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  • bmw323isbmw323is Posts: 410
    Do you have a spouse or child with a unusual sense of humor? I remember years ago when I helped my brother pick up his first TV with remote control. The guy at the TV store let me borrow a second remote for the same TV. I put the second remote in my pocket. When my brother turned on the TV, I turned it off. Then when he tried to change channels, so did I. It was great fun for a while, but I had to come clean just before he was ready to put his foot through the picture tube. That's what brothers are for - right?
  • msealsmseals Posts: 257
    I have had a similar situation. Do you ever put your keys in your pocket with other stuff or other keys attached to a key change. I found that one of my other keys was pressing against the unlock button and caused all the doors to unlock. I heard the audible signal from the house and realized that I had just unlocked the car. It happened when I sat down. It is possible that if you have keys or cell phone or anything else in your pockets at the time your key is in there, it could press against the key long enough to activate the comfort feature and roll the windows down and open the moonroof.
  • We have a kalahari beige 2002 530i. It does not show dirt and even the wheels do not look as bad from the brake pad dust as they do with other colors. The best part is the hint of exclusivity.

    The car was delivered in Munich. When we entered the garage area our car was to the left and angled towards the open area of the garage. Every other car there was some shade of silver and parked perpendicular to the walls. The experience was like a waiter lifting the cover off a dinner tray. I'm sure they move cars around, but others were taking delivery at the same time. People were also walking around and looking at our car and not the others. I also heard someone say they did not know BMW had that color.

    The lady who went over our vehicle said she has been there when every car in the garage was silver and she had to press the key to find the car she was presenting.

    Otherwise the sand floor carpets show dirt very easily, but I bought dark brown floor mats before the car was delivered here. The brown matches the stripe in the seat belts and complements the rest of the interior. We now have 3 sets of floor mats, the brown we are using, the European sand mats and a bagged set delivered with the car.

    I love the color, I love the car, but you really should get silver or black.
  • buy silver or black? Do you want to remain that exclusive that you don't want to share a nice color with others? :-)

    on a serious note, why?

  • dzubadzuba Posts: 159
    I would like to check out the Beige with a black interior - that sounds sharp!!

    My wife drives a New Honday Odyssey - Silver - so I need another color!!

    The Khalahari Beige car I came across also had the light interior - I want a black interior!
  • jstylejstyle Posts: 129
    Here is the best look at the next car. A friend saw one at a petrol station in Austria and told me these are right on. I think I'd run out and buy the current model if I were looking.
  • The silver or black comment was intended to be a little facetious.

    I have seen a black interior with kalahari beige, actually the dealer had two side by side, one black interior, one sand. The darker interior gave the car a somewhat orchid caste and the sand tends to push more to a gold.
  • jhox85jhox85 Posts: 35
    Are you talking about actually grabbing the plastic cover on the clown nose and turning it? Which direction and how much to turn?
  • Sorry, didn't get the sarcasm. I was beginning to think that you were regretting your choice of colors exterior/interior. I was a bit puzzled since I saw the kalahari beige on sand and I thought it was quite attractive and as a plus it was a very different color which in my personal opinion is a big plus. I didn't think that a kalahari beige/black would exist. I don't think I would like that combination especially in So. Cal. where the black interior would get quite hot.
  • counterclockwise, towards passenger seat.
  • pap5pap5 Posts: 144
    Just read your harrowing account -- sounds painful and inconvenient. Glad to hear you're back on your feet (one of them anyway) and you'll be regaling us once more. Good luck on a complete recovery.

    Many years ago, I had a very minor-league version of the same thing happen to me. I fractured and severely sprained my right ankle while playing basketball. Embarassing to say, it was a non-contact injury -- my klutzy self tried to cut, but my foot remained firmly planted. A month in a cast followed by a few weeks heavily taped, all the while on crutches. Once the cast came off, I found I could loosely pull a sneaker sans laces onto my foot, throw the crutches behind the seats of my Triumph, and launch myself semi-smoothly down the road. If I had needed to panic stop, I told myself I would brake with my left foot and not worry about declutching and killing the engine. Fortunately, I never had to test whether my feet would obey my conscious mind or my reflexes.

    Again, great to have you back.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Thanks for the thoughts. ;-)

    Playing basketball was actually how I broke my first leg (the left one, 28 years ago), so I know from whence you speak. ;-)

    I am already lobbying my Orthopedic Sturgeon to put me in a removable walking cast/boot arrangement on 20-Feb so that I can start Physical Therapy as soon as possible thereafter. Unfortunately, there is rumor around here (here being the company that I am working with on my Mouse project) that we will need to go back to the factory in Taipei the very next week. Grrrr, well, I’ll get to the PT sooner or later.

    Best Regards,
  • mseals: I think you are right: I have other keys on my key ring and it seems likely that I've activated the comfort feature by accident when sitting down to put on my shoes (with keys in pants pocket of course). Thanks for suggesting a plausible explanation.

    bmw323is: No, no children here, no devilish siblings such as yourself ;-) and my girlfriend wouldn't do such a thing (she's afraid to breathe on the car!). I had started to suspect our cat that lives in the garage. He is a very smart cat, but not THAT smart...Thanks for the story about your bro and his TV; pretty funny!
  • I am about to buy 530, 5spd. In the past I would keep my cars for about 5 - 7 years. Does anyone know how these cars hold up over more years?
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    As I don't own a 530i I'd suggest a couple of things. Do some research and base your conclusion on the research. Consumer Reports has consistently top-rated the reliability of the 530i. Consult other magazines that may have a long-term 5 series project. Search JD Powers.

    Given the fact the BMW manufacters many, many cars, would suspect a few things.

    1. there are some absolutely rock-solid vehicles,
    2. there a bunch of lemons
    3. the majority are in the middle ground.

    It's my opinion, however comforting or disquieting having people tell their anecdotal stories about their 530i - given the vast number of 5 series out there, won't be enough information for you to draw a conclusion about whether your 530i will be a winner or loser.

    If it were me I would put the reliability of the 530i up against any top Japanese manufacturer.

    Good luck in your decision and keep the forum posted.
  • dabimmerdabimmer Posts: 165
    Sometime ago I went down to the garage to take my wife's Honda Civic out and the doors were locked and I never lock the car when in the garage. I was at a loss to explain it, when it happened again soon thereafter, I decided to investigate. I discovered that the key in my pocket activated the lock signal when I bent over to sit down. I then left the key on a hanger for several days away from the pocket and,lo and behold NO More Locked Door !! Imagine my surprise when I went down to get in the bimmer and like you, all my windows were down and the roof open, what was going on here?? I surmised that the key in pocket was the culprit and hung it up as well and NO such surprises again. Shortly after that incident, the key again in pocket the alarm went off in the garage. Then door lock was activated just previously in the pocket and then in quick succession the trunk was activated open thus signalling the motion sensor, too bizarre !
  • bigrobnhbigrobnh Posts: 114
    I won't trespass long on your forum. I own a E320 4Matic and lurk here to stay abreast of BMW happenings.

    1) I would like to express my concerns about your accident and wishes for a speedy recovery. It may not have been entirely your fault which is something to consider. They have a feduciary responsibility to maintain safe ingress/egress...especicially considering the business they're in.

    2) your comments regarding snow tires are right on. As a life long resident of New England and current resident of NH, I have plenty of experience with this topic. If you live in a region of the country that actually experiences winter (I'm not talking NC where 2 inches paralyze the state), you need snows. Period. Anybody that feels that Traction Control and All seasons will suffice (either RWD OR FWD) is sorely mistaken. Wife and I both drive AWD vehicles so that we can always make it home. Both my 4matic and her Subaru Legacy are shod in snows from the end of October to beginning of March. My neighbor drives a Seville STS (FWD and Traction control). He doesn't use snows. Every snow storm over 4 inches his car is parked at the bottom of his driveway as he can't even get up to his garage.

  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Thanks for the thoughts. ;-)

    Prior to experiencing the difference using the Arctic-Alpins, I was clearly one of those who figured that good All-Season rubber was most likely good enough for most places, after all, I grew up in Michigan, and the stuff we used to drive around on probably had less traction than the Pilot-Primacys that came on my 530i. That said, now that I have taken the plunge, I am totally sold on the “Winter tire thing.”

    I don’t know if “Trespassing” is the right word for it. ;-) I remember your posts both here and in the E-Class discussion as well, and they have always been constructive and respectful. To me at least, a true “Trespasser” is equivalent to a “Troll”, and that you are decidedly not. ;-)

    I remember last summer, while my move to NH was still in the works, that you cautioned me on the quality of some of the dealerships around here. Fortunately, so far at least, the service department at Tully BMW over in Nashua has been exemplary. Last fall, my wife “Curbed” my 530i by pulling far enough into a parking space at her office to push the front bumper over the curb stone. She then compounded the problem by backing out and partially removing the front bumper, ouch! When I took my car in, they scheduled me for the repair (which turned out to be fairly painless at about $300), and then they asked if I had anything else that needed doing. I told them that my previous dealership back in NJ had upgraded the engine control software, and the throttle response changed just enough to make driving a stick shift tricky, as in not stalling it when accelerating from a dead stop. On the spot, they took my car in, upgraded the software with the (then) latest code (two days old at the time) and sent me on my way.

    Interesting side note, I took a quick test drive with the technician both before and after the software upgrade to see if we could sense any difference (it was like night and day), and he commented that my car “Felt awfully fast for a 530i.”

    I said, “Could it feel faster to you because mine is a 5-Speed?”

    His response was, “I drive LOTS of 5-Series cars every day, both manual and automatic, and this one feels like it is in 540 territory. By the way, you had better slow down; the police like to stake out this curve we are approaching.”

    The only possible thing I could say to that was, “Cool!” ;-)

    Best Regards,
  • hnnhnn Posts: 34
    Shipo, what is the version of software for the engine control software that you mentioned above?

    Will the dealer charge me for this upgrade?

    btw- just have my 530i oil change after a year. No indicator light turned on yet.

    Thanks. Hnn
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Hmmm, I don't think they told me which version. They just said that they had received it just a couple of days prior to my visit, and in it went. If I had to guess (I cannot remember the actual date of my visit), the date of the code was late September 2002 or sometime in October 2002.

    Will the dealer charge you? I suspect that this is a warranty issue, as I was not charged when they upgraded my code.

    Best Regards,
  • Anybody read the Magnificent (comparison) article in the March issue of C&D. The review pits the 530iA (sport) against the S-type 3.0, LS V-8, M45, GS300, A6 2.7T & the E320. The Mercedes won by 1-point. While the BMW came in 2nd place. Not bad for a car that is at the end of its production run.

  • snagielsnagiel Posts: 750
    Shoot, I haven't gotten mine yet. Properly equipped (i.e. with a manual), I wonder if the sagacious C&D editors would have given the nod to the 530 instead (since M-B continues to ignore this important performance feature).
  • Having the manual might have made a difference but they were critical of other areas. Namely the age of the cockpit, decline in ride quality and cabin size (being too small). According to their tests the slushbox equipped 530i obtained a 0-60 time of 6.7 sec and 5-60 street time of 6.9 sec (only bettered by the V8 powered M45). The biggest hit was in the value rating, being a 7 in a scale of 1-10. The MSRP price was around $51k. The highest was M-B at $54k. The others were around $45k. To me the pricing is at the extreme end for a 530i. Most models with the Steptronic and other common options would be around $47k.

    By the way we just received another 4 inches of snow up here in NH. I have had enough of Winter.

  • pen101pen101 Posts: 238
    First oil change at the dealer. My 530i is 13 months old with about 14K miles. One indicator lamp was still lit when I took the car in.

    Here is my experience:
    - Service writer explained why I should give him a 5 rating when the service evaluation call is made in a few days
    - oil change indicator was reset
    - I wanted the day time running lights activated. He said it would have been no charge if I purchased the car from this dealership, but because I did not it would cost $125. I said no thank you.
    - when I got the car back, it was washed and armoraled
    - when I looked at the paperwork, tire pressure was incorrectly set at 36 psi all way around (should be 33/41 per door jam label). Service writer immediately corrected it after I pointed it out to him and complimented me on being so careful with my BMW
    - I noticed that they changed the license plate frames to the dealer frames both front and back (my old ones were put in the trunk. They had the original BMW dealership name on them)
    - If I had read shipo's post about the software upgrade before I went to the dealer, I would have inquired about it. I think I will call the dealer tomorrow and ask about it.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    You live in NH too? Where abouts? We got somewhere in the neighborhood of four to six inches of snow here too. Unfortunately, when I got home yesterday, the snow plow had plowed a thirty inch high, forty eight inch thick berm across the mouth of my driveway. I had to park on the street and negotiate the berm on crutches while trying (unsuccessfully) to keep my cast dry and then down my driveway for 150 feet or so (with ice under the snow) just to get to the house. I really love snow and winter, that said, I wish the snow would just hold off until I get this #&%@$$*^ cast off.

    Unfortunately, the guy who plowed my driveway yesterday (he seems to have an uncanny knack for predicting the weather) said that he suspects that “We haven’t even seen the worst of the snow yet.” Hmmm, just 12 more days to a walking cast.

    Meanwhile (staying on topic), my wife had absolutely no problem driving my Artic-Alpin equipped 530i home from the Boston area yesterday, and they had an easy six inches of slush and snowy stuff on the side streets where she works.

    Best Regards,
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Are you having throttle problems as well? The bad software (I will call it Mark II) that was programmed into my car following my ED experience (when I had the trouble free Mark I software) gave my car a jerky “On-Throttle” transition, which is very difficult to deal with when you have a clutch. The problem would make itself most apparent either accelerating from a dead stop, or when transitioning from little/no throttle (as in negotiating a down-hill freeway ramp with a mean kink in the middle) to say 50% throttle (same ramp, same kink, but the hill bottoms out half way through the kink). With the Mark III software, about 90% of the ill manners of the Mark II version have been exorcised, that said, folks not familiar with my car are still inclined to stall it when accelerating from a dead stop.

    Best Regards,
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    If you look over the Editor's Rating Chart, you'll see that the 3rd place $44,835 Audi A6 2.7T Quattro, 1st place $54,020 MB E320 (w/Sport Pkg), and 2nd place $51,170 BMW 530iA (w/Sport Pkg) each won 7 of the 12 individual criteria. But the overall score is NOT the sum of the individual points. For example, C&D said that the Audi, BMW, MB and Lexus GS300 each tied for best "driver comfort". They rated the BMW and Audi as tied for best in 5 criteria and the BMW and MB tied for best in 4 criteria.

    The 530ia outright won brakes. (The Audi won outright for value. The MB didn't win any criteria outright; all of its wins were ties.) The 530ia then tied for best with at least one other car in transmission, handling, driver comfort, ergonomics, fit & finish, and fun to drive.

    As always, one could carp about a few things. Why give the 530ia the best score for "ergonomics" and then pan it for "dated dash"? I think the dash is fantastic in my '98 540i6. But at least they were fair and gave both it and the MB a "7" for value (with only the Lincoln LS V-8 and Jaguar S-type 3.0 scoring below that on this criteria, "5" & "6" respectively).

    Their 530ia went 0-60 mph in 6.7 seconds, ran the 1/4 mile in 15.3 seconds (93 mph), was top speed governed to 125 mph, braked 70-0 mph in 175 feet, pulled .82g on skidpad, and twisted thru the emergency-lane-change maneuver at 61.3 mph. Not too shabby for a car that came out in CY 1996 as a MY 1997!!!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "Not too shabby for a car that came out in CY 1996 as a MY 1997!!!"

    I hear you on that; I am continually amazed at how well the E39 has aged. I have been following cars fairly religiously for well over 30 years, and I have no recollection of ANY car ever coming close to the current 5-Series at being a viable (if not still class leading) competitor in its eight year (and depending upon who you listen to, there might even be a partial ninth year) of production. Couple that with the fact that the 5-Series is still selling (in terms of unit volume) at or near its record sales level, and know that BMW is REALLY going to have to pull out all stops to top this one. I really hope they do. ;-)

    Best Regards,
  • Chris While I am not on crutches, I know what you mean when talking about the plow guy. I also have a long driveway, 160’ long. This last storm I was fortunate to be working out of my home-office therefore I did not face the obstacle of either the ‘wall of snow’ or the unplowed driveway. Also I agree with your earlier statement regarding dedicated snow tires. Back in November I purchased a set of Blizzark’s (WS-50). What a difference it made in driving in the nasty stuff.

    Shipo, I am very familiar with your area as I live in the next town over, being Salem. Let me offer you a belated ‘Welcome to NH’. By the way I believe this has been the worst winter in almost 7 years of living here.

    Now I’m off to ski country.

    Have a good weekend,
  • jeffryjeffry Posts: 36
    Yes, guys, great to see our ride still doing well 'after all these years'! But what's this, on the lane change maneuver in C&D's May 2000 issue they got 64.1 mph in the 528i and now only 61.3 mph??
       Both sport suspension but the 528 had Dunlop Sport 2000 ZR & the 530, Michelin Pilot Primacy YR both 235/45-17. Is there that much difference between the brands?
        By the way, how many miles are most people getting from the 'summer tires' as compared to the M&S? Probably hard to compare tho the tread wear rating differs, likely those w/ ZR press it in curves & freeway ramps & ones w/ standard suspension wouldn't.
        I'm considering Euro delivery on a 2004 and still struggle w/ the suspension question (SP or not)--tire cost & wear as well as ride quality all important concerns.
        Always great info here, thanks for your well informed and considered responses.
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