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  • dandrews1dandrews1 Member Posts: 184
    That's really unfortunate... Oh well, it just means I have to get handy with relocating the PDC sensors to an outboard fascia. It's not the first time I've had to handle something like this...

    While I'm at it, I'll see if I can't do up a mod to add a reverse camera (with parts from the RR) hooked into the dash screen.

    Is there any place to get detailed wiring information for the PDC and GPS / 4X4 info centre in the LR3 and RR? I'd like to do the camera exactly like the RR where it shows up in the GPS window on the dash...

    Cheers!

    Don
  • roverrichroverrich Member Posts: 5
    Does anyone have experience with the LR Expedition Rack for the LR3? What I want to know is a) how noisy is it and b)how much did your mileage suffer? I had a tubular expedition rack on my Disco II and lost at least 1-2 MPG on the highway. TNX. :shades:
  • ssp1ssp1 Member Posts: 115
    When i was test driving my LR3 it had the exp rack on it and made alot of noise BUT not nearly what i have seen in other vehicles. mostly it was that it affected light coming in on the sunroof. i like the rack alot but switched it out and went instead with the two rail utility rack. i think its as good as it gets aerodynamically.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Member Posts: 134
    I have old Thule feet that lock in the roof tracks and Thule cross bars. With a large Thule cargo box (the long, skinny, fairly aerodynamic one, not the big square box type), I have almost no wind noise. With just the Thule feet and cross bars, but no cargo box, it whistled quite loud.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    "Although we've experienced some minor glitches, we've never been stranded or left without the LR3 for any real length of time. If you're looking for an SUV that can do it all, the LR3 is a worthy choice in the midsize luxury segment."

    Long-Term Test: 2005 Land Rover LR3 (Inside Line)

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    "After 18,000 miles and one year of service in our long-term fleet, the 2005 Land Rover LR3 doesn't look any worse for wear."
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    but it is its ancestor. I just saw this video and thought it was funny.

    Top Gear video
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Did you also watch the Hummer vs Defender video? It's just one of those situations where a longer wheelbase gives you the advantage.

    H1 v D90
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yeah sometimes you do need a longer wheel base but...

    The defender tires looked questionable at best and they were not aired down. First rule of off roading is air your tires down then I bet he would have had fewer problems. Didn't help that he was spinning his tires through mud covering those rocks in slick mud making it even more difficult for himself.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    I agree that lower tire pressures would certainly have helped, as would a more sensitive application of the right foot, but ultimately I think that the terrain just favored the longer wheelbase.

    If the LR had managed to climb the initial rock, it would have been at such a steep angle (because of its length) that continuing under its own power would have been almost impossible............which is why winches were invented! ;)

    I think it would be fair to say the the greater track width of the Hummer gave it an advantage also.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yeah it is very hard to design a off road vehicle for all situations.

    A H1 is too wide for lots of trails and even though its IRS/IFS set up with geared hubs gives it awesome ground clearance it also creates problems since it does not have a cross linked valve set up.

    The off-road driving school we go to sometimes has a section called the steps of doom or somethign like that. It is made up of rock ledges that are between just over one foot and just under two feet high. Each ledge is about 90 inches wide so a D90 doing over the course is very painful indeed but it is one of the few vehicles that can cross this obstacle. No H1 has ever done it because it losses traction when the IFS/IRS set up hits ledges it does not put enough force down on the other tire to keep traction.

    No cross-linked valve IFS/IRS Land Rover has ever tried the course so not sure if the cross-linked valve set up will mimic a solid axel enough to go over the ledges. A LR3 or Range Rover would probably still need some modifications to cross the tallest ledges though. Would probably need to have the bumpers trimmed, larger tires that can be aired down more easily and the ability to manual select EAS extended mode.

    These videos are kind of cool from the British Motor show.

    British Motor Show Land Rover Experience
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 20,766
    at the very least amazing rear suspension travel!
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Member Posts: 134
    Below is the response I got from a NAPA car care member who is also a gas station owner.

    To begin with gasoline refiners lower the octane ratings in the fuel according to the altitude. Octane ratings provided by car manufacturers are printed for use at sea level i.e. 93 octane rating would be at seal level could relate to a 91 octain at Denver's altitude. So since less octane is required at higher altutude the refiners automatically blend it that way.
    To answer your question specifically it has to do with the mass of the air. Air has more oxygen at sea level and is normally heavier. The weight of the air can depend on humidity. Heavier air is harder to ignite requiring more
    octane to create a hotter flame or bigger bang. The weight of the air at our altitude is generally lighter and we have less oxygen which requires less octane to create the same combustion. So if your vehicle owners manual says to use 91 octane you could probably use 89 octane at this
    altitude. What you have to keep in mind is....if your mfr. is referring to a higher octane gasoline with the unwritten idea that along with higher octane comes a premium fuel with more additives because they feel that motor
    needs a strong additive package i.e. detergents, etc. than lowering your octane which may also reduce the additive package in the fuel. Most engines are affected by the swirl effect of the air as it passes the motor.
    Carbon buildup will disrupt that part of the engineering. It will also soak up fuel. So if you drop from 89 octane midgrade fuel to 85 octane unleaded fuel you may likely building up more carbon which will result in what we
    call octane requirement increase or ORI. This can cause the engine to ping or detonate, run poorly or decrease fuel mileage.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    On the NECAP web site.

    Land Rover LR3/Disco III crash test.

    All Large Off-roaders tested.

    The NECAP test is more closely related to the IIHS test then probably any other crash test although in my opinion I think the NECAP test is a little more demanding.
  • lr3maybelr3maybe Member Posts: 134
    General has a new tire that looks good for off road use. Their website says available fall 2006. It looks to be the same size as the factory 18 inch size. Called the General Grabber AT2

    See link below (I don't know how to make it so you can just click on it).

    http://www.generaltire.com/generator/www/us/en/generaltire/automobile/themes/van- /all_terrain/grabber_at2/master_en.html
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    Hey, if Land Rover wants to fly me to Belize, put me up in fancy digs, give me some swag and let me tour around the countryside in a nice new rig, I'll be happy to write up a glowing report too. :shades:

    Another fun link: A Sell-Out's Tale

    Where do I sign up?
  • ssp1ssp1 Member Posts: 115
    I wonder what tires they were using?

    "The only non-factory item on our jungle Land Rovers were the tires—which were designed for deep mud. " Can we find out?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    They had to be Goodyear Wrangler MTRs which are not avaliable in the US because they are not DOT approved. The MTRs are the only maximium traction off-road tire on the market for 19 inch wheeled vehicles.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    I'm sure you're right. MT/Rs work well on and off road, especially in mud, and are OE on Jeep Wrangler Rubicons and AMG H1s. The tread pattern can just be seen here.

    image
  • chomondelychomondely Member Posts: 15
    I have an XC 90 AWD with 148,000 miles on it. Ilive in Houston.
    I have only used regular gas fro the past 147,00 mile without any ill effect.
  • morganeer8morganeer8 Member Posts: 1
    Dear fellow LR3 owners.
    Even though I'm as far away as Denmark, (no that's not the capital of Sweden) I hope it's ok for me to pass on a few thoughts.
    I've now owned my 06 model LR3 TDV6 HSE for a few months, and I just love it more and more for every day. The usual "suspension fault" problem and a few other minor problems has been sorted at an upgrade service with Land Rover, and everything is now perfect.
    Want to turn your LR3 into a real headturner ???
    Well I recently bought a set of 22"x9" KAHN wheels for my car, with 35 profile tyres, and let me tell you, what a treat ! I now find myself driving slower through town traffic getting looks from everyone seeing the car. Due to the air suspension it hasn't changed the comfort at all and it feels more sharp in handling. It is simply absolutely beautiful in all respects.
    Someone please tell me how to add photos here and I'll make sure you can see for yourself. I don't know if it's allowed to give links, but try http://www.projectkahndiscovery.com/ and see all that nice stuff they produce.
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
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  • dandrews1dandrews1 Member Posts: 184
    Interesting vid.

    ;)Who wins?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Ahh I got a good one as well for the LR3.

    Tallest Mountain in scotland.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Who wins?

    Certainly not the unsuspecting customer that eventually buys the ex-demo RR!
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Tallest Mountain in scotland.

    A shorter version could almost be used as an official LR promo. Tires obviously played a major part, and the line handling by the recovery crew was pretty scary, but I think it's a 'must see' for any owner that has the slightest interest in the offroad capabilities of their vehicle.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Yeah the whole winching experience there had me cringing. I was just picturing the line breaking, uncommon but it happens with steel line, or the land anchor coming undone and then you would have a fatality for sure.

    I have no idea where the nearest hospital to that mountain is but it can't be close enough even by helicopter.
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    British_Rover--- As we discussed on the other thread.... there is a computer upgrade for my LR3 to improve the gas mileage?

    For the last few tanks, I have purposely driven the speed limit with slow starts and rolling stops. I'm still averaging 11.5-12.0 for the tank. If I get on the road, it will go up some but fall back down if I do city driving.

    The vehicle runs so well I wouldn't want the computer change to effect anything else. I use Premium.

    I'm thinking of having all three sunroof's tinted darker. I wish the sun-shades were not perforated. I just don't like the sun coming in on me or my passengers. I have this vehicle in the desert at the moment and the sun us quite strong. What are your thoughts on that?

    Thanks, Mark156 :)
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    I don't know if their is a specific patch or update for gas mileage but there are several new patches out now. You gas mileage just seems low to me like something is not working properly. Not sure if you LR3 is doing the rolling stop tranny clunk but I know there are several different patches attempting to fix that problem which should also improve gas mileage.
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    BR.. no clunks out of the transmission... runs smooth. The next time I take the LR in for service, I'll mention the gas mileage and see what they say.

    I'm not sure if the dealer is best for the tinting the sunroofs or a place the specializes in that.

    I'll let you know what LR says when I take it in.

    Thanks, Mark156
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • grommetgrommet Member Posts: 445
    mark156, I know two people that had their sunroof cover fabric covered with opaque material. So, that's one thing you could do. They still roll back like the factory ones. (A decent interior/upholstery shop can do it... if you aren't up to the task.)

    You can check the LR3 MPG thread for "real" MPG feedback from owners... tidester, "Land Rover LR3: MPG - Real World Numbers" #1, 20 Jul 2006 9:17 pm
  • lmgkeyslmgkeys Member Posts: 20
    Thank you for the info. It helps.
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    British_Rover.. I tried to raise my LR3 to that 'extra' high setting and I couldn't get it to work. I didn't read the instructions but just went by what I remember you saying.

    I put my foot on the brake and held the "raise" selector for 40 seconds. I tried it in the garage with the transmission in neutral, and then in drive.. did not go up.

    I pulled the LR3 out in the driveway where a part of my driveway is very steep. With the LR3 angled at least 30 degrees, I couldn't get it to raise to the 'extra' setting.

    The reason I was wanting to try it as I cleaned out my wheel wells today so now the LR3 is shinning!

    Mark156 :D
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • mark156mark156 Member Posts: 1,915
    Grommet, thanks for the info... I'll have to check into that. Sounds like a good way to solve the sun from coming in the sunroof through the perforations of the cover.

    Mark156 :)
    2010 Land Rover LR4, 2013 Honda CR-V, 2009 Bentley GTC, 1990 MB 500SL, 2001 MB S500, 2007 Lincoln TC, 1964 RR Silver Cloud III, 1995 MB E320 Cab., 2015 Prevost Liberty Coach
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    That procedure only works if you are already in extended mode. First you have to get into extended mode. To do that you need to jack up the vehicle enough that one wheel comes off the ground with the engine running. That should kick the truck into extended mode. That might not do it though since techincaly extended mode is supposed to kick in when a vehicle is high centered and a wheel breaks traction.

    Probably not a good idea to jack up the LR3 get a tire almost off the ground and then step on the gas.
  • quixotequixote Member Posts: 4
    I am considering a first SUV after my Audi A6 and like the LR3. But I am concerned that Rover rates last in J.D.Powers. I don't live anywhere near a dealer so can't be running to the shop on a regular basis.
  • ssp1ssp1 Member Posts: 115
    Consider a few things. The most recent JD power survey was for durability and therefore was based on 2003 models. (the one published last week or so). Alot of the complaints - so I understand - were from the Freelander. You are probably not buying that one because its been discontinued here to be replaced with the LR2.

    Further - and someone else should pipe in here as well - my research showed that the complaints arent measured or ranked on JD Power - meaning you could have an engine fail or a plastic cover fall off and those count the same.

    Edmunds has been doing a long term test drive and you can access that on this site somewhere. Although the person doing that test drive doesnt seem to know how to use the sport mode (or command shift) becuase they said the LR3 has weak pickup - it just aint true!

    When I bought my first Land Rover (3 years ago and I bought my 2nd LR, an LR3, three months ago) I asked a zillion LR owners if they liked their vehicles and they all loved them. Thats what Consumer Reports doesnt rank "do you like your car"

    Finally, and I read this a long time ago, there are statisticians who challenge the validity of the surveys some of these outfits do (JD or COnsumers) and that the Consumers test drives are too short term or one off. For example how come some models move up and down the rankings from year to year but they are made at the same factory? Why Does CR like one model but not another where the difference is only a name plate. Do you really want a Hyundai?

    I spoke with a dozen service techs who either worked at LR dealers or were at independant service centers and had worked for LR and this was what I got in response:

    1. For Discovery - look at the 04 or get the LR3 (no long term data yet on the LR3 but mine hasnt had a problem)
    2. For Range Rover - the 03 (and I think 04) models have the BMW 7 series engine and techs rave about that one.
    3. Dont get a freelander rather wait for the LR2 to come out.
    Several said the new platforms (LR3 and Range Rover Sport and RR for 07 and LR2 for 07) should really perform well and again to be determined

    Finally finally - LRs are just cool. They kick [non-permissible content removed] off road and there isnt a 4x4 out of the box that a regular joe can buy and not modify and do so much plus you get a luxury car. They look so much better than others that are generic and your luxury brand competitors dont have the off road ability

    Thats my 2.5 cents
  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    We have various JD Power circle ratings for most makes/models. Some years have mid-term and long term rankings and most have the initial quality ratings. Here's the ratings for the 2004 Discovery for example:

    link

    You can find rankings for other cars with the Used Car tab at Edmunds via the Research link.
  • photodiscophotodisco Member Posts: 17
    I have gotten an offer from my local Land Rover Dealer (the one i like) for taking an order for an '07 HSE fully loaded at invoice price minus any "available discounts" or rebates. Does anyone here know what discounts and offers are currently available? I am a current Disco II owner.

    Seems like a good deal - any thoughts?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Well there aren't gonna be any rebates on the 2007 models they first month they come out. This is Land Rover not Dodge/chevy/ford or even Mercedes.

    Even 2006 Models do not have rebates on them right now. There is some marketing support, not the same as rebates which land rover typicaly never has, on certain land rover models and trim levels.

    Right now there the LR3 HSE has 2,000 dollars of marketing support avaliable for purchase only not lease.

    As a curent Land Rover owner you also get 1,000 dollars of owner loyalty bonus for LR3s only and then only for new vehicles not service loaners or demos.

    I just don't understand dealers blowing out cars like that when they are brand new no mileage vehicles that have not even come in yet. It just devalues the brand. It also makes many people question if they are getting a good deal since obviously there must always be more discounts avaliable.

    :confuse:
  • rromanrroman Member Posts: 4
    Here are some snow tires for the 19" rims.
    Pirelli Scorpion Ice & Snow (Light Truck/SUV Studless Ice & Snow)
    for 2006 Land Rover LR3 HSE Standard Model Load Rating: XL.
    http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?&autoYear=2006&vehicleSearch=true&tireMa- ke=Pirelli&partnum=555HR9SCORISXL&tireModel=Scorpion+Ice+%26+Snow&autoMake=Land+- Rover&autoModClar=Standard+Model&i1_Qty=4&autoModel=LR3+HSE
  • dropper1dropper1 Member Posts: 3
    I was told today by a dealer that a targeted $2k coupon / rebate campaign is available. Can anyone confirm and offer advice on how to acquire a coupon?

    British Rover, you mention $2k in marketing support - is that the self-same promotion?

    Thanks.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    No that is different. The $2k coupon is also called a private offer and is sent out to a certain number of people who fit certain demographics. Someone that attended one of the recent land rover events would get one as well.

    The 2,000 dollars of marketing support is Land Rover is available on just about all V8 LR3s if you don't do a lease. Leases have the 2,000 dollars factored into the lease in the form of enhanced residuals and money factors.

    The 2,000 dollars might not apply to HSE LR3s I don't remember exactly.
  • dropper1dropper1 Member Posts: 3
    Ok great, thanks for sharing. My dealer recommended I keep hitting the LR website in attempt to receive the $2k offer (via a pop-up or something)... not sure that would be an effective strategy given what you shared.

    Do you know if the marketing dollars set to expire anytime soon? They didn't share that tidbit with me.

    Cheers.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Sometimes they have those certificates pop up on the LR website sometimes they don't. Never figured out the rhyme or reason to it though.

    Typically the marketing support ends at the end of the month but they normaly extend it.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Member Posts: 8,502
    Just found this on You Tube.

    XK and LR3/Disco go ice dancing.

    Very cool.
  • liv4theroadliv4theroad Member Posts: 9
    I am also in the market for an LR3. Yesterday I answered a survey at LandRover.com and today I got an email with a coupon for $1500 discount on a purchase or a lease for LR3 SE and HSE. If you are in FL , Land Rover of Palm Beach has a $2000 off coupon for purchase and an additional offer of 5000 off MSRP.
  • tjones39tjones39 Member Posts: 31
    Yes I am in Florida, where did you take the survey on Landrover.com? I filled out the request more information but didn't get the email for the 1500 coupon. Also do you know for Palm Beach with the 2k & 5k offer they have can you apply that to a lease?? Thanks for your help!
  • tjones39tjones39 Member Posts: 31
    I just went to the LandRover site a few minutes ago and a new popup did come up and asked if I would take a survey after visiting the site. Took about 5 minutes so hopefully I will get the $1500 rebate emailed tomorrow.

    Liv4theroad please let me know what kind of deal you get worked out? I posted my lease deal under the LR3 lease questions section also. Not bad but I think they can do better so I am interested in what Palm Beach has, if you can answer my question above please? Thanks
  • dandrews1dandrews1 Member Posts: 184
    Hi everyone! Just a few questions about how to best keep good care of my new LR3 HSE.

    I've pretty much gotten every available option on it.. I only drive about 10,000 km on it per year. (about 6200 miles)

    When should I be thinking about changing my fluids and filters if I just picked it up this week?

    Also, I've read about uneven tire wear in some previous posts.. can someone who has experienced that let me know what the details around that were? Was it just under-inflation (over inflation?), hard driving, or a suspension setup issue? I'm wondering if there is anything I can do to minimize any potential excessive tire wear?

    Also, did the people who had the air suspension issue ever get closure with that problem? I think the 2005 model may have had it more than any with a 2006 I have heard of - did 2006 resolve the issue?

    Thanks in advance!

    Don
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