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The Elantra factory receiver is a single-DIN unit and the aftermarket ones of recent discussion here are of the double-DIN type. Installing such a receiver in the Elantra would require cutting the dash plastic to make the factory opening twice as high (i.e., once you go double-DIN, you never go back). Fitting a double-DIN in a single-DIN slot is like squeezing a 300 lb person into the pants of a 150 pounder - not a pretty operation.
Also, my strong interest in the Hyundai has a LOT to do with what I deem as the value quotient. While I think the Elantra is a very nice little car, had Hyundai priced it $3000 higher, I would lose virtually all interest.
If price wasn't one of the primary considerations for me, the Elantra would be further down my list (following the Jetta, Golf, Protege 5, Sentra SE-R, and yes, even the Neon).
The sound system is very important to me. Sure, I can always upgrade the Elantra's sound system aftermarket, but that drives up the price of the Elantra relative to the competition (not to mention that I much prefer the look of factory installed units).
Having driven both, I can honestly say that BOTH the Neon and Elantra are nice, but very different cars. The Elantra feels smooth, quiet and comfortable (kind of like a miniature Buick) and the Neon feels light and sporty (kind of like a little sports car). The Neon has a superior sound system with Infinity speakers (great factory sound is a Chrysler trademark) and the Elantra has a superior warranty. In all candor, I could go either way. We'll see how the negiotiations shake down when I get there.
Out of curiousity, does anyone know if Hyundai re-instituted the $500 rebate on the '02 models? I saw an Metro Hyundai ad this weekend that mentioned it on the Elantra. This doesn't seem to mesh with the Edmunds info though (and I always get error messages when I use the Hyundai site), so I can't confirm.
Perhaps Hyundai gives special dealer incentives to the top volume dealers? Just a thought (I'm still trying to figure out how the dealers in LA can sell them below "cost").
However, I hope you are looking at a manual transmission if you are looking at the Neon. Unless the 2002 is changed from the 2001, the automatic transmission is a 3-speed! Reviewers panned the car, saying it was ludicrous to expect buyers to purchase a car with such a lame transmission.
I bought a Sony 10 disc changer and a security system for my daughter's 2001 Elantra for $300 plus tax (installed). She loves it, even though she has to use a remote...
By the way, I am not on a vendetta against Chrysler -- my wife and I each have a 300M. But when I researched cars for my daughter, the Elantra was a clear winner over ALL of the competition value-wise and, in many cases, performance and feature-wise as well! A great little car...
And I still feel the Elantra was the best car for my daughter at that price! No regrets...
Intrepid, no more automatic trannies for me [for a while]. It is IMPERATIVE my next vehicle have a stick (I've actually begun resorting to make believe manual shifting in my current car - which is a bit ridiculous, even I'll admit). No car salesman will talk me into another auto. I'm longing for a shift-it-yourself car again.
And the "I must have this" concept is, unfortunately for me, incomprehensible to some salespeople.
What I find extremely annoying about car salesmen is they ALWAYS try to get you to buy out of their stock - even if you're extremely finicky about the color and options (like me). You can tell them you want a champagne one with a stick and a sunroof and not three minutes later, they're trying to sell you a blue one with an automatic and no sunroof. But, I digress.
You should't have to cut anything to put a double din in the Elantra. When you take out the factory stereo the tray underneath it comes right out with it and leaves a double din size space.
After lots of investigating, my decision in the end was between an '02 4-spd. auto Neon SE and Elantra (price was a big factor, and the reason I considered Neon was the fun factor/bang for the buck/having a sunroof and an in-dash 4-cd/cassette changer in a sub-$15K car). But looking long-term, the Elantra's warranty and overall feel of quality in its price range spoke volumes. This is my first new car, and after reading these posts and particularly Edmunds' long-term road test installments, I'm confident I made the right choice.
Before taxes/tags and applying the $500 rebate, I paid $13,275. The dealership (Route 119 Hyundai/Suzuki, White Plains, NY) was good and my salesperson (Fred Velazquez) was VERY good. I had test-driven an Accent about two months before and his professionalism was a key factor in bringing me back w/o checking other dealers first. I told him that, he knew that I had done my homework, and so we made a deal that was good for both (I got a good price, he got an end-of-the-month sale and moved an '01 off the lot).
One thing about the sound system: I think it's decent enough (Pkg 3 gives you the six-speaker setup). The Neon and Focus systems are indeed better, but the Elantra's is better than any Honda.
It looked fixed to me, so I thought you would have to cut it out to fit in a double-DIN.
Is it correct to assume then that you could slide in a double-DIN CD/cassette combo and replace it later with the factory unit (when you decide to sell it) by simply sliding back in the plastic divider - no harm done?
So long as you don't have to do any permanent alterations to the dash, this would seem like the best option then (unless you REALLY get a kick out of opening your trunk every time you exchange CDs).
I put in another single-Din stereo with just a cd player (I haven't bought a cassette tape in ten years)and I had to attach the tray to the new stereo to keep the tray in there. It will probably
be easier for you to put in a double-Din than another single-Din.
Not trying to influence your decision on an in-dash stereo unit vs. a CD changer, but you don't need to exchange CD's very often with a 10-disc changer. That gives you somewhere in the neighbourhood of 10 hours of play between exchanges...
There are some people who can listen to an entire CD, but even the ones I have where I like every song, I usually get tired of listening to the same sound for an hour (unless it's a really good compilation CD and has a bunch of different artists on it). The only time I play several CDs back-to-back in their entirety is when I go to bed at night.
I carry a box that holds 50 CDs with me when I go on driving trips (and that's about 10% of my CD collection) because one second I'm in the mood for Depeche Mode and suddenly I get some unnatural craving for Dean Martin. I'm sure I'm not the only one like this either...
I also NEED a cassette player in the car because I've dubbed quite a number of movies (although they do lose something when you're only listening to them) and political speeches (the 1992 Vice Presidential debate is one of my personal faves) onto cassette over the years.
Also, the LAST thing you want to do up here in Minneapolis in the winter is get out of the car when it's 20 below and pop open the trunk just because of an urge to listen to the Pet Shop Boys.
I really agree with buoyant about the cassettes, however. I have several that I don't want to part with. The reason I didn't get the cd option when I bought my daughter's Elantra was because it eliminated the cassette player -- also not acceptable to her! She is very happy with the 10-disc changer.
It seems more automakers are now forcing buyers into an either/or cassette/cd player decision...
Now I have the 01 Elantra with opt 3, (no cassette).
What I have been doing is converting all my cassettes over to CDs on my computer. I have hooked up a cassette player to my sound card input and using "Cool Edit" software, recorded the cassettes onto my computer. You can then clean up the recordings and record them onto CDs.
I am now about halfway thru this process after 3 months but eventually I will no longer be using cassettes.
Since this is an Elantra forum I will comment about my Elantra.
I now have just over 8k mi and my only complaints are the buzz in the passenger side (door/headliner/B pillar???) and the 'shift flare' from 2nd to 3rd gear.
Just got 32mpg on a vacation run to the mountains.
435mi on 13.5gal(low fuel light just turned on) in mixed hwy/mountain driving. (mostly hwy at 70mph)
In dash changers without cartridges are appealing to me, but what I want even more right now is one of those portable hard drive juke boxes that I can just run through a cassette tape adapter. I'll probably get one when they get big enough to hold my collection. I'll probably need a 40gb unit but would like an 80gb unit. The biggest one I know of is 6gb...or maybe there is a 20gb unit out there.
I figure an 80gb unit would hold about 20,000 songs. That ought to be enough music. I wonder how tough it is to operate one while driving?
This lead me to scout out the Sentra, '02.
the SE-R has a 165 HP engine.
The SE-R Spec V has 175 HP engine.
Could this be a case of you get what you pay for?
Feedback anyone.
I currently have a ZX3, '00 and want to trade it in. I have had a new windshield, four recalls and a new transmission and brake drum, Also, a stripped tie rod, a present from the serviceman. So I am very leery about trying an unproven car like the Elantra. Plus, I had a Ford service experience from Hell.
Also, looking at the Subaru line but not sure I can afford it.
NOW, I understand about FORD< Fix Or Repair Daily.
With the Sentra SE-R and Spec V, it's definitely a case of you get what you pay for. You're talking about cars that run $16.5-17.5k list without any options, compared to the Elantra that is $13k list before options.
I think the Elantra would be most comparable to a Sentra GXE in terms of ride, handling, etc.
Personally, I think the Sentra SE-R Spec V looks really cool, but I've read nothing but bad things about it. One magazine, if memory serves correct, compared its shifter to that of an arcade video game. Another described its action as "plasticky."
Plus, with 175 horses and little mass, you'd think it would be faster (only a second faster to 60mph than a base Sentra with a stick). And a six speed manual with a 28mpg highway rating? I take that to mean that the ratios are really close and city driving is a complete nightmare.
They could've had such a cool little car with the SE-R, but something went awry on the road to Productionville.
Personally, I'd love a Sentra GXE with a 5spd, but unfortunately, that model is not available with a sunroof (unless you trust Ziebart Tidy Car on your roof with a Milwaukee Sawzall). You have to go with the top of the line model to get access to that option. Bad idea.
Regards,
JM
I checked the TPS as shown in your picture and the following is the info off it.
On the left side it shows 'DAE' with 'Sung' under that.
On the right side it shows 'Automotive' with 'Co LTD' under that.
On the bottom it has the numbers 2121 1110 and 35170-23500 under that.
It also has the Hyundai symbol molded into the plastic body of the sensor.
Hope this helps.
Will have to test drive one. I hope they have a hatch or wagon.
Still love this car. No problems whatsoever!
Just past 18000 miles on my 01 Elantra GLS with pkg 4 (moonroof). Best damn new car I have ever owned. Not a single problem. Only thing I added was fog lights. Now I only wish Hyundai would make an Elantra GLS with GT features such as ABS, Moonroof, Alloy, Leather and V6?
Shawn
Frankly after sitting in a GT (the car I was waiting for when I had to buy) I kind of like the seating and instruments of the GLS better. I've gotten used to the seating fabric which initially looked kind of cheesy to me, now I really like it, at least in gray.
As a bonus, Hyundai could offer straight-pipe exhausts out the top of the hood that shoot flames 2 feet into the air every time you pull away from a stoplight.
Just an idea.
BTW, I am not being serious (just in case anyone was in question). I'm all for the 4 banger, which seems to have plenty o' power IMO.