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  • tubeytubey Posts: 39
    I definitely agree with all of the lemon law advice you've received. In fact, a year ago when I was still "looking" I was looking mostly at used '98's. I found several in my area (Pacific Northwest)that - thanks to Carfax - I was able to determine were Lemon Law Buybacks. So we know that Audi/VW Financial for sure buys them back. Or they certainly took back a few of the '98 model year.

    I'd nail 'em. Don't know what state you're in, but most of them have very specific lemon laws.
  • robertkmgrobertkmg Posts: 9
    Thanks for all of your comments. I have the number of the State Better Business Bureau for Autos (Maryland) and have prepared the necessary documentation for their review. Per their admission, the process is somewhat lengthy. As a result, I am making efforts to deal directly w/ Audi. What is most interesting is that the service advisors at the dealer in (suburban MD) have expressed their surprise that Audi has not already made the concession and swapped cars. The ultimate decision, oddly enough, rests w/ the Sr. Regional Tech Specialist who has met w/ me, driven my car and worked on it on two occasions. I am currently awaiting a call from him this am to try and get this resolved w/o having to call the BBB of Md.

    Alan, if you have specific knowledge of the Maryland laws, I would appreciate your comments. By the way; I am the guy that called you and left you a message at your office in Mass. some weeks ago on a totally different subject and left a reference to our mutual affiliation in Potomac.
  • mosi1mosi1 Posts: 12
    Maryland's Lemon Law is codified at Commercial Law Title 14 Section 1501-1504.
  • spoon2000spoon2000 Posts: 12
    The Maryland page of the Audi Lemon Law glove box booklet states:

    "Dear Purchaser or Lessee,

    If your new Audi does not conform to all applicable warranties during the warranty period, you may be eligible for a refund or replacement but you must first report the nonconformity, defect, or condition by giving written notice to us by certified mail, return receipt requested, at the following address:

    Audi of America, Inc.
    Client Relations, 2F02
    3800 Hamlin Road
    Auburn Hills, MI 48326"

    When they talk about warranties the above blurb, it's safe to assume this includes not only the actual vehicle warranties, but the "warranty of fitness for a particular purpose" and the "implied warranty of merchantability" that are covered under the Uniform Commercial Code (which Maryland has adopted in large part). In a nutshell, these implied warranties mean that if you bought a car to drive and can't drive it for whatever reason (through no fault of your own) that your sales/lease contract is voidable.

    If I were you I would be certain to have complied with Audi's directives regarding reporting your problems in writing as described above. I would also politely inform the local Senior Regional Technical Specialist that you are going to deal from now on with headquarters and not with him. The comments of the service writers are very clear evidence that he's not handling your situation properly and that you deserve a new vehicle or refund NOW and without any further hassle or agony.

    You have been more than patient and deserve prompt resolution of your problem. The Senior Regional Technical Specialist is in the driver's seat on this situation, and you need to take control and force him to play on your terms. You are getting yanked around.
  • mosi1mosi1 Posts: 12
    I agree with spoon2000. However,I would also confirm that your dealer has complied with HIS notice requirements. The dealer must send, via certified mail, written notice to Audi of the "existence of a nonconformity, defect, or condition within 7 days when the motor vehicle is delivered to the same dealer for a fourth time for repair of the same nonconformity or when the vehicle is out of service by reason of repair of one or more nonconformities, defects, or conditions for a cumulative total of 20 days." A copy of the letter must also be sent to the Motor Vehicle Administration. If the dealer is in non-compliance, your leverage is even greater. Time to turn up the heat.
  • andys3andys3 Posts: 20
    What dealership in Maryland are you dealing with?
    I'm very close to buying a 2001 A6 2.7T (next week
    or two) and live in the Baltimore/Washington area.
    Have talked to a couple of dealers in the area, but if one is to be avoided because of poor service, I'd appreciate a heads up. Also, the dealers seem to be all singing a $2500 over invoice tune around here; has anyone IN THIS AREA gotten a better deal on a 2001? Thanks in advance.
  • spoon2000spoon2000 Posts: 12
    When I ordered my 2000 A6 4.2 last spring, the bids I received (via the CarBargains service at http://www.carbargains.org ) in the Washington-Baltimore area ranged from a low of invoice + $1500 at Len Stoler in Owings Mills, MD to a high of MSRP (i.e. invoice + $5500) at HBL in Vienna, VA.

    I bought at FSK in Frederick, MD because they offered the second lowest bid at invoice + $2000 and I didn't want to drive all the way to Owings Mills.

    I'd say invoice + $2500 is a fair deal in the Washington-Baltimore area given what I hear is increased demand for the cars, given that it's the beginning of the 2001 model year, and given that luxury sedans in general are so in demand around here, etc.
  • robertkmgrobertkmg Posts: 9
    I leased my car from Rockville Porsche Audi. I have no complaints w/ the sales or svc. departments. As a matter of fact, the svc. advisors have been pretty supportive and responsive. I got (what was,at the time) a very good lease in comparison to others in the Wash/Balt. area. Their price was actually lower than CarsDirect.com.

    The svc. advisor has spoken to the Sr. Tech, as has the dealer GM. Both called me back to advise me that I will be getting a call him the Sr. Tech this afternoon, and that I should be very forceful w/ him, as they have both offered their supporting opinions.

    The next chapter is about to unfold.
  • kyee001kyee001 Posts: 1
    I looked around the Baltimore Washington area and the best price that I got for a 2001 A6 2.7T was $1200 over invoice at Valley Motors. This car was ordered to my specifications on June 9 for delivery sometime in September.
  • dcquandcquan Posts: 2
    I ordered my six speed 2001 A6 2.7T back in mid June. At the time I placed the order the sales person told me that Audi was having problem with the sport package production and was not accepting orders for this option. Since than I have read several good reviews regarding the sport package in this forum and got me thinking about getting it (my car is not in production yet). My questions are, (1) Has anyone heard about problems with the sport package for the 2001s? (2) How noticeable is the change in ride? (3) Does the sport suspension reduces the car's ground clearance? (4)What kind of tires does it come with? How's does it perform in rain and snow? (5) Does it worth the money? Any response is appreciated.
  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    Doug,

    1. No.
    2. Haven't experienced it first hand, but those who have it seem to love it. This suspension seems to be prefered if you want more performance oriented handling. I would characterize the stock suspension as soft, but well controlled. I suggest driving the sport suspension to gain your own opinion.
    3. Yes. I think it's somewhere around 20mm. That's about 3/4 inch.
    4. 215x55 "performance tires." Don't know what kind. If they're not all season, they will degrade snow performance. Theoretically, the stiffer suspension will do this too, but owners who have it don't seem to have any problems.
    5. Depends on what you want. If you would prefer a less soft suspension with better handling, definitely. (You also get sport seats. Very comfortable, unless you are particularly wide.)

    Hope this is of some assistance.
  • lhn5lhn5 Posts: 37
    What capability does adding a chip to the A6 2.8 engine provide? Anyone know a website that describes/offes these products? Thanks. Seems like an economical way to get near 2.7T performance with the lower price of the 2.8 engine.
  • bollingerbollinger Posts: 207
    And since the A6 2.8 is already tuned to 200HP instead of the 193HP of the A4 2.8, you're really looking at a small gain. Perhaps on the order of 10HP.

    You're probably going to need a cat-back and cold-air induction system to even notice the difference. And you're not going to come near the 2.7T.

    Sorry.
  • rmcintyrermcintyre Posts: 1
    Has anyone purchased an A6 Audi at Holberts? What kind of discounts did you receive?
  • rhewinsrhewins Posts: 5
    OK, forget the wheels and tires. I have already concluded that I will have to buy those myself. Has anyone done that?

    By the way, is there any particular reason to buy the 2001 instead of the 2000? Has anything changed/improved/been fixed?
  • mpuzachmpuzach Posts: 635
    Here's a recap of the major differences:

    1. '01 model has standard ESP (Electronic Stabilization Program.

    2. Options are "bundled" differently. For '01, "Premium Package" includes steering wheel audio/phone controls, auto-dimming mirrors, xenon headlights. "Preferred Luxury Package" has moonroof, leather, HomeLink, and front L+R memory seats. (If you want only the leather, it's available as a stand-alone option.) "Guidance Package" = Nav system and rear parking assistance.

    With the exception of the leather, each of the above are available ONLY as parts of their respective packages.

    3. For '01, side curtain airbags are standard. (Optional in '00)

    4. Warranty in '01 4 yrs./50,000 miles vs. 3 yrs./50,000 for '00.

    5. '01 has immobilizer as part of anti-theft system; not available in '00.

    6. No more Lago Green or solid Royal Blue interiors in '01.

    7. No more Jaspis Green exterior in '01; Andorra Red available only on 4.2 in '01.

    I think that's it. Readers, have I missed anything?

    - Mike
  • spoon2000spoon2000 Posts: 12
    Also for 2001:

    - No more solar-powered cooling system
    - New 16" wheel available as an option
  • mpuzachmpuzach Posts: 635
    Which one are you referring to? The brochure shows a new optional 5-spoke 17" for the 4.2 (in addition to the optional 17" "pie plate" that carries over from last year), but no new 16"er. Is there a new one that isn't in the brochure?
  • mpuzachmpuzach Posts: 635
    If you live in a state serviced by carOrder.com, check their web site. Their pricing model shows "no charge" for the Preferred Luxury Package (leather, moonroof, HomeLink, memory seats & mirrors) on the 2.7T. This option retails for $2925 and invoices at $2574. It's got to be an error, but the word is that until the error is corrected in the pricing model, they're honoring the deal.

    Too bad for me. I got my 2000 A6 2.8Q through carOrder for $592 over invoice; with the free Preferred Luxury Package I could buy an indentically-equipped 2001 2.7T for only about $750 more than I paid for my 2.8.
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    While out for dinner on Sat. night, I parked next to a lovely Jaspis green 2.7T. Since I'm so interested, I was looking at it closely and noticed it had dealer plates.

    As I was leaving, the driver came up and I recognized him as the owner of the area's luxury car dealership ... Audi, Jag, Benz, BMW. He said hello, I complimented the car, and he told me that "actually, this one is my wife's."

    Just out of curiosity I asked him, "what do you have to drive?" An A8 he said.

    Interesting choices, since -- I assume -- he could have his choice of any of the cars sold at his dealership.

    Take care.
    Joe W.
  • spoon2000spoon2000 Posts: 12
    Mike,

    My mistake -- I misread the Audi website and you're correct -- it's a new optional 17" wheel (for the 4.2 only, as you said).

    -- John
  • I understand Audi is adding their new lighter, six speed, multitronic transmission sometime in 2001. Does anybody know how great an improvement this will bring to the A6? Or when it will be added? For example, if I order my A6 in Sept., will I get the Multitronic? Thanks.
  • I'm making progress w/ Audi. I have agreed to let them replace the turbos (must be as a matched set per the specs) as the last chance at repair. If the turbo replacement rectifies the problem, then I keep the car but get a significant credit for prior lease payments. The replacement should be completed by Wed/Thurs of this week. If the replacement does not rectify the problem, then Audi will replace the car w/ a 2001 model with equal or better options.

    So, this appears to be a win-win for me.

    Thanks to all you guys that have provided me w/ comments, suggestions and information.
  • That sounds like a good deal. Keep us posted on what happens, please.

    What was wrong with your car in the first place that brought all this on?
  • mpuzachmpuzach Posts: 635
    The 6-speed automatic that's being talked about is not the Multitronic. The 6-speed ZF is a "conventional" automatic transmission with 6 forward speeds. I've read unconfirmed reports that it MAY be offered on the '02 models. For more information, go to http://www.AudiWorld.com and look at the News Archives for year 2000. There's a great article on the ZF 6-speed under "May".

    The Multitronic is a continuously-variable transmission, similar to that found in the Honda Civic HX. Here's a site that can tell you more about Multitronic:

    http://www.schwab-kolb.com/audipr30.htm

    Hope this helps.

    - Mike
  • The problem has been an annoying "mechanical fluttering" sound heard during acceleration between 3000 and 4000 rpm, at which time it cuts off. The noise is so prevalent that it can be heard over the a/c, stereo, etc. When driving w/ the windows down, the noise reverberates off of the curb/jersey wall or whatever. Audi mechanics have replaced various hoses, fittings, blah blah blah w/o success. At the very beginning, I had suggested a faulty turbo. My suggestion, however, was disregarded. Now they are replacing the set. According to the mechanics at Rockville P/A and the regional expert, this specific problem has not been encountered before my car came along.
  • dcquandcquan Posts: 2
    Tim,
    Thanks for the input. Now I know a lot more than I did before. However, I am still looking for input from a Sport Package owner to give some ideas on the long term pros and cons regarding this option.
  • Good luck with your turbo replacement, I hope it cures this strange problem. I am also pleased that the dealer has tried so hard to please you - this seems to be the exception these days.

    When your new turbos are installed, PLEASE treat them with "kid gloves" and drive very easily for the first few hundred miles. Turbos spin at up to 100,000 rpm, and the bearings need a good while to break in properly.
  • timcartimcar Posts: 363
    Bob, it's really good to hear that things may be working out. Please keep us all posted.

    And, Doug, if you haven't already checked the archives here, you should be able to find more info on the PSK suspension. I'd also suggest trying AudiWorld at:

    http://www.audiworld.com/

    You can find numerous posts on the PSK suspension by using their search function. I also know that a lot of posters on that board have it and should be happy to share their experiences. Good luck!
  • bollingerbollinger Posts: 207
    Don't believe anything you hear about the multitronic coming here on any specific timetable. There is no schedule for it coming here yet. I'm not saying it won't come here, but attaching a date to it and then making decisions upon that is folly.

    As to is the multitronic good? Answer seems to be yes. It gives better gas mileage and acceleration than the standard. Better acceleration than the stick! Still, in day-to-day conditions, it will have the same "problem" as a normal automatic, which is it always tries to reduce the engine revs, thus causing your car to seem slow while the tranny shifts to get them back up.

    Personally, I'm down on the multitronic for two reasons.

    1. I am fairly certain it will be a mechanical nightmare.
    2. It's only available on the 2.8. Who wants a 2.8?
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