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And Mitch, who are you & your relative to label people "cheap" because they only want to buy the car. Do you always purchase an extended warranty on every electronic product you buy...or even on every vehicle you've ever bought? Who made you the "decider" of how people should spend their money...I'm confused here...please enlighten me. People are buying what they can afford and your relatives dealership is making $ so she and others like her won't loose their jobs if the industry goes south. Both you guys need to think before you speak/type because it doesn't put y'all in such a good light...G-d gave y'all brains...try to use them!
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2025 VW GTI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
No, you don't have to buy everything they offer you, but what does it take to get a maintenance plan that saves you money on oil changes, etc.? Have some consideration for the people who are serving you.
Oh, give me a break! Am I supposed to send them flowers the next day?
Glad to hear your US brand store is doing great with the $4C.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Even though one vehicle model may appear to look the same for several model years, it does not mean that the fuel economy values will be the same. Manufacturers make changes to their vehicle models from year to year and those changes, though they may not be obvious, can impact fuel economy. For example, manufacturers may reduce a vehicle’s weight by removing a feature or add weight as a result of a new feature. These are often very subtle changes that may not be noticeable but they do impact the fuel economy ratings. Manufacturers may also make changes to axle ratios, transmission shift points, engine system calibrations, or a myriad of other adjustments that can have fuel economy impacts. Finally, tests that EPA performs in its laboratory may result in a higher or lower fuel economy value for a particular model year compared to other model years.
All we have are the test results (which I checked again) and our knowledge of what factors have an impact on fuel economy. For more specific questions about these particular vehicles, you could try contacting Ford.
Hope that helps...even though I suspect it's not the answer you were hoping for.
Regards,
Mary
I'll see if I can have her email you directly and the email you listed.
In any event, we purchased an 8 year 80k warranty... I knew when it was being presented to us that the price was high... Nevertheless, we paid the price. The dealer treated us great.. giving us $1300 off sticker..and a great interest rate.. (5.4%) No haggling.. no bull. We didn't mind paying about $500 extra for the warranty.. .
We got $4500 for my trade. The car would have brought $1500. Toyota gave us another $1000 on rebate.. so, letting the dealer make some money on the warranty is not a great concern of mine.. I only buy a car once every ten years... so why not give them a tip with the money that we received freely? Afterall, this money was not only for the consumer, but for the USA auto industry and our local businesses too..
IOW, they are not as dumb as the usual parade of customers...
???? Toyota is a foreign company.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
That's a good point those with potential clunkers had sat on the sidelines for months waiting to see if anything would come of this. Now it is those who do not own a clunker who should probably wait for the end of this mad rush and let things calm down. Especially if they are looking to buy a vehicle that meets the qualifications to be purchased under the clunker program, such as a car that gets over 22 mpg.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/03/key-senators-endorse-extension-cash-c- lunkers/
We are besides ourselves trying to sort through this program and we are definatly playing by the rules. I can't speak for othr stores, just ours.
Some asked about salvage value and I answered them. We give the customers 50.00 and hope we won't be losing money when the smoke clears.
My friend.. All those men and women working at the dealership were residents of the good ol USA.. If their jobs are to continue, they need to be supported... In addition, the tax money that we paid (over $2000) will help both city and state pay down debt and to keeping others working within our communities.
I priced a Hyundai Elantra Touring, base model with a/t, mud gds and carpet mats on July 22 and the TMV after rebate was $15972.
On August 3 that exact car now has a TMV of $16,818 after rebate. That is an increase of $846.00.
Hyundai also had 4.39% interest in July which is no longer available.
Is this a classic example of inflation? Anytime government money is put into circulation without a corresponding increase in productivity it will creat inflation.
The analysis is only partially correct because he's not seeing the actual types of buyers coming in the front doors of dealerships. Yes certainly I believe that there was some 'wait-and-see' early in July and yes certainly there was the deluge last week maybe as a result of that 'wait-and-see'.
However what's missing is that when the deluge hit it was not at all the typical buyer that comes in shopping year or even every 3-5 years. The buyers that showed up are once-a-decade buyers. Their clunker trades date from the mid-90s in most cases. In most cases in my narrow perspective these are the only vehicles that these traders owned over the last 10-15 years. Yes there might be a newer one for the other driver(s) in the family but generally these traders are those that would have actually run the vehicles into the ground over the next 5-6 years ... and then come shopping.
These are actually new additional shoppers/buyers that last came to buy a vehicle in the Clinton Presidency ....at the time of $.90 cent gas; pre dot.com bubble/bust; pre-Sept 11; pre-Iraq; pre-$5 gas.
I'm appalled that a good part of the American public uses these outlets for information. It's scary that so many fellow citizens might be getting dumber and dumber every day.
Thanks
You did know that your cell phone is a listening device for any agency that wants to hear what you have to say...anywhere in the world. That is after they track your every movement with it.
Demand is up due to C4C and supply is down due to C4C, hence the higher price.
Gross Monthly incomes ranging from $33,000 to $100,000 and well above are all in the market. One key fact though is that nearly every buyer we've seen has title in hand, FICO scores above 750, almost no debt and all the documentation neatly in order.
This profile fits the smart, sensible buyer that knows a good deal and can react immediately simply by reaching into the safe deposit box and going down to the car store.
Unfortunately you'll just have to deal with that reality.
I am selling the crap out of service plans on the clunker deal. The majority are the 100K plans. I guess I am dealing with very well informed consumers who can see value for there dollar.
Yep. These are the people who pay tax reliably year after year. It's nice to get a bit back.
Though I expected nothing less here then to have a group of people bad mouthing the program I have to say this is the only "stimulus" plan I have seen work so far and have such a good trickle down effect. Allot of people other then car dealers are prospering from this.
Like I said in a previous post, I am having success in the finance department also, even though the majority of the first wave were cash buyers we are now getting into allot of finance deals. the great thing about the C4C deal is that NO ONE IS OUT OF EQUITY!!!!!! My biggest fight on a daily basis is gone. They are all back of cost because all the trades are paid for and they are getting big bucks plus big rebates plus big disounts. its a cake walk LOL.
Bad analogy. It's more like going to an upscale restaurant and, after stuffing yourself with the main course, declining the dessert offered by the waitperson. Or worse yet, declining the minted toothpicks at three dollars a pop. I'll decline those extras but will still give a tip.
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
I see you’re from FL and being surrounded by water probably explains why you’re all WET.
You’re right, a customer doesn’t have to buy everything nor do they have to buy anything. The dealer that sold the car should be happy that they sold the car and not the guy next door. If I were buying in this C4C program I wouldn’t be giving away any of the money that I received just because it was given to me. You may call that being “cheap”; I call it being wise and choosing how I want to spend my money.
FWIW, how do you know that the money that isn’t given away in the F&I office isn’t being put to better use like groceries, medical bills, children’s education get it?
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl
The buyers that showed up are once-a-decade buyers.
That would be some of them but the same dynamics apply. They may have put off buying waiting for C4C or bought "early" to take advantage of the program.
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
If the people here were as savy with there money as they say not one of them would walk out of the store without a maintanence plan. I sell a 45000 mile plan for $795, covers all scheduled maintanence, it also covers all the wear items to include windshield wiper blades, brakes, belts, hoses, etc. There is no place in the world you can properly service your car for 3 years for $795.
Instead they wear it like a badge of honor on there sleeve that they spent no money in the finance office and then proceed to spend $1200 over the course of 3 years on what they could have had for $795.
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Can I write you up?
To each his own, but you would not make a big commission on those contracts if the customer was really going to get so much back from purchasing them.
A quick check of my maintenance and repair log shows that I've spent $633.20 on our VW Jetta in the 4 years since we bought it. For the first 3 it was about $435.
I've only had my Mazda6 for 2.5 years and have spent $183 on maintenace. I'm due for an oil change, but that is gonna be just about free this time. I'm also planning to have tires rotated and balanced for $20. The only other thing it will need before the 3 year point is one more oil change. So I would estimate a 3 year total of about $230.
The Hondas have been more expensive than that, but still nowhere near $795.
Otherwise, I am/was in the same exact situation as you. We completed our transaction on 7/25, and then the mileage was updated for our clunker on 7/26 and we no longer qualified. The dealer tried to give some crap about it, but I got in contact with a gentleman at the US DOT and he said if we have printouts from the 25th, the NHTSA will honor the transaction. Let me know what happens with your deal.
And if you have to go back to the dealership for any reason, don't take the Prius, drive a different car!
My current "ride" is a 19 year old "rice-burner" that I purchased for $175.00 (delivered to my driveway) and have spent $97.00 in parts to get it on the road. It runs great, doesn't leak or burn anything it's not supposed to, has more acceleration than I'll ever need to use, consistently gets 33 MPG combined, has 234,000 miles on it and, as a model, has a long history of running well over 300K. It has practically no rust even though it has been in Michigan since new and parts are plentiful and cheaper than most domestics I've owned (which is a lot).
So if I'm supposed to trade in this gas-guzzling clunker (after all a Prius is supposed to get much better mileage), then somebody needs to explain to me how $3500 - 4500.00 off the top or in rebate will help provide the monthly payments (I've never had) for the rest of the car's price over the next 5 years as well as the exorbitant insurance premiums required for a car being financed. I suspect my car probably wouldn't qualify under the guidelines because it's too clunky and not guzzly enough to be worthy of crushing and sending to the Chinese as scrap (which is where the trade ins are all going). This kind of program is geared toward those who are already able and inclined to buy new and just need the latest "deal" to get them in the showroom.
Personally I find this "appetizer" to be just another of the increasingly "unpalatable offerings" on the "menu" this President is continually "serving up" (was it 750 or 850 billion to the banks with no strings attached, who cares what's 100 bill. among friends). If much more gets "stuffed down our throats" I for one am likely to "vomit" this King and his House of Lords out of office, or did we all collectively forget that this is supposed to be government of, by and for the people and that we have the right to dissolve it if it becomes oppressive.
I've worked hard all my life only to be taxed or sued by some government entity to keep my family in poverty. If God only "asks" for 10% of my income, why does the government "require" 38%? To finance "swill" like this? An over fed sow can crush it's young and a boar will eat them alive. So,"belly up to the trough" if you're willing and able but don't protest when the big pig comes back to "bite" you down the road.
Are any dealers demanding that buyers sign something that makes the buyer pay if the Gov reimbursement to the dealer falls through?
If a specific deal is 'backed up' for whatever reason then we'll just undo it and return everything to square 1.
If a buyer wants that vehicle and the DOT says 'No rebate' then the buyer has the option to come up with the additional money to complete the deal...or return the vehicle.
The buyer and we sign an agreement before the final paperwork is done.
I am going to ignore most of your post cause it is all garbage but if you are really in the 38% tax bracket, isn't the top tax bracket for individuals 35% now anyway, I doubt your family is in poverty.
I suppose there are some high tax states that might bring your total tax bill up over 38% but even in those states your income must be substantial to hit that tax bracket.
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If God only "asks" for 10% of my income, why does the government "require" 38%?
So you are in the 38% tax bracket and yet can not afford a new car or to pay someone to maintain your old one? You must do a pretty poor job of managing your money.
We barely touch the 25% bracket and yet have bought two new cars in the last four years and that without any clunker rebate. I also gave up crawling under cars when I was about 25.
Well, you can count me as another that hasn’t spent anywhere near $795 in the first 3 years on ANY car I’ve Ever owned. I do oil changes every 3/4 K miles or not longer than 4 months. Wiper blades are replaced once or twice a year. I’ve never had to replace belts or hoses in 3 years but even if I did it wouldn’t take me anywhere near a $795 package price that would make me consider that a good deal.
Can I write you up?
Yeah, just for you, I’ll be a laydown.
jmonroe
'15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl