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Wonderful cars. The 86-91 S-Class is, IMO, one of the finest cars ever made by anyone ever at any price. Particularly the 560SEL. If I am not driving a Jag, I am driving an old S-Class, especially if it:
A) Has a CD PLayer
However, it is a wonderful car hat can hide enormous problems. Have it checked over by a mercedes mechanic if possible, but here's what I would look out for:
That engine had better be quiet. Even while hot and idling at 5,000rpms (DONT hold it at those RPMs tho!)
Put it in reverse. It had better engage almost immediately. If it hesitates for a few seconds, then the clutch packs in the tranny are going south.
Is that timing chain quiet?
Does everything work? Sunroof? Air Conditioning? Does it blow ONLY through the center vents and isnt leaking out of the defrost vents?
They chew through tie-rods.
They eat tires and brakes
Watch for typical cosmetic problems. Sagging seat cushions (you sink down when ya sit in em) are typical and common.
ABS Works I hope?
If it passes those tests.. and no other obvious stuff, you may well have a good one. Just be afraid of a car that was $60K+ when new that's now worth 10-15% of that.
What do they want for this SEL?
Bill
Bill is right, $5,500/$6,000 at the block ...low mile vehicles are hard to find ..
Terry.
Any idea on a 98 Boxster, black/black/black, factory wheel/tire upgrade (17"), 5sp, mint condition, 10,000 miles. Knee deep, as you would say and spotless inside.
Located in Long Island, NY.
If I'm reading this right ..It's a 99 V, with 37K with all the stuff.
These vehicles sell very well ... but you have to have it priced like a 99, not a 2000. Dealers can "certify" them ( HA..!)..and ask a bunch more $$, thinkin' there will be a trade ...
If this vehicle is super nice .. and super clean, they can be bought at the auctions for "around" the $19's --- If you want to sell it, it should be in the paper for $22,900 --must see, must sell. You will get $22, 3/4/5/6 ..and a ton of calls.
It's a lot easier, to be low in the paper and negotiate in small amounts, then be way high and get -0- calls, remember dealers have a lot of walk on traffic, thousands spent on ad's and a boat load of a customer base.
Put in a 5 liner in the biggest paper in the area...
I hope this help's ...
Terry.
This vehicle .. If.. it stands tall, looks like a 2001, will do close to $29 at the Manheim, and on the Retail side, "around" $31/$32ish..
Good luck..
Terry.
I agree with Terry.. If anything I'm gonna be closer to $18,500-19,000..
$24K is pretty optimistic IMO. That's more than a store I used to work at is advertising them for.
Also.. what color? And.. tell me it has a Sunroof.. PLEASE!
Bill
I thought the same thing on that Boxster!
"I betcha if I saw this thing at Manheim it'd do damn near $30K"
$29K all day long with no miles and the right options (Some leather, HiFi Audio.. maybe some little aluminum bits inside it)
$31-32K private party, but I dont think ya'd be able to prise it from a dealer for $31K myself.. but you never know..
Bill
ps -- How's the Benz doing ..?
Terry.
SHoot me a mail.. crap.. call me if ya get a chance. Need an XK8 if ya have 1
How was Manheim today?
Bill
In NJ For the holidays..
Terry.
Thanks again for your recent trade figures on the '96 Intrepid ES. This week my brother traded it in on an Accord, and the whole process surprised him by its lack of contentiousness, something he had been dreading.
KBB, cars.com and this site had the Intrepid valued about $2k higher (67%!), so when lil' bro got to talking trade, he was not insulted when the salesman's numbers were in line with your estimates. They started at $3k, came up to $3.3k and bro accepted. He and his wife are now new-car owners, and they came out of the whole deal feeling they'd been fairly treated. If they'd believed the sites' numbers, they might have walked away from a decent deal (and still be stuck with the Dodge!)
Season's Greetings to you and yours.
-ss4
Sounds like they did well.
That's the problem I have with kbb.com If you scroll up.. geez.. must be 200-400 or so posts by now there was someone who got all hot and bothered (And, hey, I dont blame em.. they didnt know the market and "everyone uses the blue book, right?") because they couldnt get more than like $9,500 or so on a FOcus that KBB said was worth a solid $1,000 or so over that.
Problem is, it was a $9,000 car!
Happy Holidays to you too!
Bill
Another question: What would these two cars be worth.
1. 2001 Kia Rio, automatic, AC, cass., PS, 27,251 miles
2. 1997 Cavalier base 4-door, auto., AC, cass., 127K miles, damaged left front fender (door sticks).
Thanks and Happy Holidays!
Clean condition.
As trade-ins?
1) 2001 Kia: Geez.. a lot of miles and Kias.. well.. Kias dont hold value too well I'm afraid..
Expect $4,000 or so on trade.
The Chevy? Its a $1,000-1,500 car clean.. so.. Geez.. $500 if that?
Bill
No sunroof?
Youre not gonna like me now..
That is a solid $1,000 deduct, maybe more.
$18,500-19K was wholesale.. but that assumed a moonroof.. And COld Weather Pkg in Chicago.
Color combo isnt great.. but not bad. I'd say $17,500 as it sits (Silver with a roof closer to $19K++)
Bill
$4K wholesale give or take.. Miles are nothing.
Bill
I just found this part of the board and this is a great site. I'm looking at trading in my 99 4runner sr5 4x4 which has all options except for fabric seats. It only has 15K miles. Body is in great shape and so is interior. Also added a top of the line Clifford alarm and real wood trim.
I'm looking at picking up either an Audi A4 or an Acura TL-S. Could I get about $20K for this. I paid about $29K and it stickers for $32K.
If dealers start to low ball me, I'll just suck it up and finance the new car.
Thanks!
2001 X5 3.0i
Automatic
Sport Package
Navigation system
Xeon Headlamps
Climate Package
Premium Package
It is in silver color and gray leather. The car had 3000 miles and is in S. Calfornia.
Thanks
This one would do around $39ish at the block, and on the retail side probably $42/$43,000..
I hope this helps..
Terry.
Merry Xmas ..
Terry.
This will do $19/$19,500 all day long at the block ... so, you my friend are in gooood shape..!
Happy Holidays ..
Terry.
It would do an easy $5,000 at the block ... but if it's got all the other "junk" going for it, then it would be closer to $4 ...
Merry Xmas ...
Terry.
Market is juuust about to improve from where I sit.
Weird thing to me are the Hondas, they have gone quite soft down here..
Bill
To all of you (Except Mr Whale)
Bill
Terry.
Happy holidays everyone.
Quentin
Thanks!
JOFO
JOFO: We're talking about what they're doing at dealer auctions.. I forget off the top of my head where Terry hit it, but I seem to recall the $19Kish range.. $21K would then be unrealistic I am afraid.
Bill
Yesterday I was in Indianapolice & I saw a plate "Oldest Honda dealer in the Country" :-)
Happy Holidays ...
Terry.
Sort of like my Carma ran over my Dogma.. etc..
Im up here freezing my tuckus off tho and recovering from too much holiday cheer last night! haha
Happy hols to you too!
Bill
Proof: "Tyres"
Bill
You still in at $5,000? I got it =D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=599143092&r=0&t=0
BTW, Know of a Hauler who can get it down to FL? Its' inop..
Bill
:-)
-Dave, who should have picked up that '86 Saab
No! Really?!
:-)
So hows your Holiday ..and of course, how's NJ ..? where actually are you staying ..?
Terry.
It's a Toyota, it's hard to say what it could be worth in 3/6/9 months -- I can only tell you ..Less. How much less I couldn't guess, thank goodness it's not a Exploder..l.o.l.
Happy Holidays ....
Terry.
Quentin
Merry Christmas to all.
- - Bret - -
(who wishes he bought that '86 Saab too)