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2000 Toyota Celica GTS
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alex2364, it would be better for people around if you get your ticket for speeding like that and cutting over three lanes of traffic. It is not like I mind you slamming into some post, its your choice, but such guys tend to do damage to others around. Just hang the picture of a police car on your rear window, if that's the only way to keep you driving safely.
I also saw a mention on a parts web site (forget which one) that a turbo for the GTS is coming soon. Does anyone have more info?
My GT-S (auto, loaded) had unevenly worn rear brake pads ("sticking calipers") and a "deformed" transmission gasket at my 15k service, but they fixed all that under warranty.
I'll try the Armor-all suggestion for the plastic, but didn't see anyone suggest anything for the leather...
The GT is plenty fast and you will not be disappointed I assure you. You can order these cars with no options or all options. If your dealer tells you otherwise he absolutely sucks. A few of the options are an incredible waste of money and the dealer just wants the cash. So my advice is definitely the GT with an automatic and maybe the spoiler package with foglights. The moonroof and leather is decent for the price but I don't no a single Ferrari with a moonroof and I feel it distracts from a classic work of art that the celica is. By the way, I have had manual cars for years and am just not impressed with Celica ergonomics by the pedals. Get the 2002 Nissan 300zx coming out in manual if u must have a shifter.
The celica is hands down the best deal going in cars unless u let the dealer stiff you. I cannot believe how many post on here are incorrect and it bothers me that people are so confused. Option ?'s, GT doesn't stand for anything ( duh, of course it does), how "wonderful" a blown 1.8 engine is when it is damn near impossible to even illegally use all the power of a regular GT. Oh well, just take this away I guess.........these message boards typically have the most wacked bunch of advice and incorrect information out there....... except mine of course party on then
1st - 37 mph
2nd - 58 mph
3rd - 80 mph
4th - 101 mph
5th - 129 mph
6th doesn't have enough power to keep up after 5th and will actually pull you back. I would imagine these speeds would have been measured at redline. During racing, and going to the limiter, the speeds increase a few mph.
BEFORE I BOUGHT THIS CAR A HAD A 91 SUPRA TURBO WITH 147,000 MILES AND IT WAS FEELING OLD, I REALLY WANTED A NEWER SUPRA BUT THEY ARE SO HARD TO FIND. I TOOK THE WIFE OUT TO DINNER ONE NIGHT AND COAXED HER TO THE TOYO DEALER, JUST TO LOOK AROUND FOR ANY USED SUPRAS, AND SHE SAW THE CELICA, BUT I REALLY WANTED A SUPRA. WE LOOKED AT A BLACK GTS 6 SPEED AND I STARTED TO GET A LITTLE EXCITED AND SHE SAID LETS TAKE IT FOR A TEST DRIVE.( I COULDN'T BELIEVE SHE OFFERED B/C OF THE TIME IT USUALLY TAKES) SO OFF WE WENT WITH THE SALESMAN, HIM DRIVING FIRST, HE REALLY DIDN'T SELL ME THE CAR ON HIS LACK LUSTER ABILITY TO REALLY DRIVE THIS CAR. THEN IT WAS MY TURN, WHAT A DIFFERENCE THIS CAR WAS SCREAMING DOWN THE HIGHWAY AND WHAT REALLY GOT ME WAS WHEN I WENT UNDER AN OVERPASS AND HEARD THE EXHAUST SOUND, ALTHOUGH BE IT FOR A SPLIT SECOND, I WANTED THE CAR, BUT IN SILVER. TWO WEEKS LATER I GOT IT AND HAVE ENJOYED IT GREATLY. I JUST GOT BACK FROM A TRIP AND IT WAS AWESOME. AFTER ABOUT TWO WEEKS I REALIZED I HAD TO PERSONALIZE THE CAR SO I HAD THE WINDOWS TINTED AND I BOUGHT THE BRA. THE CAR REALLY LOOKS SHARPS. THE STEREO IS ONE OF THE BEST SOUNDING STOCK SYSTEMS I'VE EVER HEARD, BUT I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND HOPE SOMEONE COULD ENLIGHTEN ME. FIRST WHAT IS THE POWER/WATTAGE RATING OF THE STEREO AND SECOND I CAN ONLY SEE SIX SPEAKERS, THE BACK SPEAKERS ARE HARD TO SEE WITH THE GRILLE, HOW ARE THE SPEAKERS CONFIGURED IN THE BACK?
Welcome to Edmunds, silverrocket. Try turning off your 'Caps Lock' next time.
The speakers in the lower part of the door consist of a mid-bass driver(6 1/2") and a midrange/tweeter combo (2"?) on a platform mounted above the woofer. The speakers in the rear panels are also 6 1/2" mid-basses, but seem to handle midrange better than the front.
Here's a page with pics of all of the speakers and the stereo:
http://www.members.home.net/6spdceli/stockstereo.html
carlady/host
I go 3750 between changes on mine which helps the oil change intervals to line up nicely with the remainder of the maintenance schedule. Besides, I get lifetime free oil changes where I purchased my car (Champion Toyota - Austin). Of course, they can't seem to change the oil in less than 2 hours........
The 7.5k oil change interval goes nicely in hand with the 7.5k tire rotation interval. Of course, the 15k service is $180 or so, but most of that is labor on 90 minutes of poking around...
(On the other hand, the dealer where I bought it recommends oil changes every 3.75k and the 15k work every 7.5k. And that's what they give the coupons for.)
As for getting my in-dash CD player fixed, their continual replacement efforts and their inability to find anything wrong with the ones they took out of my car told me that Toyota and the radio manufacturer didn't have a flippin' clue between the two of them. Their idea of trying a "different kind of radio" was giving me one "direct from Toyota" rather than direct from the actual radio manufacturer. Without some evidence they came up with a clue about why all of mine, plus the one in the car they had me test drive to see if I could swap radios with it, skip, I wouldn't waste my time taking it back yet again.
Illinois lemon law doesn't say the defect has to affect drivability, but it does have a 12,000 mile limitation, and I drive too far to work to have gotten in my four radio repair failures in the 12k miles. But if I'd found my brake problem at 7.5k instead of 15k, I would've seriously wanted a new car, maybe my money back. (Especially since the brake-rubbing sound in the rear came back despite cleaned calipers and new rear pads and rotors...)
Let's just hope Toyota knows what was wrong and has quietly fixed it for 2001. I may test drive a 2001 just to see if the radio works, then ask for a replacement if it does...
(looking for a spare magazine for the 6-changer; Best Buy has magazines with every other icon but that one...)
I know this has prob. been asked a million times but i want to know if $23000 is a good price for a gts loaded with everything
Thanks
Rob
I think the drivers are way too critical of the Celica in their Long Term Road Test.
-------------------TRANSMISSION-------------------
Mr. Brauer complained about difficulty in shifting smoothly from 1st to 2nd at full throttle. I haven't had any problems with this since I became accustomed to the transmission (and this is my first stick). The key to smooth shifting is to gradually release the clutch, not just dumping it.
Mr. Romans complained about clutch engagement, too. He says it happens to quickly, and he even stalled it twice. Solution: again, release the clutch slower. It's all about finesse. He also said the throttle and brakes were not progressive. If they were not, you'd be peeling out/crawling from every start and screeching to a stop/rolling through every light! The brakes on this car are excellent. There is always more braking power in the pedal, even when it seems like you're at the max. And I love his comment "It is possible to drive this car smoothly, but it takes an unnecessary level of concentration." I'm sorry if it interrupts his cellphone conversations! I thought driving a car was supposed to be about concentration (many people may disagree, and their driving habits show it!).
Mr. Chirico complained about not being able to stay above 6000 RPM's on each shift. The key to this is to powershift. Just slip the clutch while giving gas into the next gear and you'll stay in the second cam. You can also take it up to 8200, and it will land you at or about 6000. I've actually been able to shift from 1st to 2nd and land at 7000 RPM's. And, unlike Mr. Brauer's comment, it makes the shift much smoother.
--------------------VISIBILITY--------------------
Once you get used to this car's blind spots, you'll adjust. The mirrors need to be adjusted correctly (I posted about this some time ago, topic #281). I've never had to adjust my mirror to see the curb next to me, and I've never hit a curb.
---------------RATTLES, NOISES, ETC.--------------
Enough of the comparisons to BMW's! This is a Toyota, not a BMW/Lexus/Mercedes/Acura/etc.! It's a sporty car, not a luxury car! It costs $25k, not $40k! It has a 4 cylinder that revs all the way up to 7800 RPM's (and beyond)! It is not loaded down with lots of heavy sound deadening material! Of course it's gonna be loud! I've even heard that the Integra Type R is much louder. You keep complaining that the Celica isn't a "Type R killer." Of course not, it's a mass production car, unlike the ITR. Try comparing the comfort and everyday driveabililty of the ITR to the GT-S and you'll see the difference! Besides, The GT-S was aimed at the Integra GS-R, which it surpasses in every category.
The rattling sunroof is caused by the the rails the cover slides on. They are not tight enough, so it vibrates and rattles. The rails just need to be slightly bent outward at the rear to tighten their contact with the cover (a screwdriver will work).
And give me a break about Mr. Gardner's date! I'm sure she wouldn't be complaining about loud engine noise if she were in a Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, Viper, Porsche, etc. BTW, the reverse beep can be disabled by cutting a wire. And if she is concerned about people looking at her, she's in the wrong car!
-----------------MINOR NITPICKING-----------------
This is just me being pickey about minor mislabeling.
June '00: The GT-S engine was called VVT-i (Variable Valve Timing with Intelligence), when it's really VVTL-i (Variable Valve Timing and Lift with Intelligence). The lift part is the second cam profile which engages at 6000 RPM's to increase intake and exhaust volume. This is pretty much the main difference between the GT and GT-S engines.
August '00: Variable valve timing was described as engaging at 6000 RPM's, when it is actually engaged all the time (this is what makes VVTL-i more advanced than VTEC). The second cam is what engages at 6000 RPM's.
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I'm sure most of these problems are the result of the drivers not being accustomed to the car. I just don't want these reviews to scare off potential buyers. This is an amazing car with incredible potential. It is fast, responsive, and comfortable. The only real problem listed in these reports is the sunroof creak, which can be resolved.
One complains of lack of performance, another complains of lack of luxury. Some of us like a car that can give us adequate performance (0-60 under 7secs is enough for me, at least until parts start coming in) and a nice enough ride. Everyone that has seen my car has complimented every little bit. They sit inside in awe of the lush leather seats and gripping console which wraps delicately around the driver and finally they all ooohhh and ahhhhh when they notice the pedals. Then I start the car, warm it up, and lurch it past 6k rpm and all I heard were "whoahhh"'s.
It's a car that will get you where you want to go, quickly if you want, and in reasonable comfort. It's not a barely-legal street racer. It's not a luxury suv. It's a sports car for the masses. One can only hope the editors stop comparing the car to what it isn't and start looking at what it is.
SIDE NOTE: I've had no prob with the sunroof. The dealerships know of this problem, stop it by, eat a doughnut, and drive away. If you can see the side of your car in the side view mirrors they're wrong. If you don't wanna turn your head when changing lanes, fix the mirrors. I'd hope that people that are around cars for a living would know how to adjust mirrors. And finally - it's a 1.8 liter 4 cylinder stick shift japanese car. It's not gonna pull like a viper - so give her a little gas when starting and whoever Mr. Experienced Stick Shift Driver was shouldn't have any more problems with killing the car. And again - a Ferrari is a Ferrari, a Rolls Royce is a Rolls Royce. You could complain of the bumpy ride in the Ferrari or the of the Rolls Royce not being a McClaren killer, but then you would have the Long Term Road Test of the Celica GT-S. I think I've made my point.
Thanks!
-Dianne
Just a positive note for the versatility of this little sports job. Great car.
Also what is the normal gear ratios for the gt and gts?
Does the gts really require premium gas?
Is there really a big difference between the 6 or 8 speakers?
I was looking at the sunroof in the car and barley has any space to go back douse it slide all the way back??
In the dash there is a little ash tray looking compartment,what is it??
Is the antenna a retractable, is it automatic or do you have to push a button?
Are there ducts in the back of the car??
I know it a lot and a pain but I would really appreciate the help?? Thanks in advance!!!
How much more horsepower does the air filter give the engine? Will it cause my car to consume more gas? If anyone knows the true facts please let me know. Thanks!
-------------------GT VS GT-S---------------------
The main difference between the GT and GT-S is the engine. The GT's engine has 140 hp and 125 lb-ft torque, and uses VVT-i (Variable Valve Timing with Intelligence) to maximize power and fuel efficiency. The GT-S engine has 180 hp and 130 lb-ft torque. However, it uses VVTL-i (Variable Valve Timing and Lift with Intelligence), which is the same technology used in the GT, plus a second cam profile (Lift) which increases air flow through the engine at 6000 RPM and above. The GT-S's engine's power rises dramatically at this point, whereas the GT's power drops. If you really don't need the increased power, go for the GT. Best thing to do would be to test drive both. I was planning on getting a GT, but I'm extremely happy I went with a GT-S (VVTL-i ROCKS!!!!!!). Oh yeah, 6th gear in the GT-S only pulls the car back when you're around 130 mph!
-------------------GEAR RATIOS--------------------
GT gear ratios:
1st: 3.17:1
2nd: 1.90:1
3rd: 1.39:1
4th: 1.03:1
5th: 0.81:1
GT-S gear ratios:
1st: 3.17:1
2nd: 2.05:1
3rd: 1.48:1
4th: 1.17:1
5th: 0.92:1
6th: 0.73:1
----------------------GAS-------------------------
The GT-S doesn't require premium gas, but using it is the only way to achieve maximum performance. It has a knock sensor that adjusts to prevent damage to the engine.
----------------------STEREO----------------------
The only difference in the speakers is the addition of extra tweeters mounted on the top of the doors, near the side view mirrors. The other thing you get with the premium stereo option is an amplifier that produces a noticeable increase in treble, bass, and overall loudness. If you're planning to get an aftermarket head unit, don't waste your money on the premium stereo. If not, the premium stereo is pretty decent.
--------------------MOONROOF----------------------
The moonroof (can anyone tell me once and for all what the difference between a sunroof and a moonroof?) rises first, then slides back, outside the car. I saw the last generation Celica's moonroof, and it looked much smaller.
------------------COMPARTMENT---------------------
If you're talking about the little compartment above the radio, is just for storage. Fits tapes fine, but forget about CD's (I'm planning on putting a monitor in there for my car MP3 player!:D). It has a rubber mat on the bottom to stop vibrations and to keep things from sliding around. If you're talking about the little compartment in between the HVAC controls and the shifter, yes it is an ash tray.
---------------------ANTENNA----------------------
The antenna just sits there, swaying in the wind. You can unscrew it easily, but that's all it does. There is also an additional antenna in the rear window (looks like part of the defroster), though it does not pick up AM signals.
----------------------DUCTS-----------------------
There are no ducts in the bumper. The black horizontal groove is there just for show.
interesting, and I think honest, comparison and
ranking of these four cars.
The Type R was top dog, followed by the GTS. The
Lude and the GSR were third and fourth. The
article has horsepower/ton vs speed curves for each car which are pretty interesting.
Toyota has left the GSR behind and given the ITR
some very healthy competition. With everyone
buying SlowUtilityVehicles these days,
we should all hope that these companies keep
pushing each other in the affordable compact
sports market.
The engines are also completely different bore and strokes, but who'd notice. For the 5 ft-lbs of extra torque it's pretty much up to a personal test drive and your desire to pay 20 cents more per gallon for fuel. I strongly recommend AGAINST the GTS/automatic. The GTS engine overall is not an impressive performer and is only made acceptable with the 6-speed.
The top gear does pull down the top speed, but that is common with many cars. The 6-speed gives you the ability to keep the RPM at or above 6000 during hard accelerations. This is the only place the engine performs well, unfortunately thats only 28% of the allowable rev range.
Don't get me wrong, I like the car, but you have to realize that is more of a sporty economy car than an economical sports car.
The GTS also gives benefit of the 4-wheel discs (N/A on the GT). The small compartment above the radio is for GPS navigation in Japan, which is not available here in the US, so it's just storage.
If your question about ducts in the back is regarding ventilation of the back seat - NO, but that's not a problem. No one will ever want to sit there. The back seat is only acceptable for small pets and amputee children.
Good luck and good deal hunting.
Others claim that you never need to look back if the mirrors are adjusted properly, but they'll be the first whining to the cop that they couldn't see because of the poor rear view. You just can't see to back up in parking lots and a quick lane change borders on dangerous. Any redesign to improve the outside appearance should also try to improve the view from inside-out.
if there is such a thing, when is it gonna come out and what's the price?
What company is gonna make this upgrade?
Valve float is when the pistons are rising and falling so fast, they don't return to their lowest point, but still rise the normal amount. Eventually they will rise so high that they hit the valve covers, damaging the covers and themselves beyond repair (generally called bending the valves).
Toyota did install tighter shifter springs after 1/00 to try to alleviate this problem, but apparently it hasn't. Any Celica with 019684 or higher as the last six digits of their VIN has these springs.
You're lucky your dealer is replacing your engine. Some dealers will tell you it's your fault and try to get out of replacing it.
I haven't really heard of dealerships replacing the transmission and clutch due to bent valves, though. Did the dealership say what was wrong with them, or if they're replacing them with different parts than the originals?