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Anyway, we were going to buy a Mazda3 or Mazda6 this month until I saw some pictures from the NAIAS. Then we were going to wait it out, fix up the Civic, and buy an '05 Mustang GT sometime next year. Problem is, we have a 4 month-old at home and the Mustang would be no more practical than the Civic at this point. Plus it would be a first year model, etc., etc..
Here's are latest plan. Sell the Civic on our own and lease a Mazda6, or something else that's fun to drive and has 4-doors, for 3 years. We can then buy the Mustang after the lease has expired and the kid can climb back to the car seat on his own.
We are hoping to get somewhere in the neighborhood of $5000 - $6000 for the Civic (low miles but needs some exhaust and shock work) and use $2000 - $3000 of that for the lease. Will we get screwed at the end of the lease in any way if we follow through with this? Is there anything we should bargain for during the process?
I am open to all suggestions and advice any of you might have to offer on our current situation. Like I said, we've never leased before and I want to go into the showroom with some ammo if I can.
Thanks in advance!
Thanks for your info regarding the Cayenne Residuals and Money Factors. YOU ARE RIGHT about the Porsche dealer marking up the Money Factor. He asked the money factor I was getting for the 3.0 and when I said .0025 (incorrectly, it is .00225) he quickly replied "same as ours". Now, I find out from you it's .0023...what would I do with you?
I am sitting on a great deal on an X3 and have a couple of days to decide. I know the MF and residual and the dealer took a week to get back to me but when he did the deal was MSRP:$42,395 with my as Price:$39,520 - that's on a BMW X-3 3.0 in stock with a few options. It comes out about 600 above invoice or $2875 off (I've yet to hear of anyone getting this great a quote).
However, because it took the dealer so long to get back to me the V6 Cayene caught my eye and after test driving the X-3's (3.0 and 2.5) and the Cayenne. I prefer the base V6 Cayenne to the optioned X-3 3.0 and the price is similar.
Thanks for the Toureg suggestion and I know the Toureg is similar but because I have a VW now, the VW dealerships have left me disgruntled (over a $256 repair), I am not interested in a VW (though I know it's made by the same people) either that or it could be a function of where I live (Beverly Hills) that makes em opt for the Porsche.
If I get the Cayenne down near the price point of the BMW. I will buy. I could have never got the BMW deal I got without your insight and once again your info will prove invaluable in negotiating the Cayenne. I will let you know the deal I get before I sign on the dotted line!!
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Sales price $25,500
Acquisition fee $600
Negative equity $1700
Cap cost $27,800
Residual 51%
Down payment 0.00 (ZERO)
Monthly payment $381.24+tax/mo. 48mo/48K lease
Due at signing, 1st payment and security deposit
Just a sample
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I feel comfortable (as much as can be expected during car neg)that I understand and arrived at the same mo payment b4 taxes.
I have learned from you that the mf can be marked up for back end profit but am confused about the residual %.
I have received from two dealers - quotes with two different residual %'s for the same lease length?
One dealer is giving me 51% for 42 months and the other is 53% for 42 months.
non lease question - what were your thoughts on the sale price of 31,500 for Acura TL automatic non nav tl? just curious if I should continue to neg the sale price.
MANY THANKS FOR ALL YOUR INSIGHT!!!
LUCIFER
So far, they are quoting cap cost near invoice.
Thanks again!
Mark
You helped me on my last car acquisition a few years ago, so let's go for round 2!
This time I'm interested in an Audi A4 Cabriolet - 3.0 Quattro leased for 36 months at 12,000 miles. Also would like data for a 42 month lease with same mileage. Thanks!
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At lease signing, BMW Financial Services lessees normally have to pay their vehicle's first month's payment, a security deposit of that payment rounded up to the nearest $25 increment, and a lease acquisition fee of $525 (slightly higher in some states). The security deposit and acquisition fee are required by BMW FS and individual dealerships have no authority to waive them. BMW FS will usually waive its security deposit requirement for returning lessees though. You may have seen some advertised leases that do not mention the acquisition fee. If this is the case, this likely means that the acquisition fee has likely been added into their vehicles capitalized cost rather than being paid separately.
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When negotiating your deal on the vehicle that you want to lease remember that the selling prices of leased vehicles can be negotiated, just as if you were paying cash for or financing them. You should be able to get a good idea of what this car is going for at this time by looking up its Edmunds.com True Market Value in the New Vehicle Pricing section of this site. You also may want to pay a visit to the following discussion to see what other community members have paid for similar cars lately: kragilan "Mazda6: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" Jan 8, 2003 4:14pm. Before seriously negotiating with any dealers you also want to make sure to find out what the current lease program is like for the model that you want prior to discussing monthly payments with any dealers. I am usually able to give consumers and idea of what the current money factor and residual value should be like on the model that they want if they tell me the exact trim level that they are considering, how long they want to lease it for, and how many miles per year they need to be able to drive it. There is a great article here at Edmunds.com that has a ton of information on leasing. You may want to check it out: 10 Steps to Leasing a New Car. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
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Negotiating shouldn't be too difficult as I do qualify for Mazda's S-Plan discount and can save $1500-$2000 on a Mazda6 right off the bat.
If you could please provide me with the current money factor and residual value (specs are below) I'd appreciate it.
Thanks again for your help!
Vehicle Specs:
2004 Mazda Mazda6s
3.0L V6
5-speed manual tranny
Bose audio pkg
SAB/SAC
ABS/TC (standard on s trim)
Moonroof
Sport pkg with spoiler (includes 17" wheels)
Leather seats
Luxury pkg
Let me know if you need anything else.
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You deserve a medal!!! (Does Edmunds give those out? )
I am getting close (or at least running out of time on my current lease) to make a decision :-).
36month/ 12K a year for:
Mercedes C320 (all wheel drive and non all wheel drive versions if there is a difference)
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Scott
Thanks for such a valuable service. I am in the market to lease a 2004 Lexus GX 470, basic package (no NAV, no DVD, no Entertainment). Can you provide money factor and residuals for:
a) 15,000 mi/yr and a 36 mo lease
b) 12,000 mi/yr and a 36 mo lease
Finally, a rookie question. Should residuals be calculated off the MSRP or off the price I pay?
Thanks again
Since you told me they are notorious for marking up money factors makes me wonder what else they will pad!
I know the price margin between the invoice and the MSRP I want is hefty ($4600). I don't even know where to begin with a fair price but I at least want to know all the fees involved. My price quotes have been around 2K off those models that are lightly optioned.
I will be leasing a Nissan Murano SL Fwd 4dr SUV (3.5L 6cyl CVT). I have negotiated the price down to invoice price but I am in need of the money factor rates for this vehicle.
It has these options:
Premium Package
Carpeted floor mats
Cargo Area protector
Sunroof wind deflector
I will be leasing for 60 months at 12000 miles per year. Could you please provide me with the current money factor and residual value on this vehicle?
I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
Thanks so much for all the info you share been observing here for a while and the info you provide invaluable
Looking for the same basic lease info albeit for two different vehicels (one my wife is favoring and one I'm leaning towards...we'll see who wins)
2004 Ford Excursion EB 4x4 V10 Gas & a 2004 Range Rover. I have a lease calculator and I'm looking for the base money factors and residuals for each vehicle. Please assume top-tier credit and a 48 month lease with 15k
Thanks again...
I will be leasing a Nissan Murano SL Fwd 4dr SUV (3.5L 6cyl CVT). I have negotiated the price down to invoice price but I am in need of the money factor rates for this vehicle.
It has these options:
Premium Package
Carpeted floor mats
Cargo Area protector
Sunroof wind deflector
I will be leasing for 60 months at 12000 miles per year. Could you please provide me with the current money factor and residual value on this vehicle?
I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
I'm assuming it's factored into the residual value and can only then assume that it should be subtracted from the lease price as well.
I interested in leasing a 2004 G35 Coupe w/leather and the following options: Premium package, aero package, and sport package. I want a 48 month lease with 15K or 18K miles per year. What type of payment would I be looking at with a mid 600 credit score?
Thanks,
I forgot to say. I'm trading in a car worth approximately $2500. Sorry!!!
Is it a good idea to get preapproved by their financing before going to the dealer? (I know everytime you get pre-approved it reduces your credit score a small amount.)
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"Chrysler Ending Leasing in New York
"Chrysler division on Thursday became the latest automaker to stop offering auto leases in New York due to a law that holds leasing companies, rather than drivers, liable for accidents.
The company's finance arm, Chrysler Financial, said its exit from the New York lease market would take effect May 1.
Chrysler said it was pulling out of the market because of New York's so-called 'vicarious liability' law, under which the owner of a vehicle, and not necessarily the driver, is held financially liable for accidents.
The law, which Chrysler dismissed as 'antiquated,' dates back to the early 1920s and was originally intended to hold vehicle owners liable for accidents caused by livery drivers and chauffeurs.
Since leasing companies are listed as owners of the titles of the vehicles they lease, the law allows accident victims to pursue leasing companies for damages.
At least six other automakers have stopped offering leases in New York because of the law, including Chrysler rival Ford Motor Co.
As an alternative, Ford has begun shifting new leasing customers into so-called 'balloon' loans that work like a lease but transfer ownership of the vehicle to the driver.
'The current legislative environment in New York has forced us to exit based on the significant financial exposure we risk if we continue to offer leasing in the market,' Klaus Entemann, a senior Chrysler Financial official, said in a statement.
The statement added that Chrysler could re-enter the New York market if 'meaningful reform' were forthcoming from local lawmakers, however.
Leasing is about twice as popular in New York than in the rest of the country, largely because of the tax breaks it offers businesses."
Those of you who are interested can check out the full text of this article by clicking on the following link: Reuters - Chrysler Ending Leasing in New York.
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Again, thanks so much for your help. I am extremely close to pulling the trigger on an 1.8 A4 Quattro lease, taking advantage of the .0002 money rate you provided me. I hope to make the deal tonight.
I have one final question. You gave me the residuals on a 1.8 Quattro (56% and 54%) and CVT (54% and 52%) for 12,000 and 15,000 miles for 36 months.
I am thinking of going 39 months to keep the payment down a bit.
Can you tell me the residual on a 39 month lease of an A4 Quattro, both for 12,000 and 15,000 miles? I promise this is the last time I will bother you. Thanks!
I think it's great you're willing to help others!
I leased a used 1999 Olds Bravada from a dealership that doesn't sell Olds. When my lease ends, where do I turn it in, or does 5/3 get it?
I'm hoping to "trade it in" for a new SUV, but we all know Olds value nowadays.
Are the lease estimators pretty accurate? It states about $500/mo for $30K vehicle, which I thought was high. It seems that people are getting these "nice" vehicles for less than that. I do not know their credit scores, though.
Thank you.
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The accuracy of lease payment estimators varies from Web site to Web site. I have found though that most lease payment estimators are not very accurate. The ones that are on sites that are not affiliated with automakers usually don't have access to accurate lease money factor and residual value information, which can throw their estimated payments way off. Even the calculators on manufacturers' own sites can have incorrect info or base their lease payments on unrealistically high selling prices.
One's credit rating will have a significant impact upon whether they can even lease a vehicle at all. Many banks will not lease vehicles to consumers with bad credit and the ones that do often have significantly higher lease money factord for consumers with low credit scores.
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