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Whoa - you car has been to a body shop. Industry standard has virtually no paint masking done at the factory nor is any needed - parts are painted before they are assembled.
A large local body that I've used several times always has a few brand new, unsold cars on hand getting minor paint work done - mostly nicks and scratches in black luxury cars from a dealership.
I'd speculate that your car was in an accident, perhaps during a test drive. If the body shop got paint overspray on glass and rubber trim pieces, then it's obvious that the shop wasn't very good. Your selling dealer is also highly suspect for not disclosing this (you think is was a coincidence that they gave you this particular vehicle in the rain?).
If it were me, my first thought would be - "How can I prove that -I- didn't wreck and repair the car?" Then I'd be contacting Honda with my story. Good luck with your "new" car and it's clumsy body repairs.
Do us all a favor and post the name of your selling dealer so that Edmund's readers in your area can stay away from his "specials".
It is a federal law that any damage over a certain amount ($1,000 - I'm not sure about this) has to be disclosed via a 'window sticker' addition on a new car.
I would be taking this thing to a body shop, one that will give a written opinion about any previous repairs made, and if it comes up with a lot of repair, I think I would get a lawyer.
If it is just a replaced hood, with no supports or other front end replacements, it might be acceptable. But if it had new bumper, fenders, radiator support, etc, I wouldn't be driving this 'new' car.
This dealer could be in a lot of trouble.
AFAIK - there is no federal law in this regard. Each state has it's own limitations regarding damage disclosure.
I don't think I would be able to prove that since I got the car last May.
quote: "Do us all a favor and post the name of your selling dealer so that Edmund's readers in your area can stay away from his "specials". "
I don't think Edmunds allows us to print the names of dealers in the forum, but it was in Orlando, FL if that helps anybody out.
If anybody has a 2004 and can check, I looked underneath the front bumper on the very bottom and saw two rectangular places where it looks like something had held onto the piece while it was being painted because there is no paint whatsoever there. Can someone check and see if their car has this also? As far as overspray goes, what I saw was a small bit on one side front window and I also saw on the rubber trim around the top of the door where it looked like the door had been shut before the paint had completely dried and a little bit stuck to the trim. It has almost worn off by now, but not quite. One last question - do Hondas come with clearcoat?
6. Posts about dealers
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"6. Posts about dealers
When posting about your experience with a dealership, you may post ONLY the dealership name, city, and state. You may not post a salesperson's name, phone numbers, email addresses, links to dealer web sites, etc."
I do not want to accuse the dealer of something if I do not know for a fact that they did it. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but from what you guys are saying it sure *looks* suspicious. However, repainting aside, if someone were just curious and asked me where I bought my car, I would tell them Holler Honda.
Does anybody know what the purpose of these is? If not, anyone care to speculate?
I can't fathom whether they're for rain or wind and whether they're for the tires, the brakes, or what.
Might be useful when you pull forward into a parking spot or something. I've never used them that way though.
___Those small plastic plates are air dams. They do indeed help improve the airflow toward the lower portion of the wheel which is traveling ever closer to your actual speed and direction as the air comes closer to the pavement.
Insight Encyclopedia @ http://www.insightcentral.net/encyclopedia/enaero.html
The air dams are used in front of both front and rear wheels to improve aerodynamic characteristics. Since these spoilers extend lower than the rest of the body, when parking in front of concrete curb stops, you should be careful not to drive forward too far.
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
You may also notice that the gears are also shifting to lower gears to help slow the car down (eg. 5th to 4th around 60 km/hr and from 4th to 3rd at round 40 km/hr). In my opinion, this is normal.
LOL Ktnr. In both forums I've seen that post.
Please explain for all of us , specifically what professional qualifications you've earned or have been awarded in order to make such outrageous claims about Honda's mirror design, placement and safety. Nonsense!
Probably the same as all the rest of us. Each is entitled to his own opinion. Can we move on and just have a polite discussion without the angst, please.
I too thought the blockage was at exactly the wrong position for cross streets in my area. That angle varied with how far back the seat has to be for leg length. Mine was bad (short legs).
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
You can't depend on using mirrors only!
-Find another dealer.
-If you can't, insist the service manager [not the service writer] ride with you in your car. Then switch to any new car on the lot, and if necessary, repeat until you find ONE car with a seat that moves. There won't be one.
-Then start thinking about hiring a lawyer, if you have indeed actually exhausted all of the appeal processes up through Honda of America.
The problem is likely not in the rail itself, but in the seat mounting mechanism that attaches the seat to the rail. This is assuming, of course, that the seat rail was properly torqued to the floor when the reinstallation occurred - the fact that the problem went away for awhile makes me wonder. Those bolts require a lot of torque and it needs to be applied precisely. If the dealer has a body shop, you might ask the manager there to have a look, as well.
Thanks again.
Oh, yes, one time I locked myself out of my used, 1947 Studebaker "business coup" with no back seat and a trunk that went through to the passenger compartment.
The trunk latch was unlocked, so I just crawled into the car through the trunk.
Really, any complaint about the lack of a passenger side door lock is a non issue, indeed......Richard
It can be a very valuable asset to have. The battery in the remote is dead or the remote just doesn't work, the driver's lock is frozen shut, or a car is parked so close to the driver's side you can't get in the car. With a lock on the passenger's side, you still have an option.
What does it cost a large manufacturer to install an extra lock? Not much. This is a stupid decision by the auto industry.
Here's my list of dislikes on this crappy 2003 Accord LX (in addition to the ones you already mentioned):
o clutch release from 2nd gear;
o jerky acceleration if you ease off the gas pedal completely, and then onto the gas again;
o weak acceleration from 1st gear (engine is roaring at 3000 rpm and yet you don't feel any significant forward thrust, especially if whole family is riding)
o poor interior workmanship;
o the ugly butt;
ramida
I think the fact there are so few people who find the missing key cylinder THAT important is why they are missing. There are very few vehicles that have passenger side key cylinders. Especially in this price range. If the deletion of the key cylinder is cost cutting. Then using that logic when they made side air bags, ABS, and all around 5 star crash rating standard , they were just giving stuff away. How much is that worth? I mean since the Accord is near the top in safety for the price, which is more important? A useless key cylinder or potentially useful safety equipment?
Since batteries don't go dead every day, the deletion of the key cylinder on that ONE SUV doesn't seem too significant. That is unless your friend can't afford the basic maintenance to keep his SUV operating. I mean they don't include and exterior release for the hood in case the interior pull fails. That happens. And many cars don't have a back-up in case the fuel filler release fails. They probably happen right about as much as a well maintained car needs a battery.
And if someone changes their oil three times as often as recommended, they should have no problem changing the batteries in the car and the keyless fob WELL before they die.
Don't think I've ever had to do this. It's funny how something like this can be such a major issue to just a few people. Oh well, we are all different.
As far as the A piller being thick...well, yes it is and it took me a (short)time to get used to it.
Guess a car company can't win..." I want five star crash test results and rollover protection and side curtain airbags but don't you dare make the A pillars any thicker"!
The Model A Ford doesn't have a driver's door lock either! Horrors!
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Regards to battery maintenance. Batteries today just seem to die. They don't give any warning.
The question remains. Why not have a passenger door key lock and for that matter why not have a gas door emergency door release?
I am not just referring to Honda products here. Sometimes this is a matter of convenience, sometimes a matter of safety. The Chrysler 300 doesn't have a key hole for the trunk and the battery is in the trunk. Just think of what a mess this could be if the remote stops working or the car battery needs replacing.
Just because an idea is new it doesn't automatically mean it is better.
___Do you have a link?
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
Maybe the Model A will get recalled!
___Why do all of your sentences start with the line.
___Just curious.
___Craig aka isellhondas
___Did you ever learn to indent? Since there is no way to place a gap at the beginning of a sentence, it works ok.
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
over a few spaces
and make the indentations?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I guess the rules of proper grammer have changed?
Batteries don't die often enough to warrant someone to NEED lock cylinders in all doors. I mean higher end cars have motors that complete the closing of trunks and have windows that have to open a bit before the doors can open. Maybe we all ought to buy the batteries they use.
The idea ain't new. The cylinders started disappearing long ago. But that Chrysler 300 battery in the trunk thing does sound a bit like trouble.
Some of us are stuck in the Model T days
of grammar, myself included.
When I did take some license with the King's
English I was berated for having used "berated" and personified a car.
Oh for the good old days.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Hmmm. The Edmunds forums did not used to accept spaces at the beginning of a sentence and most forum SW elsewhere does not either? I will start as I hope you will too.
Good Luck
Wayne R. Gerdes