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1. Go to another BMW dealer, because this one is obviously a loser if all they're telling you is "Oh well".
2. Order the car you want.
3. Rent a car in the meantime.
Now, what I would do is:
1. Go to another BMW dealer, because this one is obviously a loser if all they're telling you is "Oh well".
2. Buy a different 330i and drive home that day.
But then, I'm not all that picky.
I have no vested interest in lying to you, I do not work for BMW, and I can tell you point-blank that at dealerships, administrative mistakes like this one happen all the time.
The headache that follows deliberately taking a car from one customer and sneaking it into the hands of another is not worth it. There would have to be a tremendous amount of profit reward for even a shady dealership to do such a thing.
Lastly, let me concur that there is something fishy if Volvo is not willing to extend your lease. I have never heard of a manufacturer being less than thrilled to extend a lease for a vehicle, unless it is a rare, in-high-demand vehicle.
If you are planning to buy another brand of car, then obviously they have no reason to help you.
Bottom line they want to get the car off the books not carry it around for a few more months.
As for your bimmer adventure, I think it was an honest screw up. Maybe they could pay for a rental car for however long it takes to get you a car. Or better yet, give you a loaner to drive. A Benz store I worked for back east once sold the same car to 2 different people. We had to go all the way to Texas to get a duplicate car, lost $$ on that deal but what can you do?
As for your contract status, in alot of states the contract isn't final until you have taken physical possesion and the dealer has recieved funds from the lender(or from you). Until both those things happen you as a consumer can terminate the deal, so can the dealer.
Sadly, you did nothing wrong. You figured out what you wanted to drive and how much to pay and set things up pretty well. Someone's incompetence has caused all that to go up in smoke. :mad:
1. Kelley and Edmunds tend to overinflate trade-in values on most vehicles (not all though).
2. A Toyota or Honda dealer will likely offer less for your domestic-built car than other dealers.
I'd post your car on the Real World Trade-In Values thread and see what Terry says it's worth.
depending on the dealer you are trading into, what kind of deal you got on the new car, what season of the year, color, mile, condition, etc can all affect what number you get on your trade.
remember, edmunds, kbb, nada, are all guides, and need to be taken as such.
-thene
10. vw new beetle
9. ford taurus
8. chev malibu / maxx / impala
7. jag s-type
6. land rover discovery
5. dodge ram 1500 quad cab with a hemi
4. pontiac aztec / buick rondezvous
3. p/t cruiser
2. jag x-type
......and the number one crappy trade of all time is......
1. anything made by hyundai, kia, isuzu, or mitsubishi.
a) Ford Windstar (cringe when we see one coming onto the lot)
b) Dodge Neon
c) Ford Focus
Ken
A lot of the vehicles on that list are a lot of car for the money, so long's they're bought used.
Eh?
-Mathias
GM likes it some dealers are ambivalent, others hate it.
One caddy dealer said his profit was @ $900 less per copy.
Most others are making a little less per copy.
It adds up to extra sales, but no extra revenue.
Apparently, GM is planning to lower stickers on the 06 models to keep them in line w/ the actual transaction price of their cars. This would mean less rebates in the future.
I don't know that this will work on a buying public addicted to rebates.
Don't shoot flames at me, I am asking with all seriousness, are you a dealer, and are these really cars you hate to see come through the dealership?
I don't have any of them, (whew), but it is nice to see what I shouldn't buy, too.
What are the predictions for future yuk cars?
Thanks
Everytime i go there they tell me that i am being to sensitive. my problem first started when they put the wrong size winter tires on and cut pieces off my splash guard. i'm really ticked off. I'm scared that when i sell my car nobody is gonna buy it cause of the problem i have had. Is there anything i can do?
This is my first car and all i have had is problems
As far as Mitsubishi goes, the Eclipses, Galants, and Lancers do alright, especially the Lancer Evolution.
Overall I think Volkswagen Jetta/Golfs and PT Cruisers are repeatedly the cars that get the worst appraisals. I have dealt with two people in the last two week who wanted to trade in 2005 PT Cruisers. Both people told me they really hated the car. LOL
Not all the cars are bad on that list, some are just very expensive to recondition for retail sale (Volkswagens).
Jaguars - stay away from X-Type: small noisy car, terrible resale value
Volvo/Audi/Saab - expensive to maintain, lots of gadgetry that loves to break, average resale value
Honda/Acura/Toyota/Nissan/Mazda/Lexus/Infiniti/Subaru - super reliable, will last long, good resale
Saturn - quality has been going down for years. Vue is trash, despite it's Honda engine
Isuzu - Buy this vehicle if you like to buy lottery tickets
Hyundai - getting better every year, but you should realize you're going to get pennies when you trade it in. If you keep your car for a long time, this is a good value.
Kia - Trash. There is no reason to buy one of these. Resale is perhaps the worst of all cars.
BMW/Mercedes - You'll pay a lot but you should get a lot when you go to trade it in as long as you don't smoke in it or drive 20,000 miles a year. Exception: Z3/Z4/X3
Ford/Chevy - Hit and miss depending on vehicle/truck. Winner: F150/Corvette/Yukon Denali. Loser: Taurus/Cavalier
Ken
Thanks All
Thanks for trying to help. It was "obviously" the wrong person.
I wrote an email to the hosts regarding something that is bothering me... maybe it won't bother us much longer.
And please use lower-case characters here and there... easier to read.
-Mathias
I read the article and Automotive News needs to get back in the car business and out of the drama business ... of course then their editors wouldn't have a job, now would they.?..l.o.l..
I probably talk with 4/5 fellow dealers a day from all over the country and it's waaaaay to early to get any "real" results on this .. but like any other business move on the planet, for those that were prepared - then it won't be a problem .. for the ones that are still waiting for the 2nd shoe to drop, then it might .... me personally, I'm more concerned about the lenders and how they will view this down the road.
Terry.
-thene
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
-thene
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
just so you know
-thene
Terry
nissan titan
ford windstar/freestar
nissan quest
chev/gmc canyon/colorado with an i-5 engine
any hummer model
any gm j-body car (cavalier, sunfire, cobalt)
pontiac vibe / toyota matrix
pontiac grand am
special award for projected crappiest trade in value (drumroll) .....*honda ridgeline*
and thats about it.....now i dont think i've left anyone out.
-thene
Way to early in the game to make such a projection I would think.
PA isn't going to let a dealer do the registration for you. They should provide you with an MSO and a check for the taxes if you are financing, and you register the car when you get to your home state. I'm in PA , but close to WV and OH and do these all the time.
05/25/2005 LOUISVLL $ 29,250 13 X RED 6G A X MW
06/08/2005 DENVER $ 28,300 92 X SILVER 6G A X SW
05/27/2005 MANHEIM $ 31,500 105 X BLACK 6G A NE
05/25/2005 MILWAUKE $ 29,000 2,660 X GRAY 6G A X MW
06/02/2005 OMAHA $ 29,100 5,640 X MRN 6G A X SW
... it's kinda hard to put a "feeling" on these right now ... some Honda dealers are doing well and some are sitting on 20 or 30+ in stock and trying to sell their 1st one, but no one is unhooking yet .... but ya never know.
Terry.
PS: the word that Frnkrzzo used was "projected" -- call me back in 15 months .l.o.l...
Yeah, I can see how in some places of the country the Ridgeline may not be all that popular. I don't think we'll see alot of them in NASCAR country, for example. Then again, get a red one and put enough #8 decals on it and the Junior Nation will prolly let it slide.
economy car-
honda civic (honorable mention mazda 3)
midsize car-
honda accord (honorable mention toyota camry)
large car-
chrysler 300 (honorable mention toyota avalon)
luxury midsize car-
lexus es (honorable mention mercedes e-class)
luxury large car-
lexus gc (honorable mention mercedes s-class)
small suv-
ford escape, mercury mariner, mazda tribute. no quetion.
mid-sized suv-
honda pilot / acura mdx
large suv-
3 way tie ford expedition, chev tahoe, toyota sequoia. assuming all are high end
1/2 ton pickup truck-
ford f-150 crew cab. no real competition here.
heavy duty pickup-
ford crew cab 4x4 with a deisel
mini van-
honda odyssey (all others are crap)
* i didnt include small pickups, because none of them are very good.
economy car-
honda civic (honorable mention mazda 3)
midsize car-
honda accord (honorable mention toyota camry)
large car-
chrysler 300 (honorable mention toyota avalon)
luxury midsize car-
lexus es (honorable mention mercedes e-class)
luxury large car-
lexus gc (honorable mention mercedes s-class)
small suv-
ford escape, mercury mariner, mazda tribute. no quetion.
mid-sized suv-
honda pilot / acura mdx
large suv-
3 way tie ford expedition, chev tahoe, toyota sequoia. assuming all are high end
1/2 ton pickup truck-
ford f-150 crew cab. no real competition here.
heavy duty pickup-
ford crew cab 4x4 with a deisel
mini van-
honda odyssey (all others are crap)
sports car-
05 or newer ford mustang gt
* i didnt include small pickups, because none of them are very good.
I wonder if Chrysler 300 resale value will last longer than that of the PT Cruiser that once was so hot.
Ford Escape resale is probably well below a CRV or RAV4.
Toyota minivans do fine with resale.
Little Toyota pickups are the kings of resale, I think.
Come to think of it, you can plug in Honda (Acura), Toyota (Lexus), BMW, and Mercedes almost anywhere they have an entry.
They registered the car for me and transfered my tag with no hassles at all.
Sounds like a dealer should be able to do the same for you.
Damon
assembly issues, water leaks, etc......................
Another different ridge exclusive site also has many of
the same problems posted.
Not good for only 11k units sold so far.....................