Older Honda Accords

bodydouble

Only on the Honda dealer-installed alarms can you switch between honk/silent by pressing the "lock" and "unlock" buttons simultaneously. In a way, the factory system is simplified. If you don't want the "honk" then don't press the lock button twice when you arm the car. I find there are times when you do need to "honk" and need the loud honk, ie. when parked outdoors, with high ambient noise level, on a really bright sunny day when you can't see the parking lights flash.

bodydouble

You are by no means the only one who likes the '03 design, but I'm afraid at this point you are still in the minority.

robr2

Count me in as one that likes it. The upturn towards the back looks great IMHO. Very Alfa-esque as I noted before.

WRT to Honda saying the new Accord would be revolutionary, we've all been concentrating on looks. Maybe the revolution will be under the hood - CVT automatic or hybrid engine available? We'll know soon enough.

Lastly, the Accord sedan is designed to sell 400K units a year - that doesn't happen through with outlandish design. Quality, value, and substance does. IMHO, the Altima doesn't look that great to me (the tailights yeeechh). The Camry again is not an exciting design IMHO. There's nothing wrong with skewing older with a design - provided that younger people still buy the nameplate when they get older as opposed to no new buyers and current ones dying off.

wgr

You guys may be right - the Honda loyalists are not going to care that much how it looks. There has been a lot of talk on this board about how the design will continue to appeal to the regular (i.e. older) audience. I am 56 years old and I for one think the previous generation was too bland and now the 03 is simply ugly. I now am really interested in the Mazda 6. I just hope Mazda does not raise prices too much. I want reliability, but also a slicker design. On the other hand, Honda makes few if any mistakes, so we shall see.

jimmyj1945

I paid 22K for the car. That includes only the car with shipping. Trade, tax, tile, ect. are all extra. I tried to make it so you could compare apples to apples. The MSRP (Sticker) is $25,300+$440-Destination=$25,740, as are all Accord EX-V-6. Some are claiming even less. I know this is what I paid as I negotiated the price first and then went home and got my trade.

Jim

wmanning1961

The 2003 Accord will be out around Sept 15th , 4cyl-160 -hp and the v-6 -240 with a 5speed automatic, and a 6 speed manuel in coupe, telescoping tilt, side curtain airbags, abs standard

blueskies

....for the answer on interior volume figures. I thought that might be the case, but wasn't sure. It's interesting to see how favorably the Accord interior volume figures compare with cars that seem larger on the outside.

amazing2u

Is the info official or are you just relaying what rumors you saw on other forums?

Honda already said that they would not do a HP war against Nissan (IE. <240HP). I'm just curious as to where you got your info.

vmaturo

I heard that since Honda has gotten away with a 3/36 Warranty for so long, they are thinking of dropping it to 2/24.

Maybe they figure they can get even more people to buy their extended warranty plans. Who knows....maybe they'll just drop the Warranty completely. I doubt if anybody will care. After all, they are so reliable. Nothing ever needs fixing.

beachnut

jimmyj1945: if I could find one "out-the-door" for $22K, in red of course, I just might do it :-)

bolivar

The real question still open here is: Did they know a trade was involved?????????If so, they covered some profit in the amount they gave for your trade, that is guaranteed.

Could you have bought the car for $22,000, including shipping, for CASH??????

If so, where is this dealership. I've got a 2002 EX V6, but for this price I might just go buy a second one.....

bodydouble

Same model year, engine, trim, identical??

What would you do with 2? Matching his and hers Accords with the spouse?

jimmyj1945

I explained perfectly:$22,000.00. Bought in Lubbock, Texas. Want one? Just let me know. Also, Frank Kent Honda in Fort Worth, Texas, $21,995.00 and Huggins Honda in North Richland Hills, Texas, $22,100.00. Take your choice. This is no BS. I'm not a child (56-Years old). Just great deals before the 2003. Maybe even go lower?

Jim

1wiseguy

The 02 Accord SE 5 speed (alloy wheels, moonroof. A/C, heated seats, CD, etc etc etc) is selling for 24,800 CDN MSRP. With each CDN dollar being worth about 65 1/2 cents, you do the math!

masik

Please help. I urgently need to buy a midsize sedan, and I spent three hours reading reviews and made decision that I want to buy 2002 DX Honda Accord. The only thing I cannot find is whether it has antilock brakes and front air bags. From the picture it looks like it has dual air bags. Is that so? Does it come with antilock brakes?

subzero206

honda wont accept the warranty if u buy in canada and bring it to US

cds12

No ABS on the DX. Not even an option.

beachnut

We had "his & her Accords" for about 1.5 yrs before I traded the '98 for our minivan. I'll admit that I really didn't like it per se, but it's actually more common than one might think ... not only with Accords, but I used to see it in the past with folks who owned Saabs.

hylndr61

http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=&content_code=05022555

vtec2

Those slotted five-spoke wheels on the coupe look like they might be 17's. Imagine that, 17 inch wheels on a Honda.

bodydouble

Hey, good work, hylndr61.

The models in these photos look better than the ones on vtec.net., especially the sedan. Must be the angle of the shots. The sedan looks like it's got 16" wheels and the coupe maybe even 17".

bodydouble

You took the words right out of my mouth! I gotta learn to type faster!

fredvh

The DX, and ALL vehicles for the US market have both a driver and a front-passenger air-bag. cds12 is right that the DX does not have ABS and it is not an option. It is an option on the LX. You also might want to consider a SE which is an LX with the ABS and a 4-cylinder auto trans. The SE is approx $1000 more than the LX but is worth it as long as you want a 4-cylinder auto. I have no idea if DX models are easy to find or not but usally the dealers have more upgrade models than base ones. I hope this helps.

beachnut

We had "his & her Accords" for about 1.5 yrs before I traded the '98 for our minivan. I'll admit that I really didn't like it per se, but it's actually more common than one might think ... not only with Accords, but I used to see it in the past with folks who owned Saabs.

cajun626

The SE package does NOT add ABS. It adds wood trim, sunroof, alum. wheels, alarm and keyless.

vtec2

I agree about the sedan's wheels possibly being 16's. It looks like the sedan shares its wheels with one of the coupes.

crv16

These new spy pics show the new Accord has a sophisticated look - I see a little bit of the previous generation MB S-class in the rear of the car. I think we all are going to be (positively) suprised when real, high-definition pics become available.

I was really worried when I first saw the spy pics at vtec.net. The autoweek pics are much better - they show off the lines of the car.

With better motors (160-170hp 4cyl, 240hp 6cyl) and transmissions (5spd auto), not to mention classy styling, the new Accord will top the Camry next year. If the rumors of head air bags are true, that will be a slam-dunk for the Accord.

With those features, it will now compete with BMW 5 series and Audi A6. I'm guessing the Accord will gain 5-8% in interior space. Look at how the rear seat is pushed back, along with the more upright rear window. With space for 5 "real" adults, performance that will match/exceed most european mid-size sedans, and a price tag 10 to 20 grand less, the Accord is gonna dominate!

Anyone interested in buying my '01 Accord EX 5spd sedan this fall?

canadatwo

The 2002+ Camry is really going to have a difficult time "ruling" with its terrible 2-star side impact crash rating.
I am suprised that the media has not jumped all over this recently released test result.

As well, the 2002 Camry's styling is just as, if not more bland, than the 2003 Accord. It also lacks some of the "class" that appears in the 2003 Accord.

Odds are that the 2003 Accord will also out-accelerate & out-handle the current Camry while having just as good, if not better ride.

And, if Honda can maintain some resemblence of inital quality, the Accord will also win on that score as the initial quality of the 2002 Camry has been poor (for a Toyota) judging by owners complaints.

I think the choice for a mid-priced midsize sedan will come down to the new Accord (for class/ride/comfort/quality) or the new Mazda 6 (for sportiness/drivability/design).

The Camry and Altima will be second choices (although still good cars in their own right)

alpha01

While I agree with some of your comments about the 2002 Camry and without getting into a war about styling (which is subjective), I'm curious to know what "class" you are talking about in terms of the 2003 Accord, especially since I'm assuming you've only seen pictures. I think its a safe assumption that the Accord will out handle the Camry (they always have) but what makes you think the Accord will offer a better ride (they never have). And owner complaints... which ones? I certainly dont have any, aside from the disappointing 2 star rating (how the driver could get two stars and the rear passenger get 5 is beyond me)...but thats not quality related. Most often, owners will come to these boards to ask questions about problems, and I dont think that these boards are indicative of owner sentiment.
Just my .02. It's going to be an interesting battle, especially with the Altima getting an upgraded interior. And don't forget about the Passat!! Mitsubishi used to make a family car, too... what was it called...Gallo... Galant, yea thats it.?
~alpha
PS-I really like the idea of the V6 manual coupe, and I personally like the styling- the sedan, from the pics, however, is a**-ugly.

fredvh

Thanks cajun626 for correcting me. I got my information from "Edmunds New Vehicle Overview". I assumed, wrongly so, that the model specs given by "Edmunds" were accurate but obviously "Edmunds" is not always correct. Thanks again and to masic: I apologize for misstating the facts.

diploid

OK, just read through all the new posts since I was last here. Two of them state 240hp- where are you guys getting this from???

ickes_mobile

diploid

bodydouble

You guys really don't think the Accord will get 240hp? Personally I would expect 220 to put it just under the TL but you know what they say --- where there is smoke there is fire (or an ansonist!)

alpha01

Do your "wildest dreams" really involve Honda Accords? Probably not.
lol.
~alpha

beachnut

... but interesting nonetheless. See my post #4300.

yugoboy

It was hard to tell from the vtec photo's exactly what the accord looked like, now there is no doubt in my mind, the 2003 is god awful from the autoweek pictures, i dont even want to get into how bad the coupe looks!!!!! I'll stick with my trusty 2002 infiniti g20!!!! Now there is a sleek little JAPanese sedan!!!!!!

jrct9454

...the G20 looks better than the new Accord? That is indeed worthy of a good hoot. More proof that this is all in the eyes of the beholder, to say the very least.

Also more proof as to why styling in this segment is so relatively unimportant - if the G20 is a benchmark, why should Honda worry?

On the hp question, all I know is that the V6 hp figure that keeps coming up in all magazine discussions is indeed 240. You are all assuming, of course, that the Acuras will somehow stand still on this topic - don't bet on it. 260 and up is easily achievable with premium fuel and slightly tweaked timing. As usual, competition is good, and at the moment, the Altima is driving everyone up the hp ladder.

diploid

I just find it very un-Honda to up the power so much in a redesign.

But I guess Acura is indeed pumping up horsepower to balance that. All the latest rumors concerning the MDX's increase in displacement (from 3.5 to 3.8) says output will most likely be 270hp (up from 240hp).

alpha- My wildest dreams DO include Accords...along with other things.

bodydouble

for the MDX and Pilot would be good. I test drove the Pilot and my seat-of-the-pants assessment is that it needs another 25 ponies.

diploid

But all this horsepower increases...at this rate, in about 10 years, we'll be driving around in sedans with 500hp if this doesn't stop.

strager

getting to be full size boats, IMO. I'm looking forward to Honda starting a new trend: instead of each generation being "slightly longer, wider, and roomier", I'd rather that they be " slightly shorter, narrower, and roomier".

The increasing size will only increase the age of the Accord buyer, I think. Younger people want something trim and athletic looking, maybe the upcoming Acura UD or European Accord will be that way.

bodydouble

Honda tried that already -- with the '94 - '97 Accord. I recall that was the focus of the marketing at that time. But that generation of Accord was not well-received relatively speaking.
America is still on a bigger-is-better mindset. That's why we are seeing all these bulked up sedans.

csandste

styling wise and be hard pressed to tell which one was newer than the others. Honda and Toyota seem to be in a race for decontenting and boredom (actually the latest gen. Corolla and Camry seem to have substituted ugly for decontenting and boredom ).

Think of how cutting edge the late eighties (retract. headlight) Accord was and look at the new one. BOOORRRRIIINNNNGGG, and yet it'll continue to beat the hell out of the new Mazda 6 and Altima/Maxima when it comes to sales. Go figger...

diploid

I look at the last gen. Camry and still wonder why so many people bought them. I mean, the '98 Accord in our driveway is no Ferrari look-alike, but it (IMO) was more interesting to look at than the Camry. Some people like the Camry because of its smooth ride. I like the Accord for its perfect balance of smooth ride without taking away the feel of the road. I'm just one of those guys who would like to know that I'm running over potholes, as opposed to floating over them without knowing it.

bodydouble

if you run over someone, you don't want to compound your trouble by a hit-and-run charge
Seriously though, csandste is right. I'm not sure about the last FOUR generations of Accord, but certainly, styling-wise, you could flip-flop the '03 with the current generation and it would still look like a natural progression or evolution. In fact, it may look like a MORE natural progression since the '03 bears some resemblance to the 5th generation.

stoli25

Why Toyota and Honda are becoming like Buick Regal/Century???
02 Camry/03 Accord = Japanese Buick

btw:
just got back from Europe, and their hondas look much better than ours

venus537

i don't think you guys should disagree with whotheman. it's well known that if whotheman doesn't like the styling of a new car it will suffer mightly in the marketplace.

ickes_mobile

The '98-'02 car has the same "hardpoints" as the '93-'97 car, meaning the two are pretty close in dimensions. I had read a column at Ward's with some Honda engineering person saying that the same would be true for the new '03 car. It enables them to build the car without massive re-tooling costs. However, I think the new car looks a lot longer than the 98-02. Clearly, the trend is to make cars roomier by going up. Witness the Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Avalon, Toyota Camry, Ford 500, and most likely the new Accord...

dudleyr

The car I think will be nice is the rumored European Accord being sold as an entry level Acura. It will probably look better than the Accord.

I don't hate the looks of the new Accord, and they wouldn't keep me from buying it, but it is not nearly as nice looking as the above mentioned G-20(nor is any recent Accord, 86-89 is my favorite, especially when taken in context with what was available at the time).