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So ridiculous that they're coming up with new crap after the system is rolling. I just can't believe that the government doesn't try to pilot some of these projects before they roll it out for the whole country to use.
That's bullsh*t if this is the case!! Dealers and consumers who struck deals before they were supposed to are ok??? But those dealers and consumers that waited as instructed for the official start of the program are screwed????
It is highly succesfull. I don't think they can afford to make to many more eligible.
It is no different then when some one needs a 740 credit score to get a 4% rate. The ones with 740's think it is fantastic. The guy with the 739 hates the program.
Sloppy stores can and do have BIG problems.
Just not worth ti.
The 4.9 (300 cubic inch) Ford engines were one of the best engines ever produced by anyone. The were tough and powerful and they lasted forever.
And, I'll bet you maintained it well.
So now, that sweet little engine will get it's oil drained and it'll get a death mixture of silicate poured into it and it's life will grind to an end in about three minutes.
Just seems like such a waste.
Most recent dealer says approval should be within 24-48 hours.
Oh stop it, you're bringing a tear to my eye!
My grandmother's cousin, who lives next door to me, recently had an F250 4x4 pop up in her driveway. Not sure of the year, but it's the '80-86 "shark-nose" style. I asked about it...turns out it's her son's ex-wife's son's truck. I guess that would make him her ex-step-grandson? Anyway, Mom & the new stepdad had it at their place and told him to get rid of it, so it showed up here. I'm curious to go see what engine it has. It's so filthy that I don't even know what color it is...I think it was white, but now looks sort of a grayish-cream. But it looks solid and rust-free.
Didn't mean to make you cry but could you stand there and watch them do that to one of your cars? A car that served you well that you took good care of?
I know, it's just a car but still...
And I don't think you have any idea what kind of exposure I face in my job as a Pediatric ICU nurse. Pointless argument. I hope you are doing your job properly, and you hope I am doing mine properly.
To me it looks like you think...
They wouldn't do what I wanted + BAD STORE
They did want I wanted = GOOD STORE
Um, no actually:
They whined and complained to my face about having to process this rebate = BAD STORE
They completed this BUSINESS transaction efficiently = GOOD STORE
If dealers don't want to participate,,,,then don't.
the new car 'owners' seemed more anxious than upset.
pretty smart of joel to work with the system during 'off peak' hours.
Thye shouldn't have "whined and complained". They should have been professional and I know a lot of stores aren't.
I agree. If they don't want to participate, they shouldn't. The stores that do need to take the steps necessary to protect themself if the program runs out of money.
Some GOOD STORES are probably on the edge financially and a couple of big hits could push them over.
What about the Intrepid?
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
July 30, 2009 - 11:37 am ET
UPDATED: 7/30/09 2:43 p.m. ET
The cash-for-guzzlers program may run out of its $1 billion funding "well before" its Nov. 1 expiration date, a spokesman for the National Automobile Dealers Association said today, after the government said dealers have already applied for 10 percent of the funds.
....As of 4 p.m. Wednesday, dealers had submitted 22,782 deals worth $95.9 million in reimbursements, NHTSA said today in a statement.
That's an average of $4,209.26 per deal, indicating that a majority of sales include $4,500 vouchers
.....(NHTSA spokesman Rae) Tyson said he did not know how long it would take for dealers to receive their payments. The government's www.cars.gov Web site says it will take about 10 days for voucher money to appear in dealers' accounts after each request gets approved.
He pointed to his comments Wednesday in an interview with Automotive News, when he said NHTSA was taking steps to ensure that if the program budget is exhausted, dealers would not be left holding the bag for credits they paid to customers without getting reimbursed.
"We will not, repeat will not, put those dealers at any risk in terms of transactions they may have in the pipeline," Tyson said Wednesday
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090730/ANA05/907309982/1078- &AssignSessionID=173357438780107
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It sounds like they will make sure dealerships don't get screwed, which is good news for customers worried that dealerships are going to hang them out to dry.
That's 10% in five days, but again even Tyson himself could be wrong about the number of requests for C4C vouchers in the pipeline when he made his comments.
If it was really 10% in five days, though, then I guess the program could make it into September...
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
yeah i dont believe my aunt has gifted anything before but if she has to pay taxes to get full ownership of the vehicle then that kind of defeats our purpose, which is obvi to get out of paying taxes 2x. even though she is a cosignor on the loan with the company (and the owner) she would still have to pay taxes to remove the co. from the loan/registration??
it really doesn't matter if her name stays on the vehicle, or if mine is ever on the vehicle (although i figured it would make things easier), we really just don't want the car to be on the company's books very long.
can you think of any other loophole?
if not, i guess my 4500 gov't credit will turn into more of a 3k credit, which is better than a sharp stick in the eye...
I went by the book and did everything that was asked from me. Now I feel my title that I paid for is held hostage. I signed no waiver. They said the deal will be complete when they get their check. Why am I paying for the insurance if basically they are saying they still own it. - Anyone
We went through all the paperwork as well (as if we made the purchase) except for writing the check to the dealer. That will be done when our C4C application gets approved, or maybe even when the dealer receives the money. I'm not sure which. But I feel that the dealer did as much as they could to secure the deal for them and for us. At this point, it's just they are not sure if they will actually get the check from the government even though we can't think of any reason why not. They need to protect themselves, which is perfectly understandable. As much as I like to drive the new car home, I will be patient.
I finally got through CARS hotline after a few attempts, and also heard that as of today, the approval turnaround may take 4-7 days, and for the dealers to get the check after approval it will be even longer. That's okay. We've been driving a clunker for at least one year, and half a month more will not kill us.
Yeah, the Silverado's the only one that would qualify. It's a 1985. My next newest car(s) would be the New Yorkers, 1979 models, and then the '76 LeMans, '67 Catalina, and '57 DeSoto. And even if any of them did qualify, I'd never do it. I look at the more as oversized toys then cars anyway, so it would be hard for me to part with any of them. Although I'll admit that every once in awhile, I've thought about just trying to find the nicest '79 New Yorker in existence and then selling off my other two, in the hopes that would quench my R-body fetish. But, probably not, as the things end up being sorta like lost strays that I take in. :P
And even the Silverado, I wouldn't want to C4C. If the circumstances were different, perhaps. Say, it was my only vehicle and I had a 40-50 mile or more commute, like some of my cow-irkers, and didn't really need a truck. It's only rated at 13 mpg combined, so to get the full $4500, I think I'd only have to find something that got 23 mpg combined or better. Basically, any midsized 4-cyl should be able to top that, and I guess some of the V-6es could, too.
But, I like having a truck, and would rather have a cheap, paid-off truck than have to run out and buy another one. And I know what's wrong with this one. If I C4C'ed it and then went out and bought another old truck, say, the F-250 that I can see from my window in my neighbor's driveway, who knows what kind of problems that thing could have?
As for my 2000 Intrepid, it's rated at 21 mpg combined, so it's too efficient to qualify. Maybe, if the circumstances were different and say I'd bought a Crown Vic instead of an Intrepid back on November 6, 1999, I might be tempted. Only problem there is I'd have to get something that got 28 mpg combined to qualify for the full $4500...most cars that I'd normally go for would only qualify for the $3500. And then, if the car was still running as reliably as my Intrepid is, I would be reluctant to C4C it.
Yeah, and being an F250, I guess there's a good chance it just might have a 460 under the hood! My guess though is probably just a 302 or 351.
And no, I think I'd have a hard time watching a car of mine get crushed, especially if it was something that had been in the family for a long time, and it had been a reliable, faithful car. Sorta make me think of that Little House on the Prairie episode where Pa Ingalls was about to shoot Laura's dog because he thought it had rabies...even though it was perfectly fine! :surprise: I guess I just get too sentimental.
C4C or no C4C we never give the title on the day of the transaction because it has not been issued in your name yet. All they have is the MSO, we apply for the title and the state mails it to you 6 weeks later. Guess what I am saying is they don't have your title, the state still needs to issue you one.
If someone is doing there own title work we do not give them the paper work to do it until 10 days after there check clears.
Apparently, the gov't is worried about running out of $$ and the dealers are worried about the back log.
I admit,I didn't think this would go over that well. Guess I was wrong.
Of course, it is a government program - they aren't used to having to actually adhere to a budget :P or keep track of details :shades:
Hopefully, they will get all the kinks worked out and program rebooted. At least for the original amount of the bill.
The Obama administration is telling lawmakers that its much-touted "cash-for-clunkers" program is already running out of money and will be suspended Thursday night, according to three Senate aides familiar with the discussions.
The program - aimed at giving at boost to the U.S. auto industry — was supposed to expire at the end of October. But in the one week since it took effect, it appears to have run dry of the $1 billion allocated to it, aides said Thursday.
The White House will need to decide whether to push for more money at a time when it's also pushing an ambitious and expensive domestic agenda - or let the program fade after it was touted as a way to help Detroit while improving the environment.
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Wow!
Now the Hyundai dealers are looking very smart. The dealer I went to started taking C4C deals on 7/27, and could not enter the deals into the system on that day.
i wish they gave more details on the suspension...like how are they going to handle those that have already paid for their new vehicles and did all the paperwork and were just waiting for verification...
no one is answering the phones right now at my dealership...
My dealer told me that my car won't be killed if the voucher is not paid. Maybe a "fake kill"?
They were. Doesn't matter at the moment.
Guess I'll be driving the clunker a while yet. Unfortunately I already sold my "good" used car in anticipation of funding the down payment on a new one. So in my case I'll be putting miles on a 13-mpg clunker instead of on a 31-mpg used Civic.
Nice environmental impact. . .
I suspect that the program will be re-launched in three or four weeks, once the backlog is cleared. The enforcement will be substantially the same, but the procedures for reimbursement will have been clarified, perhaps with an instant certification by electronic means--which would automatically attach an encumbrance of the appropriate sum of money to the destruction of a particular clunker. This is a basic accounting principle, analogous to filing a travel authorization request before embarking on a business trip, and following it up with an expense statement upon returning.
We have not been holding the cars, if you brought the correct paperwork and the cars.gov site say your car qualified then we delivered the car. I think some dealers have been holding the car waiting on the funding. If thats the case plan on waiting 13-15 days to pick up your car
just hope they process it before its confirmed that funds are drained...
I don't know what they were thinking.