So, it's got the Disney package, 8 rider, lwb, 01 with low miles ... not to hurt your feelings, but $11,0 is about right, $11,5 will just about kill it and $12,0 would be ALL the money on the planet Earth and we can throw Mars in, just for the grins and glory, so this dude better be deep in rubber, glow in the dark and bark at the moon from a like new interior ...
Montana's arent burning down any bridges right now, so if you see $11,5 from a dealer you are doing fine, whats saving this dude is the miles ... but if you traveled down Retail Rd, ya know, a great detail a super duper Ad, you could "ask" $14,9 and fetch $13,5/$14,0 ..
I have a 2000 Dodge 1500 Van conversion-TV/VCR, custom paint, interior wood trim, window shades, electric rear bed, custom interior lighting, rear air conditioning. It is the Tiara Stealth conversion. It has only 21,500 miles.
I cannot find any valuations for this vehicle. What can I expect to get on trade? Thanks. Stephen
I think the answer is to kick back, toss in a movie, and enjoy the darn thing until the wheels fall off or we can't stand it anymore. It's under warranty for three more years(we put an extended warranty on it) so we can keep getting our friends at the local GM store to fix it if it breaks...
None of the major guides give values for various conversion van packages because the comapnies are always going belly-up, and they offer 15 different set ups for chassis - kinda hard to keep up with.
The value of a conversion is whatever the dealer feels is right - they may make some calls on it, but it's not pretty sometimes.
Down South where I'm originally from, we usually gave $2,000 (on top of the chassis book value) for low tops and $3,000 - 3,500 on high tops. Up North, the values are lesser, because these things are monsters in inclement weather.
You didn't say where you lived....
You didn't say if yours was a high top or low top, but $13,000 - 15,000 is about the money, depending on what engine and chassis you have.
....... Nice vehicles, Right color, the miles are nice and low ... and Ooooop's, they have had it since when .......? .. Wow ..!
These are pretty popular vehicles .. auction side they would probably see the high $9's, low $10's ... if they have had it since Jesus was a baby, then they probably have $14 in it .. sometimes that pride thing gets in the way, I wonder if the owner knows this .l.o.l..
I would offer $11,9 after a great "look see", then see what the response is .. it's fair for you, it's fair for the dealer ..
Have a yellow 2000 Beetle GLX 5-speed - so it has all the GLX stuff like (black) leather, sunroof, 1.8t engine, etc. 45,000 miles, clean, upstate NY. TMV says we should be looking at about $10k if sold to a dealer ($13 if sold by a dealer) but I can see a lot of similar vehicles being sold online with ask prices up to $15... what should I be looking at in terms of getting a fair trade in from a dealer?
They DO have $14k in it, according to the sales guy (the same one who sold me my 740.) They don't seem eager to let it go for less than that, which might be why they still have it. I'll give it a couple months, maybe tax return time, and go from there. I have a suspicion it'll still be there. Sweet ride, though. I never thought I'd go for a turbo, but wow.
I was asking you in October about a car on Ebay. 2003 325i sedan, auto, prem pkg, sport pkg, cold weather pkg, HK stereo, xenon lights, steel blue w/black leather.. 8000 miles. You pegged it at 31-ish, low 32K as a retail price. Well, you must have been right, because I couldn't even get them to talk at $29k-30K..
BUT, the guy had 3 deals fall through on the car, and put it back on Ebay in December. He gave me a call a couple of weeks back, and we agreed on $29,500!! You said things get crazy at the end of the year, and you were right.
So, I owe you!! And my wife is very happy.. I picked up the car the day after her birthday.
Just wanted to Thank You for the help on the NSX. We drove it twice over the weekend, we drove 22 miles with the original owner, then hubby and I got to put another 70 some miles on it later on. Well it's a done deal at $49,900, all we have to do is figure out how to pay for it, we just love it! As always thanks for all your help in every way, I think we owe you about 100 dinners and beers by now.
Thanks for the replies. More info: Color-two tone green/tan Location-San Francisco Bay Area Seats-custom cloth Engine-big dodge v8 5.9L I think Low top Dual Air Conditioners (front and back) Rear Passenger sound system w/headphones &CD/radio deck TV/VCR in center console Rear seat is electric bed sliding picture windows on both sides in back 2000 with 21,500 miles, extended warranty in force
I am wondering what my Tahoe is worth. I am having a hard time selling it and I can't figure out why? It is a 2002 Tahoe LT. It has only 14,900 miles and is in virtually perfect condition. It is extremely clean and doesn't have a single dent or dimple. It has been garaged and 98% of the miles are highway. It has had no mechanical problems.
It has the 5.3l engine, leather and all the bells and whistles (except for a sun roof). It has the 3rd row seats and towing package. It is the Spitfire Red (a.k.a Maroon).
As far as I can tell, the book value for a private party sale is approximately 30,500. I have it listed for 29,900 and have had very few calls.
Am I missing something? Is my price realistic? I realize you can get some great deals on new Tahoes right now - but you can't get anywhere near 29,900. The 2004 model similarly equipped lists for approximately 46K and probably can't be purchased for under $36k (if you are a real good negotiator).
you are competing head to head with the 2004's. They are, no doubt, doing the usual short sighted domestic thing...huge factory to dealer rebates, zero interest etc.
............ Ok, I'm going apoplectic here (whatever that means) ......
TWO WHEEL DRIVE ???????????????? .................................................................- .................................................................- ........................... OR PERHAPS IT'S ONE OF FUNNY VEHICLES WHERE ALL THE WHEELS CAN GO THE SAME SPEED AT THE SAME TIME ..
uuugh, I'm gettting a hangover and I havent even been drinking .............:)
.......... Thanks for the update .. I really enjoy it when someone lets me know what the hell is going on .. I'm not typing here for my beauty classes ya know ...
Yep, things worked out well .. they probably looked at the "current" auction reports and said: "Duh.! ~ we sell now, we break even .. or, we keep car, we go to auction, we lose money -- sounds like a smart move to me ...!.l.o.l..
........ Your quite welcome .. you did Real Good on that one.!! ~ actually, you Flat stole it for $49,900 .. I was hoping you wouldn't like it, then I would of sent a transport up, snatched it, then ran in through the FAAO auction here in Florida and made $3 grand .l.o.l... oh well, the things I suffer ..........
...... Go break open your piggy bank, grab a little cake and offer them $11,5 (starting) and finish at $12,0 .... Kyfdx just made a great deal on his "been sittin' since ice cream was been invented" ... ya know what they say "the Lord hates a coward" ..
They got $14 in it, they drop it at the auction and get Reeeeal lucky and see, lets say $11,0, they pay the auction fee's, transport and they "net" $10,5 .... Scoot, get over there, it's tumbleweed time .. all they can say is no .....
The only one who needs convincin' is Mrs. Lance...I'm having to pry her out of that Accord (or, more precisely, the paid off, and has been for quite some time Accord.) I'm just of the opinion that a coupe makes for lousy family transport, but what the hey...I'm driving the sedan, and she doesn't seem to mind.
The Lord hates a coward, but Mrs. Lance hates writing checks even more. I'll keep you updated. I don't think this is the time to test the "'tis easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission" routine, but darn if this vehicle isn't nice enough for me to be willing to break my "no cars with only two pedals" rule.
BTW, you did an excellent job of going apoplectic a couple posts back. :-)
........ It's a Tiara with cloth, it's a 1/2 tonner, dual breeze, power play time in the back seat, some extra tunes and the miles are real low ... this sounds like the base model, they made 3 types, the fat daddy had 4 quad seats with power leather and bun warmers ...
Trade side, no kisses, no weird Left Coast cults in the interior .. in and around the $14ish region if it's super clean, deep rubber and needs -0- ... down Retail Rd, an Excellent ad, a wonderful detail, $17,9 "asking" and the first person "without" a flower in their hair get's it for $16,0/$17,0 .. park the ego, this is a Conversion van, not a Cayenne ... the miles and the 5.9 save this one.
Have not been her in so long I had to change my handle, I sure you will know what the old one was. I have no desire to read from when I left off but if was about a year ago. Still in the biz but I am no longer selling new cars. I am managing a used car lot in upstate NY and we do about 250 used a year. We range in price from $2500 upto $15000. Mostly domestics but I see my share of imports. Enough about me, what caught my eye was tps3 with the Beetle. I have a 2000 automatic with 54,000 miles on it that I have had on the lot for 5 months. It is GLX with leather and a roof and a cd changer. I currently have it advertised for $7995 and I have not gotten a sniff at it. It is a snazzy red! The last customer I had on it offered me $4500 and his 90 Pontiac sunfire convertible with 65,000 miles and it was a 5 speed. This was in late October and I did not want to hang on to a 13 year old CONVERTIBLE thru the winter and give away the Beetle to boot. I get a call about every week from someone looking for those!! I was wondering what the true value of tps3 trade is really worth in your eyes. $13000!!! $10000!!! I am not so far upstate in NY that I speak Canadian, er , French, I live smack dab in the middle of the state.
Ok, here we go. Looking at a 2003 Ford Explorer XLS, V6, auto, pwr windows/locks/mirrors, am/fm/cass/cd, cruise/tilt, 4WD, dark blue/gray, 22k miles. Dealer is asking $23,900, we stopped haggling at $22,225 OTD, told them I wanted to check with you before making any decisions. The 03 is out of their rental fleet, in very good condition.
They are offering $7k for my 97 Explorer Limited V8/AWD, 57k, all the goodies including a sunroof which they know has a very bad rear main leak (we are talking oil everywhere, we had it on a lift earlier so I know they aren't lying about that) that we were quoted $1500 to fix.
A word of advice: Save your "cool car purchases" for those cars that YOU are going to drive. Don't ask me how I learned this. To get my wife out of her [whatever] typically takes a crowbar. Since the whatever is currently an '03 Sienna, I think I'm done for a while and can turn my attention to some spare wheels for moi.
May marital harmony, without which there can be no true happiness, be yours for ever and ever.
Or something like that.
Jolie: ...never mind. But I do wish you good luck.
Terry, that 98 Legacy 5sp wagon, needs a new frt main seal, needs the t-belt redone, mangled pinch weld, otherwise nice -- and I know he didn't take under $6 -- is GONE. People crazy.
I'm going to sell my 95 Ford Windstar van. It's a 95.5 LX with the 3.8 liter engine.
Alloy wheels Roof rack Rear heat and A/C Rear radio controls Two-tone paint Power everything, including seats Heated power mirrors AM/FM/Cassette cruise/tilt Load leveling Captains chairs (two chairs in the middle row) Center console Keyless entry (both key fob and number pad on door) Privacy glass 85,000 miles, one owner Dark green exterior with green and gray cloth inside
The interior is in good condition, and the exterior is in average to good condition. There is no rust or damage, but the paint has kind of peeled off of the plastic bumpers in two spots. All of the paint on the metal is good, but the bumpers look kind of crappy.
What is it worth to sell to a used car dealer? What is it worth to sell privately on my own?
Thanks. I wait with baited breath (gotta stop eating those minnows).
The Accord was originally mine; when we replaced her Cavalier with the 740, it became hers, since she doesn't like RWD in the snow, and I don't mind it. Last night while falling asleep for the third time (three week old son in the house, don't you know) I had a vision of my garage with that V70 and a 960 for me...hopefully it was prophetic, but more likely, I was wicked tired.
...... Ooh no, I'm staying out of this purchase ... she's a big girl, she can buy liquor, she can vote, have kids, run over mooses ... so I just say "good luck" ..
It all depends on the vehicle, region, etc. (sound familiar). Most of the time kbb seems to be substantially lower than Edmunds in my experience as well. But for my Miata, they are both within a couple of hundred $$.
That's because Kelly gets their prices cheaper, as there is no middleman, holdback, Pack, or finance charges. Also, they're trying to drive edmunds out of business, so they undercut them on the price for every car! ;-)
Seriously, I've found the opposite to be true, I think it probably just depends on the model. As the pros will tell you, the books are merely guides, the price for a given car on a given day will vary depending on the market and your own personal mojo.
Sounds just like one I sold to a private party last year. Mine was a 2001 but it was a year ago so you're in pretty much the same boat (Tahoe is a boat get it ha ha....ughhh sorry 'bout that) that you are in now.
Bottom line is that, as Isellhondas alluded to earlier, the huge incentives on new ones are killing the used ones. I got $26,500 for mine with about 25,000 miles on it at the time. Asking prices in my area at the dealers were around $30,000 at the time. Just the way it is. Guides don't buy cars....say it with me!
Way I see it any vehicle is going to break, none of them are perfect. Even the toyota dealer has a service dept and when I had my Corolla it was a 2 week wait for an appt, so something was obviously in to get fixed.
Whatever I buy is going to have an ESC that covers it until 100k, not much to worry about then.
Drift.....I can get a new XLS for around $24k I think, looking at that angle today.
Lets see what you have here: No sale green, miles are ok for 95, bumpers need repainted, the notorious Ford 3.8L headgasket engine, the notorious Ford Windstar transmission, plus it is winter time and well past vacation season.
Like you said, nobody's dream car. Similar recent buy off dealers back lots before they went to auction, 96 Windstar LX 110K $2100, and only because it was a one owner with the dealer maintenance history available. Trade side in and around $2K. Spend the $300 to have the bumper paint fixed up, another $100 on detail and clean up, you can try and retail it out yourself asking $3900 and send it packing around $3500 easy.
Honestly, most families that need a $3500 minivan are almost always stuck with the buy-here-pay-here lots due to lack of income, reliable job, and cannot come up with the $3500 cash needed.
...... Info sources like NADA, Kellys, Edmunds can have 3 separate values at one time ..
Sometimes Kbb can be a little more accurate than Nada, sometimes Edmunds can be more accurate than both, sometimes Edmunds can way off and sometimes I could stuff my Mother-in-law in the garbage disposal, but thats life ...
The most accurate information is based on auction reports from your specific area and they can't be older than 20/30days .. what most of the info sources miss, is the miles, most don't deduct enough for the miles, or they add too much which gives a false value of the vehicle for a trade, also Edmunds add's way too much for a "certified" pre-owned ..
But most of the misinformation is from the "geographic area", things like color, options, paintwork, accidents, needed service, tires, brakes, stuff like that ~ plus, there is "No Such Thing" as EXCELLENT condition, unless your driving a 2,000 mile flawless 03 Audi Cabriolet 3.0 in a good color ......... ... oh Yeah, and you live down south ..
..... Have fun, be careful, have a designated driver (the life you save could be your own) report any terrorists, don't eat the yellow snow, love the one your with, and remember one thing ~~ There's is no bones in Ice Cream ....
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So, it's got the Disney package, 8 rider, lwb, 01 with low miles ... not to hurt your feelings, but $11,0 is about right, $11,5 will just about kill it and $12,0 would be ALL the money on the planet Earth and we can throw Mars in, just for the grins and glory, so this dude better be deep in rubber, glow in the dark and bark at the moon from a like new interior ...
Montana's arent burning down any bridges right now, so if you see $11,5 from a dealer you are doing fine, whats saving this dude is the miles ... but if you traveled down Retail Rd, ya know, a great detail a super duper Ad, you could "ask" $14,9 and fetch $13,5/$14,0 ..
Terry :-)
I cannot find any valuations for this vehicle. What can I expect to get on trade?
Thanks.
Stephen
Thanks again!
Dan
None of the major guides give values for various conversion van packages because the comapnies are always going belly-up, and they offer 15 different set ups for chassis - kinda hard to keep up with.
The value of a conversion is whatever the dealer feels is right - they may make some calls on it, but it's not pretty sometimes.
Down South where I'm originally from, we usually gave $2,000 (on top of the chassis book value) for low tops and $3,000 - 3,500 on high tops. Up North, the values are lesser, because these things are monsters in inclement weather.
You didn't say where you lived....
You didn't say if yours was a high top or low top, but $13,000 - 15,000 is about the money, depending on what engine and chassis you have.
Terry.
Did you want 1 or 2 trucks filled ...?
Terry.
Location ..
Quads ..?
V6, V8 .....?
Leather, cloth, dual breeze .. ?
Hi top, low top .......?? ...... COLOR .....
Tiara made some nice ones, but the the difference in Conversion vans can be anywhere from $500 to $10 grand ... Info ...!
Terry.
These are pretty popular vehicles .. auction side they would probably see the high $9's, low $10's ... if they have had it since Jesus was a baby, then they probably have $14 in it .. sometimes that pride thing gets in the way, I wonder if the owner knows this .l.o.l..
I would offer $11,9 after a great "look see", then see what the response is .. it's fair for you, it's fair for the dealer ..
Let me know ...
Terry.
Jeff Foxworthy, singing the 12 days of redneck Christmas, last line...."and some parts to a Mustang GT".
Many thanks...
BUT, the guy had 3 deals fall through on the car, and put it back on Ebay in December. He gave me a call a couple of weeks back, and we agreed on $29,500!! You said things get crazy at the end of the year, and you were right.
So, I owe you!! And my wife is very happy.. I picked up the car the day after her birthday.
Thanks!!
kyfdx
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We drove it twice over the weekend, we drove 22 miles with the original owner, then hubby and I got to put another 70 some miles on it later on.
Well it's a done deal at $49,900, all we have to do is figure out how to pay for it, we just love it!
As always thanks for all your help in every way, I think we owe you about 100 dinners and beers by now.
Happy New Year.
M.
So, what, you took it our for only half an hour?
Color-two tone green/tan
Location-San Francisco Bay Area
Seats-custom cloth
Engine-big dodge v8 5.9L I think
Low top
Dual Air Conditioners (front and back)
Rear Passenger sound system w/headphones &CD/radio deck
TV/VCR in center console
Rear seat is electric bed
sliding picture windows on both sides in back
2000 with 21,500 miles, extended warranty in force
I hope this is enough info for a good guess!
Thanks,
Stephen
It has the 5.3l engine, leather and all the bells and whistles (except for a sun roof). It has the 3rd row seats and towing package. It is the Spitfire Red (a.k.a Maroon).
As far as I can tell, the book value for a private party sale is approximately 30,500. I have it listed for 29,900 and have had very few calls.
Am I missing something? Is my price realistic? I realize you can get some great deals on new Tahoes right now - but you can't get anywhere near 29,900. The 2004 model similarly equipped lists for approximately 46K and probably can't be purchased for under $36k (if you are a real good negotiator).
Any thoughts? - Thanks!
you are competing head to head with the 2004's. They are, no doubt, doing the usual short sighted domestic thing...huge factory to dealer rebates, zero interest etc.
Terry.
TWO WHEEL DRIVE ???????????????? .................................................................- .................................................................- ........................... OR PERHAPS IT'S ONE OF FUNNY VEHICLES WHERE ALL THE WHEELS CAN GO THE SAME SPEED AT THE SAME TIME ..
uuugh, I'm gettting a hangover and I havent even been drinking .............:)
Terry.
Yep, things worked out well .. they probably looked at the "current" auction reports and said: "Duh.! ~ we sell now, we break even .. or, we keep car, we go to auction, we lose money -- sounds like a smart move to me ...!.l.o.l..
Happy New Year and enjoy the new driver ...
Terry.
Keep that dude Clean, it's a nice one ....!
Terry.
They got $14 in it, they drop it at the auction and get Reeeeal lucky and see, lets say $11,0, they pay the auction fee's, transport and they "net" $10,5 .... Scoot, get over there, it's tumbleweed time .. all they can say is no .....
Terry.
The Lord hates a coward, but Mrs. Lance hates writing checks even more. I'll keep you updated.
I don't think this is the time to test the "'tis easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission" routine, but darn if this vehicle isn't nice enough for me to be willing to break my "no cars with only two pedals" rule.
BTW, you did an excellent job of going apoplectic a couple posts back. :-)
Well heck ya, we had to stop cuz' our lips got stuck to our eyebrows .l.o.l....
Terry.
Aaaah, words to live by ...!
Terry.
Trade side, no kisses, no weird Left Coast cults in the interior .. in and around the $14ish region if it's super clean, deep rubber and needs -0- ... down Retail Rd, an Excellent ad, a wonderful detail, $17,9 "asking" and the first person "without" a flower in their hair get's it for $16,0/$17,0 .. park the ego, this is a Conversion van, not a Cayenne ... the miles and the 5.9 save this one.
Happy New Year and let me know ...
Terry.
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Terry, no roof...could not get a roof with nav sys in '01...what say u on wholesale, trade and retail $s?
They are offering $7k for my 97 Explorer Limited V8/AWD, 57k, all the goodies including a sunroof which they know has a very bad rear main leak (we are talking oil everywhere, we had it on a lift earlier so I know they aren't lying about that) that we were quoted $1500 to fix.
May marital harmony, without which there can be no true happiness, be yours for ever and ever.
Or something like that.
Jolie: ...never mind. But I do wish you good luck.
Terry, that 98 Legacy 5sp wagon, needs a new frt main seal, needs the t-belt redone, mangled pinch weld, otherwise nice -- and I know he didn't take under $6 -- is GONE. People crazy.
-Mathias
Good luck with whatever decision you make.
Alloy wheels
Roof rack
Rear heat and A/C
Rear radio controls
Two-tone paint
Power everything, including seats
Heated power mirrors
AM/FM/Cassette
cruise/tilt
Load leveling
Captains chairs (two chairs in the middle row)
Center console
Keyless entry (both key fob and number pad on door)
Privacy glass
85,000 miles, one owner
Dark green exterior with green and gray cloth inside
The interior is in good condition, and the exterior is in average to good condition. There is no rust or damage, but the paint has kind of peeled off of the plastic bumpers in two spots. All of the paint on the metal is good, but the bumpers look kind of crappy.
What is it worth to sell to a used car dealer? What is it worth to sell privately on my own?
Thanks. I wait with baited breath (gotta stop eating those minnows).
Jolie...RUN from the Ford dealer.
Terry.
Seriously, I've found the opposite to be true, I think it probably just depends on the model. As the pros will tell you, the books are merely guides, the price for a given car on a given day will vary depending on the market and your own personal mojo.
Bottom line is that, as Isellhondas alluded to earlier, the huge incentives on new ones are killing the used ones. I got $26,500 for mine with about 25,000 miles on it at the time. Asking prices in my area at the dealers were around $30,000 at the time. Just the way it is. Guides don't buy cars....say it with me!
Happy New Year everyone!
Whatever I buy is going to have an ESC that covers it until 100k, not much to worry about then.
Drift.....I can get a new XLS for around $24k I think, looking at that angle today.
Like you said, nobody's dream car. Similar recent buy off dealers back lots before they went to auction, 96 Windstar LX 110K $2100, and only because it was a one owner with the dealer maintenance history available. Trade side in and around $2K. Spend the $300 to have the bumper paint fixed up, another $100 on detail and clean up, you can try and retail it out yourself asking $3900 and send it packing around $3500 easy.
Honestly, most families that need a $3500 minivan are almost always stuck with the buy-here-pay-here lots due to lack of income, reliable job, and cannot come up with the $3500 cash needed.
Sometimes Kbb can be a little more accurate than Nada, sometimes Edmunds can be more accurate than both, sometimes Edmunds can way off and sometimes I could stuff my Mother-in-law in the garbage disposal, but thats life ...
The most accurate information is based on auction reports from your specific area and they can't be older than 20/30days .. what most of the info sources miss, is the miles, most don't deduct enough for the miles, or they add too much which gives a false value of the vehicle for a trade, also Edmunds add's way too much for a "certified" pre-owned ..
But most of the misinformation is from the "geographic area", things like color, options, paintwork, accidents, needed service, tires, brakes, stuff like that ~ plus, there is "No Such Thing" as EXCELLENT condition, unless your driving a 2,000 mile flawless 03 Audi Cabriolet 3.0 in a good color .........
Happy Hangover ....!
Terry.
See ya next year ...!
Terry ;^)