceeded most of my expectations.
I have found that the manufacturer's pressure ratings are geared more toward ride comfort with less emphasis toward control. On my CRD, if I drove at the recommended 33 PSI pressure, the ride was soft but the steering felt mushy and sluggish. At 36 PSI, the ride is a little firmer but the steering feels far more positive and responsive.
The other two good things about running at the higher pressure are that the tires run cooler (less flexing) leading to longer life and improved fuel economy. If you do a lot of highway driving, I have read/heard that increasing tire pressure by about 10 - 15% over the rating on the door placard is a good thing to do so long as you do not exceed the maximum tire pressure of the tire when cold.
I'm a liberty owner from italy, My jeep seems to have the same problem...it starts to overheat as soon as it start to climb a hill (not a serious climb). My dealer (Chrysler) has my car for 1 week and he have no idea of what is the problem. I've found your post searching the net and i'm asking you if you have solved the problem.
Thanks in advance for your kind reply
Other thought is this, could the antifreeze mixture be incorrect? Could you have a bad radiator? I know it is new, but it just might be possible. Have them do a flow test on the radiator to make sure all of the tubes are open. Another possibility just hit me. Since this engine is a larger cousin of the 2.5 L, could they have installed the wrong water pump or wrong pulley on the pump at the factory?
If it only overheats under load, then not enough heat is being pulled off of the engine, so some of what I mentioned above might apply.
You have to remember I have a 40 year old vendetta against Consumer Reports. I would say most anything to discredit them. I just don't like the way they do business.
The comparison between the Xterra and Liberty is interesting. Are they real good off road? They do have more HP with a little less torque than the CRD. Towing is the same. Priced pretty comparably. Nissan has a long history of 4X4s. I decided on the new Toyota Land Cruiser in 1964 because the Datsun Patrol was more expensive. I think it was a mistake. The Land Cruiser was also a hardtop and the Patrol was a rag top. Either one in good shape is at least triple what I paid new in 1964. I am waiting till they put that diesel in the Wrangler. Make it my desert rig.
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