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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,701
    I didn't think about it until you mentioned it. Maybe it's just camera perspective with a wide angle lense, but this seems bigger than the typical badge.

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    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,062
    y'all might get a kick out of. Grbeck, Lemko, and I went to the Spring Carlisle swap meet in PA, and we took my Park Ave. I knew the exit off the highway was coming up, but since I don't drive it that often, I didn't know how far, and thought it was closer than it was. So I put my turn signal on, but way too far in advance.

    By the time we got to the exit, the car started chiming at me, but I didn't know what it was trying to warn me about. Turns out, it was a warning that I had left the turn signal on for too long, and it was reminding me to turn it off!

    Wow, Buick sure understood their audience, eh? :P It's actually a cool feature to have, as anyone, no matter how old or young, can forget and leave the turn signal on! For all I know though, by now, most cars might do that.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,543
    Some marketers and focus group types believe that big "green" badges somehow sell cars. I don't think it works that way in reality, but overpaid suits like to do things their own way.

    The latest 'Top Gear' had the tuned UK Regal equivalent (Insignia VXR), and they liked it a lot. So, it has some potential anyway. Being German won't hurt its driving dynamics.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    The latest 'Top Gear' had the tuned UK Regal equivalent (Insignia VXR), and they liked it a lot. So, it has some potential anyway. Being German won't hurt its driving dynamics.

    I saw that episode, and I believe that the VXR has a 321HP turbocharged 2.8L V6 under the bonnet - plus AWD. I was under the impression that the Regal will only be available with 4-cyl engines - naturally aspirated and turbo'd and will be FWD only.

    As usual, Europe gets the good stuff.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,543
    That's one thing that worries me...comparing it to the last German GM product we saw, the Catera. It was pretty watered down, and was already an old and mediocre product when it finally came to NA. GM has a knack for things like that. But, I think the Insignia is a far superior car, so maybe it will be better. Of course we'd never get anything like a VXR, although that would be a hell of a competitor for the SHO.
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    By the time we got to the exit, the car started chiming at me, but I didn't know what it was trying to warn me about. Turns out, it was a warning that I had left the turn signal on for too long, and it was reminding me to turn it off!

    Man, that car is already having a negative effect on you;) You know, you are what you drive;)))LOL

    Before you know it you'll be complaining about the line at the "early bird" breakfast buffet;)
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Andre in the news....

    The DeSoto lives!

    By the time we got to the exit, the car started chiming at me, but I didn't know what it was trying to warn me about. Turns out, it was a warning that I had left the turn signal on for too long, and it was reminding me to turn it off!

    It's a killer hitting 40 ain't it?

    I wouldn't remember. It was too long ago. :sick:
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Yeah, and he'll be eating dinner at 4:00 PM and going to bed at 8:30!
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    Yeah, and he'll be eating dinner at 4:00 PM and going to bed at 8:30!

    LOL
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    OK, GM fans, write down the date here.....

    I REALLY like the looks and reviews on this new Regal. I am hoping this is the first step in reclaiming the idea of performance Buicks. That would certainly make sense with the demise of "performance division" Pontiac.

    Keeping in mind that I've bought imports for years (mostly Hondas) as opposed to many in here, this is the first time in an age where I've seen something coming out of GM that had a wow factor for me and seems to be asking a proper price for it.

    This could be something.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    But, I think the Insignia is a far superior car, so maybe it will be better. Of course we'd never get anything like a VXR, although that would be a hell of a competitor for the SHO.

    You know, the Insignia was originally meant to be the new Saturn Aura, before GM decided to shut down the Saturn brand.

    But, I agree that the Insignia is a much better car than the Omega (Catera), so I have hopes that it will succeed here in the US.

    And yes, the VXR would make a dandy alternative to the SHO ... IIRC, the VXR had a 6-speed manual transmission in it, which would be one advantage over the SHO.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Well, as long as they don't dumb it down for the NA market. Why do car manufacturers feel they have to dumb-down a hot European vehicle for the American market? How about those Chinese Buicks? They are so lavish, why would anybody need a Cadillac...or even a Lexus for that matter?
  • dieselonedieselone Member Posts: 5,729
    Well, as long as they don't dumb it down for the NA market.

    I think it's mainly due to costs. Europeans will pay for a premium compact vs. here in the US where small equals cheap.

    Hopefully that is changing. Both the upcoming Cruze and Fiesta will be offering options that can make them more expensive than the avg compact. Hopefully people will be willing to pay these impressive new compacts from Ford and GM.

    As for the Regal, the Turbo model looks impressive, I don't think I'd like the N/A Ecotec version, but the DI Turbo model looks nice.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,062
    Well, here's my car as it was about to embark on what was probably the most fuel-efficient trip of its life...
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    Sucker was a pain in the rear to load up, because the back brakes locked up. My plan was to just push it out of the garage so the tow truck could get it, but it rolled about 5 feet and just stopped. I ended up having to use my pickup and a chain to drag it out!
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I can't wait for you to have that sucker on the road!
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Yikes! I wouldn't buy the car just for that! But, since this is a fan site, I do think this Buick can help GM!!

    I wonder if you can peel it off when the cars is new. If it isn't bolted on, it won't hurt the paint to remove it! I did this when the dealers used to tack on their logos back in the '70's.

    Regards,
    OW
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    Too funny! Yeah, I knew about that one since my Mom still has her PA ('01). ;)

    How about this one...on a trip to Florida in '89, my Mom was driving her P.O.S. '88 FW 'D'Elegance and noticed the digital speedo kept flashing "80". She asked how come the darn thin' is on the blink...my 'bro let her know that means your going OVER 80, MOM!!!! :surprise: :surprise:

    Regards,
    OW
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,398
    And yes, the VXR would make a dandy alternative to the SHO ... IIRC, the VXR had a 6-speed manual transmission in it, which would be one advantage over the SHO.

    And, unlike the SHO, the VXR is not an ugly bloated sled...

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    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    Some marketers and focus group types believe that big "green" badges somehow sell cars. I don't think it works that way in reality, but overpaid suits like to do things their own way.

    My beef with the flex fuel badge is that it cheapens the green message. While technically correct, almost nobody uses the fuel, ethanol costs as much to produce in oil as it saves, it displaces food production, and is far from green. So don't market it so much. The car is plenty nice as it is.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,543
    Yeah good point there...who will actually run it on the alternative fuel? Virtually nobody. It's not accessible, and not really green...just different for the sake of being different.

    I am sure there's some Euro diesel unit for the Insignia that would be far better.
  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    And, unlike the SHO, the VXR is not an ugly bloated sled...

    +1 to that comment, rb

    Would also like to see the Focus RS500 offered here as well.
  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,398
    Would also like to see the Focus RS500 offered here as well.

    Me too. I'd like to see a Cruze with the turbo 4 from the Cobalt SS.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    I'd like to see a Cruze with the turbo 4 from the Cobalt SS.

    With a short-throw 6-speed manual, I would think. 260HP would be just fine in something that size, no doubt.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,701
    >I wonder if you can peel it off when the cars is new.

    Since seeing that picture, I saw a picture of a Fusion with a similar E85 tag. It too seemed overly large. I think I'm comparing to the slim tag that's on Impalas and Malibus that I see at a local quick market zone office; the managers all drive E85 cars bought by the company.

    Since that was a US spec car but was in Deutschland, I hope the tag is larger than normal for the US cars in June or July when they show up. I, like you, would probably pull it off with a little warm air from a hair dryer and put it in a plastic bag in the glove box to put back on if I ever decided to sell the vehicle.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,543
    edited April 2010
    I just checked a German buyer's guide I have at my desk...there you can get an Insignia with AWD and a 190hp 6-speed diesel...sedan or wagon...I guess we will eventually get the wagon too.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,062
    I've probably asked you this before, but I'm drawing a blank right now. Hey, it happens...after all, I'm a Buick driver who forgot to turn his turn signal off! :P Has your Mom had any trouble with her '01? Is she happy with it?

    My grandmother's cousin still drives a 1989 Coupe DeVille that she got from her boyfriend (if you can call them that at their age...I think they refer to them as "gentleman callers" or something like that) back in 1992. Considering that she doesn't take very good care of it, it's actually holding up pretty well! I'm sure it still has under 100,000 miles, but she's not the type to keep up on maintenance. I remember one time a few years back, she asked me to drive it because she thought it was acting funny. I did, and came back and asked her when's the last time she had the transmission serviced? She just looked at me confused, and asked what that meant!

    I guess they must have really gotten the kinks worked out of that aluminum V-8 by the time they went to the 4.5. I'm sure an early 80's 4.1 wouldn't have tolerated her kind of abuse!
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,701
    http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-buick-dropping-trim-level-badge-designations-- for-2012.html

    Buick will go to packages rather than the model designations which imply cheaper, middle, and ultimate auto levels.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    I like the idea. Knowing GM (and consumer demand), they'll slap on a package badge though. :)

    Maybe for an encore, consumers will be able to order the packages they want in a reasonable amount of time instead of having the dealers order a bunch of the same thing.
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    I wonder if going back to the old "custom" and "limited" monikers would work. Neither has a connotation of being cheap, and would still differentiate between a base and more upscale version.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,062
    I dunno...I do like the idea of going badgeless. IIRC, Cadillac did that for awhile in the 1950's and 1960's. At least, I've seen Caddies from that era at various car shows, and for the most part, they have no badging on them other than simply "Cadillac"...unless it was an Eldorado. At least, I've seen Caddies where it wasn't always obvious whether it was a Series 62 or a Deville, unless you really knew what to look for in the way of features.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    Don't forget "Deluxe" and "custom deluxe". Of course each brand differed as to whether deluxe or custom was the cheapy model.

    I hope Buick doesn't follow Toyota with its arbitrary and often ridiculous package options. What a pain!
  • circlewcirclew Member Posts: 8,666
    No, you never asked but she said it's the best car she owned. Nothing has gone wrong with the car but it only has ~55K miles. It is better than the 2 Caddies she had ('84 SDV and the junk-box '88).

    Regards,
    OW
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,701
    edited May 2010
    http://www.corvetteblog.com/archives/corvette-news-its-official-kentuckys-state-- - car-corvette.html

    I'll bet each legislator is going to buy one for themselves (at state expense?).

    What's funnier is toyota camry and the other related versions are assembled at Georgetown, Kentucky.

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    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    A more practical fast police car would be a 2011 Mustang GT Bullit painted dark green. Corvettes are nice but too fragile.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,701
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-10/rattner-says-gm-to-show-quarterly-pr- ofit-next-week-update2-.html

    "“GM is on a path to sustained profitability, given the rate of car sales and its lower cost base,” said Rattner, speaking at the Detroit branch of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago at a conference sponsored by Wayne State University to review the task force’s activities. He also said the first- quarter results will be revealed May 17; GM hasn’t set a date."

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Article that imidazo posted said:

    "GM reported a $78.2 billion profit for last year’s third quarter, which included its recapitalization coming out of bankruptcy. Its last regular quarterly profit was in the April- to-June period of 2007."

    $78B profit for a quarter for GM???? That is unbelievable. Also unbelieveable is GM CEO Whitacre on tv commercials in last couple weeks saying that GM paid back ALL loans. That too is unbelieveable. Should the Congress investigate these outrageous claims for credibility? What is going on in this era of Obamaism?
  • tlongtlong Member Posts: 5,194
    Perhaps they were profitable because of the, ahem, new investments in the company? From US!
  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    I would say that's exactly what "recapitalization" means. For accounting purposes, that money has to go on the books, and must "look" like a profit. The better result is what they will report about the first quarter in '10 in a few days.
  • berriberri Member Posts: 10,165
    The gov money directly affects cash flow, but not really profits. It goes into the balance sheet as new assets offset by an increase in equity. Not quite sure how its accounted at this moment since the new stock hasn't been issued yet, perhaps as an intangible similar to goodwill? To help profit it would have to decrease cost of goods sold or administrative costs. Those impacts are minimal from a cash infusion. Where it may help indirectly is lowering their cost of capital and loan requirements. Now the BK did reduce costs and directly impact profitability. I suppose you can make an argument that since the gov money helped them stay in business through the BK it indirectly boosted profit because of the BK savings.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,701

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • cooterbfdcooterbfd Member Posts: 2,770
    Heh, he picked it over an Audi A4 :blush:
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,062
    I'm suddenly reminded of what Lee Iacocca said, when he posed by the first K-car off the assembly line. "If this one sells, we're gonna build another one just like it!" :P

    Seriously though, that new Regal looks to be a decent car. And it's nice to see GM bring back a time-honored name and put it on a respectable car, rather than drag them through the mud like they did with the Daewoo LeMans, The N-body Calais 4-4-2, 1974 GTO, etc.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Nicely designed car. Thank goodness there are no goofy looking porthole ornaments on the front fenders. Maybe all of the lousy designers (Aztek, old Malibu, last gen Camaro/Firebird, etc) have retired or otherwise left GM.
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Nice. Just checked the local Buick dealer's site. Not yet.
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • tbone_raretbone_rare Member Posts: 96
    We're supposed to get ours in about 10 days at my dealership. There are some out already at some of the larger dealerships. I checked 300 miles from south central Illinois and there are no turbos yet. They're scheduled to be out later this year.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,701
    IPO getting organized.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100515/bs_nm/us_gm_adviser

    DETROIT (Reuters) – The Treasury Department is interviewing Wall Street bankers to advise the government on an initial public offering of General Motors Co (GM.UL), the Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday.
    ...

    executives have said privately that earnings will be very strong, including an operating profit.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,701
    edited May 2010
    "This is the car that’s flying out of showrooms all over North America since it was introduced in May 2009 and helping pull GM out of what looked, not so long ago, like a potentially fatal financial downturn.

    http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/785937

    "Production of a Camaro convertible is expected to begin next January. The shop has been doing body tryouts since March to ensure that everything fits properly and it all goes smoothly. And before that, says Brown, the equipment had to be installed.

    "Then there’s the “synergy green” V6 model in an eye-searing metallic shade that may not be to everyone’s taste but which GM brass insist has been in demand since it was first used on a concept car. There will be V8s in the colour soon."

    That must be the color of beautiful green car I see some mornings while at the coffee shop on the way to work.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • carstrykecarstryke Member Posts: 168
    anyone know a good gm accessories site just to browse upon.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,701
    edited May 2010
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37214138/ns/business-autos/?ns=business-autos

    "...the housing crisis has hammered the lender and, for much of 2009, sorely limited the number of auto loans and leases it would write — something industry observers believe cost GM many thousands of potential sales.

    "Thanks to its own federal bailout, Ally’s health is improving and it is beginning to open the spigots again, but there have been numerous reports in recent days suggesting GM will either try to buy back its old subsidiary or start a new captive finance arm. In March, the Congressional Oversight Panel, which oversees the banking and automotive bailouts, recommended that Treasury look into recombining what is now Ally with GM.

    "Joe Phillippi, of AutoTrends Consulting, was more blunt. After decades in which GM’s numbers often seemed to suggest good times ahead, only to be followed by further corporate decline, the first quarter financial report looked “clean,” said Phillippi, “without any financial gimmickry.”

    "Observers credit this to Bob Lutz, who retired at 78 from his post as vice chairman early this month. "

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • xrunner2xrunner2 Member Posts: 3,062
    Imidazol work for GM? Car magazines testing/comparing Mustang to Camaro have favored the Mustang overall. The new V6 of Mustang matches, exceeds the Camaro in performance. And, in a Mustang, you can actually see what's around you to drive safely compared to driving in a tank like situation of Camaro.
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