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Toyota Camry 2006 and earlier



  • what kind of cash back? what is SET? what states are for cash back/apr?
  • Are there many of you that have an '03 Camry V6??

    My gripe is that I recently was shopping for a new car. I've always had V6 and just did not want a 4 cylinder. So I went to my local Toyota dealer wanting to test drive a V6 Camry, and all they had were 4 cyl. I did test drive a 4 cyl. but it just did not have "power" and the salesman checked to see when any V6's were to arrive and no one could answer that. Is there something wrong with the V6 Camry's?

    Needless to say, you know where I ended my shopping at.
  • I think they are waiting for the new v6
  • Wait for the 210 HP V6 6 speed auto with VVti coming in March 2003. This engine is from the current ES300 which will be replaced by 3.3l engine. Insider news.
  • Another reason for this is that the GREAT majority of Camry buyers only want/need the 4cyl engine. I don't know the actual numbers, but my guess would be somewhere to the tune of 90% of Camry's that are sold/built are 4cyl models.
  • Mobil 1 synthetic oil can be purchased for about $4.00 at most auto supply stores. 5 Quarts would be $20.00. A toyota filter is about $4.00. If you change your oil using both every 5000 miles you can be sure of a long trouble free engine.
  • ...for recent posts on oil changes and octane.

    Today I received a packet from Toyota Financial Services with certificates that cover the cost of my first three scheduled maintenances -- oil change, lub, fluid check, etc. This was part of my sales deal -- a nice perq. The cover letter tells me to use a 5,000-mile interval for this service. This is the fifth recommendation on service interval I've gotten from someone connected with Toyota since buying the car (see my post #4898).

    So, based on all that and the very welcome advice from alpha01, xbbuster, cliffy1, and toyotaken, it looks like a range from 3,000 to 5,000 is the most popular choice. I respect cliffy1's point of view and agree that money spent on regular maintenance will pay off in the long run. I think I'll take it in for the first service at 3,000 and see what my service manager says. I may wind up edging toward 4,000, but that will probably be tops with me.

    I wish I could get 91 octane gas. Pumps in my area are 87, 89, and 93, so I'm going with 93 for now.

    I read with interest about the problems with rattles some Camry owners are having, and the news release from Toyota saying their engineers have solved the problem. So far, my car is tight as a drum. That's a three-week perspective -- hope it holds true over the long run.

    One of the things I especially like about this car is its sense of roominess, at least relative to today's standards. I'm a middle-aged fellow who drove many cars that were average size in the 1960s and that would be absolute cruise ships by today's standards (a 1965 Pontiac Catalina, for example). Many of today's cars are just too small for me. So the Camry, while still small when compared with cars of my youth, does a nice job of maximizing its dimensions and giving me room to stretch out. Nice job, Toyota.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 854
    Congratulations on your new Camry. I have a solution for your octane problem. When you go to fill up, put in half of what you need with 93 octane and the other half use 89. There is nothing wrong with mixing the different types. I used to do that with my motorcycle when they still made leaded gas(low octane). I would use half no-lead premium and half regular leaded. Before I would fill up I would go inside and tell the salesclerk what I was doing. On some pumps you cannot get two different products without paying for the one first. Now, with pumps that take credit cards you can just make two transactions. It might sound like a little work but it is a viable solution.
  • Having just gone thru my first outing in the snow I just noticed my 2002 LE does not appear to have heated outside mirrors. I guess I took this for granted on my old Merc; the mirrors were defrosted anytime you switched to defrost mode. Is this an available Camry option...perhaps I missed the boat.

    Also, I did not get anti-lock brakes mostly because traction control was not available. Was or is this an option?
  • My Toyota Dealer couldn't provide what I wanted, not even a clue as to when they would arrive, and would not even offer to locate what I I went to my local Nissan Dealer. Nuff said.
  • Nuff said? Not quite. You can't compare any Nissan sedan to the Camry. Different cars for different tastes. I would've went to another Toyota dealer personally before I settled for anything Nissan is selling right now. If you are happy with your deal then you didn't want a Camry in the first place.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    They will be in short supply VERY soon. The V6 is already difficult to find because they stopped building them a month ago to prepare for the new VVT-i version. Here in the Central Atlantic Region, we will be getting no Camrys allocated until the middle of January and we didn't get any on our last allocation. That means no new Camrys on our lot from the middle of December until the early part of February. What is here now is all there is for a while.
  • You are right. But I wanted to give another make the benefit of my doubt. But wasn't sold. Toyota makes a great vehicle, but the Camry just didn't cut the cake, or at least the 4 cyl. didn't. We test drove it on a highway at 50 mph and then punched it for passing power, and laughed. Took it back to the dealer and left shaking our heads. As soon as we got in the Maxima, we knew we had completed our search.

    Sorry! Happy trailing........
  • a 4 cylinder Camry doesn't have as much passing power as a 255HP Maxima. Go figure. I bet the alot of people who looked at the Maxima laughed at the "2 wheels on a broomstick" suspension.
  • Interesting idea on mixing 93 and 89 octane to get 91. I'll probably just stick with 93 for now, but at least I have an option. Tbanks.
  • I'm sorry you feel that way about the Maxima. However, this is a Toyota Camry discussion. I was just stating that my dealer couldn't provide what I WANTED....a V6, so I moved on.

    Broomstick?? Not sure exactly what you mean, and it doesn't really matter. I have the car I was truly meant to have. And I'm sure you do too.

    Even though you have a very bad attitude, Happy New Year to you. :)
  • Ok. The broomstick comment is made because the Maxima/I30 are the only cars in their class to use the out-dated and inferior rear axle suspension. It's a bar with 2 wheels on it and not ideal for a car Nissan wants to market as a sports sedan.

    And if you only wanted to comment on the availability of the Camry you could've left it at "my dealer couldn't find a V6" instead of commenting on the Camrys lack of power as opposed to a car with 100 more HP.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    I think he is responding to your comment "I was just stating that my dealer couldn't provide what I WANTED....a V6, so I moved on." You stated that you didn't want the Toyota anyway and were just looking to confirm your decision to buy a Nissan. That's fine but you make it sound like Toyota's fault for not clamoring for your business. You weren't buying anyway, yet you felt compelled to chide us here.
  • But I needed to test drive a V6 to do my comparison. So as it turns out, there were no comparisons. I shall move on and venture back to my neighborhood and leave you all alone. Thanks.
  • vadpvadp Posts: 1,025
    You looked at the Camry and bought the Maxima intstead?

    Shame on you. You must be blind. LOL.

    Take it easy and don't get offended by the comments. They are just being hardcore Camry fans.;)

    Happy New Year to you too!
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Referring to a post from before that Nissan femme blantantly insulted the Camry and compared it to car with 100 more hp and about a 5 grand higher price tag, I read that the percentage of Camry V6 models is around 20 percent. My apologies that I cannot cite where I read this- I just recall seeing it somewhere. Cliffy- any thoughts as to this proportion of V6s and 4s? I must say that with this redesign, I feel like I've seen more V6 models than the previous generations- especially XLE V6s.
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    I, for one, didn't think you came into this forum with an attitude, unlike some others here. Lighten up people!!!
    Happy New Year to everyone and let's remember our manners for the new year!!

    The Sandman :-)
  • Hi all,

           In the demo drive we took of the Camry

    LE auto, we found that the doors lock

    automatically when the car is put in drive. My

    wife doesnt like this feature. Does anyone know

    if and how this can be disabled?



  • drmpdrmp Posts: 187
    Between the two, I would choose the 5 speed automatic transmission. You wouldn't usually feel the power of vvti unless you race your engine all the time. VVTI maintains torque to the upper rev range but has same torque at lower rev range. A 5 speed is more useful especially when passing cars on the highway (50-70 mph) in a relaxed manner.
  • I bought a XLE V6 which I love to drive. However, I am wondering if anyone can answer in a civilized way the following questions.
    1) I read that timing chains are much better and stronger, not to mention doesn't require replacement. Why did Toyota continue to use a timing belt in the 2002 Camry? Was it just a matter a saving money?

    2) I heard that the Double wishbone suspension system was superior to the Chapman suspension system used by Camrys. Do you think the decision to use Chapmans (an older technology) was again a cost saving issue?
  • talon95talon95 Posts: 1,110
    I don't know about the timing chain vs. belt question, but regarding the suspension question, I suspect that the Chapman struts in the rear are considered by Toyota to be a cost effective design, and the best choice for use in a family sedan like the Camry.

    Double wishbone suspensions are desirable due to their potentially superior handling characteristics as compared to struts. This is because they excel at camber control, which means that it keeps the wheel perpendicular to the road surface while it moves up and down. For handling, this is a good thing.

    Another advantage of double wishbone suspensions is that they require less height than a comparable strut suspension, so lower designs are possible... probably more important to sports car designers.

    The main disadvantage of double wishbone suspensions is cost... they have a lot more parts than a strut suspension.

    Struts are comparatively inexpensive and compact, although they tend to be tall. Despite the disadvantages as compared to a double wishbone suspension, a well-designed strut suspension can provide very good handling.

    Of course, the handling advantages of a double wishbone suspension are potential... it ultimately depends on a lot of factors. In the Camry's class, the Honda Accord has a double wishbone suspension, and is generally considered to be a somewhat more nimble handler, with a touch more ride harshness. The Camry is tuned more toward a smooth ride, but it remains a competent handler as well.

    However, the Hyundai Sonata uses a double wishbone suspension and is considered to be a below average handler. OTOH, the Nissan Altima uses struts and is considered to be one of the best handling cars in its class. And finally, BMW uses struts in cars that many people consider to be among the best handling production automobiles regardless of manufacturer. So it's more than just the choice of suspension types... it's also a matter of the design choices made by the manufacturer.

    As for the Camry, its strut-based suspension is an appropriate choice for its intended mission... comfortable ride and competent handling. No need for double wishbones here.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Timing belts make for a more quite engine. Chains are not "superior" other than the fact that they last twice as long. The down side is, they cost triple to replace.

    The McPherson strut on the Camry is generally smoother riding than a double wishbone.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Thanks for a very informative, excellent post. Post more often!
  • vadpvadp Posts: 1,025

    The timing belt gathered a lot of interest by automotive engine designers 20 years ago.

    The Japanese were the first to drive their camshafts with these timing belts. Then other manufacturers followed suit.

    Some did not.

    Saturn decided that they would not adopt a belt and utilized a chain in their initial entry to the automotive market. They continue this decision and advertise the advantages of the chain timing drive.

    Jaguar never gave in to the new technology.

    Take a look at what auto manufacturers a bragging about today.

    "Chain Drive"! Subaru has changed from belt to chain, Porsche has made the switch back to chain, .....

    Why has the automotive industry changed the trend?

    Because chain is a trouble free product.

    Have you ever seen a timing chain replacement as a scheduled maintenance on a car?

    All belt drives require scheduled replacement with potentially expensive consequences if you do not heed their recommendations.

    What about noise?

    Several years ago when we developed the original PDQ (Super Quiet) operator, we did most of our noise testing from the space over the garage. Isn't this where most people want quiet?

    We found that the harmonic motor and drive train vibrations caused nearly all of the noise. Chain noise was not transmitted to the space over the garage.

    How many people are worried about the noise in the garage? Everyone wants reliability.

  • cliffy1cliffy1 Posts: 3,581
    Timing chains do eventually need replaced. The Toyota manual calls for "inspection" at 120K miles. The chains are two to three times more expensive to replace. Ask your repair shop.
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