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  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    I inquired about the 18 " wheels before I bought and had a salesman that talked me out of it. Maybe he wasn't familiar with the Pirelli Zero Nero tires. My RL has 11,800 miles on it now and the updates have it running absolutely perfect! By far the best car I have ever owned.

    OK Hoosier...by the way "GO BADGERS"...they play Illinois this weekend! :-) I know Hendjaz... you're just waiting to get back to the hoops season.
  • Yes, I just settled on the redwood steering wheel. Now that I am use to it, it blends in well.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    On the Luxury/Performance thread someone just posted CR's reliability data derived from 1 million readers this year. As I recall, RL rated "average" in reliability apparently.
  • hendjazhendjaz Posts: 155
    That information you relayed on reliabilty and CR is not correct I am a CR subscriber and an RL owner and driver for over a year now. Reliability at CR is rated as "good" and it gets the CR check mark for "recommended". As you may know, CR does not recommend a car if it is not reliable. After a year, my 05 RL is perfectly reliable and wonderful to drive. There is nothing in today's market that I would choose over this car.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    The CR reliability figures I'm referring to have just been released for the '05 model year. As a CR subscriber you will receive this with the December '05 annual issue (the book). So, what you have as a subscriber now is the reliability figures for the RL for 2004 and earlier, not the current model. CR does recommend models that have average reliability ratings, by the way, but not those below average or poor. So the '05 will still be recommended by CR in their annual auto issue next April (though as you know, they weren't thrilled with it in their most recent test).
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    CR rates the '05 RL as average - that is good! CR uses a 5 "star" rating system and the new RL got a 3. The new GS and M got a 5. As far as recommended goes CR will recommend all high scoring cars wilh a rating of 3 or up. Thus the '05 RL had good scores and a reliability of 3 and is Recommended
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    msu: "Average" reliability for a Japanese car is surprisingly low. Cars from Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc. normally rank at the top in reliability. Significantly, the '04 Acura TL also ranked only average in reliability. Is Acura slipping? If you compare the problems board for the RL with the problems board for the new GS, you'll see a remarkable difference. In fact, the problems board for the new GS hardly exists. There aren't more than a handful of complaints/problems. For Lexus, production starting with Job 1 is virtually perfect.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    I know you own a Porsche 911 and I believe you are interested in Acura. Would you let the CR ratings determine your final decision in buying a car or would you go with your heart?
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    Hi, jj,

    I am interested in Acura (the TL and RL), as well as the Lexus GS300 and BMW 330i. I must tell you that CR's tests and reliability data do influence my buying decisions. Example: If it were my heart speaking, I would buy the "ultimate driving machine" (BMW 330). But the reliability of the BMWs and the cost of repairs (after 4 years) has pretty much put the kebosh on that (especially a new model). In the abstract, I would also like to buy a GM or Ford product (for patriotic reasons, if nothing more), but the poor reliability of American cars, reported over the years by CR, has turned me off. I can't be in the charity business with my car purchases, but what's happening to the U.S. auto industry is tragic for American workers and the entire midwest region. I am obviously impressed, as is everybody, with the reliability of Honda, Toyota, and Lexus, but I must admit I'm a bit mystified (and concerned) by the only "average" reliability of Acura's recent TL and RL. I am curious to see if the reliability of the '05 TL has improved, and I would bet it has. I can't imagine Acura not correcting the problems that arose on the new '04 model. On the other hand, I am not a slave to CR ratings. CR panned the GS300, and on that I think they are completely off base.
  • Would you let the CR ratings determine your final decision in buying a car or would you go with your heart?

    I have said many times that there is no such thing as a perfect car. Therefore ALL car buying decisions involve a compromise between what the buyer NEEDS, what they WANT, and what they can AFFORD. Lets face it in our affluent society most of us want and desire much more than we really need, yet we all must yield to the budget at some point. And that is where Reliability Ratings play a major part for a lot of us.

    I'm sorry but I can't afford to pay needlessly extra for an unreliable car; I do not care how many "thrills" it may provide when it is working. My heart can't take the frustration and aggravation of having my expensive car in the shop at the rates some of these so-called "fine luxury" autos apparantly need to be there :blush:
  • calhoncalhon Posts: 87
    You have a very low tolerance for reliability issues, and that's okay. Still, I suggest you make sure your decisions are based on absolute reliability; not whether the model is above or below average.

    Keep in mind that the CR average is for a each model year and reliability has been increasing steadily for decades. Cars CR rates this year as "average" are equivalent in absolute terms to the ones rated "above average" 10 years ago.

    Similarly, some cars rated "below average" this year have the same absolute reliability as others rated "above average" 10 years ago. Average reliability will soon be at the level of the current Honda Accord -- a model most people consider very reliable now and 10 years ago when it was less reliable than it is today.

    Other things equal, higher reliability is obviously better; but other things are rarely equal in the real world. So, be careful not to chase diminishing reliability returns at the expense of other priorities.
  • You have a very low tolerance for reliability issues, and that's okay.

    Interesting how folks judge people :confuse: From what I can gather some people could care less about reliability, all that matters is the heart passion. Others appear to crave reliabilty above all else; for some reason you think that is me :confuse: Others, myself included, look at what I need in a car (seats, space, featuures, etc), what I want/desire (more luxury and bells and whistles that I really need :blush: ),and what I can afford. I can get more bells and whistles for my money if I choose reliable over troublesome. For most of us I suspect, our decisions are a compromise that best meets ALL our criteria. :shades:
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Hey Bartalk, I too like the BMW 330 and did give it some consideration before buying the RL. One reason for hesitating on the BMW is....My son drives an (out of warranty) M3 and my wife or I have followed him over to his service department many times to give him a ride to work while they service his car. He is extremely fussy about that car and drives responsibly so I think it definately is a reliability issue with the car. (We are retired and don't mind giving him a ride.) Bottom line on CR as far as I am concerned about my RL....I have a great car and as much as anyone would like to hear otherwise I basically ignore those findings because they don't affect me or how I feel about this car.
  • hendjazhendjaz Posts: 155
    Bartalk3, for what its worth, from my personal experience and using reliability as a key factor, I have no reservations in recommending the RL, BMW 530 or Lexus. I have recently had (have) all three makes and no complaints about reliability. My extended family and I have had and still have several Acuras (all assembled in Japan, so no TL experience) and reliability has been excellent. We have an 04 MDX assembled in Ontario (Can.) and it has been flawless. I think among the makes and models you are looking at your choice will be made on other personal factors and probably not reliability. I can't speak about the TL because I have had no experience but it is assembled in the US as you know and that can be a bit of a question mark.

    I suspect the CR survey included a pretty small number of 05 RL owners and the "good" rating may not be indicative of the broader RL owner's experience which I suspect is really more "very good". I would call it excellent but that is not within the CR jargon. Best of luck in your choice and I don't think you can go wrong given what you are considering.
  • I drove the 2005 RL several times and rejected it for several reasons The most important were:
    1. The transmission logic is slow to shift, then shifts abruptly when it does shift. This is inexcusable. The TL transmission logic works marvelously. Why is the RL so bad?
    2. It is really noisy over sharp road impacts. Tar strips which I did not even notice in other cars come through with a loud jolt on the RL. Some coarse surfaces have the same effect. It turns out that the active noise cancellation technology is NOT an adequate substitute for full sound proofing.

    Does anyone know what changes were made for 2006? I am curious as to whether either of these problems have been rectified. The Acura web site does not say what changes were made.

    In answer to an earlier question, the web site does list a backup camera as an option. It costs $500 plus installation. Unlike the camera on the M35, it does not show you an outline of where your car will go.
  • Does anyone know what changes were made for 2006? I am curious as to whether either of these problems have been rectified. The Acura web site does not say what changes were made.

    In answer to an earlier question, the web site does list a backup camera as an option. It costs $500 plus installation. Unlike the camera on the M35, it does not show you an outline of where your car will go.


    I believe that there are no changes (other than a Tech Package option) for the '06 RL. The issues you complained about are more than likely unchanged for the '06. However you may want to test drive several RLs - your concerns have not been a complaint for most on this board.

    The optional RL Backup Camera is essentially the one on my '04 MDX and does not compare to the one on the M35. I think the cost is outrageous, since virtually everyone else in this price range ($40k+) makes the camera standard with Navi (as Acura does on the MDX).
  • My new rl has a deep humming sound coming from the lower left side of the car. It is evident at speeds from 15-25 mph and is sometimes evident when stopped. Sounds like a vibration to me, however the dealer says it is the engine noise which I doubt. Is anyone else having this problem? Other than this, I love everything about the car.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    You might try posting this on the Acura RL owners: Problems &Solutions web site:
    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.ef4f332!make=CATS&model=Audio&ed_makeindex=.- ef4f332
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    My friend Acuraphile whom I've known for about a year through this RL forum keeps in touch by e-mail which is great because we don't have to bother anyone in here with our other interests but we both continue to talk about the common interest and enjoyment we have in the RL. We also realize that this forum has sort of run its course for now it seems. The 2006 RL hasn't changed much so there isn't a whole lot to talk about here. But it's interesting because I have the feeling that there are still a lot of owners out there that probably check this forum out to see if anything is new. It would be great to hear from all of you in regard to how things are going with the car, etc. As for me, I could not be happier with the 2005 RL and consider it to be a remarkable car for my wife and I. Mechanically and electronically the car has not given us any trouble. The updates have all been performed and it even seems to run smoother than when new. (The PCM software update tweeked the gear changes just enough, I guess.) Other incidents were nothing out of the ordinary for any car owner. I had to have one of the OE tires repaired due to a sharp metal object puncturing through the bottom tread but it was repaired correctly on the inside and no more leakage there. I had a gulge on the side of the rear bumper and had it repaired to perfection. The odometer is approaching 12,000 miles and it will be a year old in a couple weeks. It handles better than any car we have ever owned and gives us a great comfort level. The XM, Navi, Bluetooth, Voice Promps, Window Shades and Key Fob features were all new to us and we use and enjoy them all. The only thing we will not continue is the Onstar feature. We don't use it. Regrets....I only have one and it probably is not a big deal. In fact Acuraphile and I were just discussing it...Is there a need to consider snow tires or better tires period? I personally would have put the Michelin Ultra performance all season Pilots on at the beginning but at this point it isn't crucial and the OE tread is excellant and with the SH-AWD I actually look forward to more snow than we had last year. (Global warming??) Haven't checked the farmers almanac yet either! What's happening out there with you all? :D
  • I, too, have experienced no problems at all - December 5th will mark the car's first anniversary. We may take it out to dinner!!

    As JJ remarked, I was concerned with the OE tires, as well. I didn't have much opportunity to see how they behaved on snow last winter. With less than 8,000 miles on the tires, my "depression-baby" mentality just won't permit me to trash them and buy the Michelin Ultras. At the first hint of instability, though, I won't hesitate. I still can't accustom myself to the HID lights - I am outrunning my coverage and the dealer obstinately drags his feet when I ask them to raise the lights. I'm going to contact Acura directly abd introduce the safety issue - my safety - to lay the responsibility on them. That might spur them to call my dealer and authorize adjusting the beams.
    But otherwise, each time I get into the car is like the first time!! It has all the comforts of home. How do you all feel now that a year has elapsed? Content?

    LMBRL
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Possibly that's a rap, George!

    My last comment to you before I trek off to my friday racquetball match is...."Enjoy the weekend in your RL and...
    also George..Did you know you are a modern day LEGEND?...The reason I can tell that is because of the car you own!" ;)

    LMBRL
  • urieluriel Posts: 9
    I was hearing a rattle coming from the front end of my car at low speeds on bumpy road surfaces. Took my 05 RL to the dealership to resolve the problem. The shop replaced the front brake pad set (Part No. 45022-SJA-020), and the front pad springs (Part No. 45227-SJA-013). That took care of the noise. Also, the brakes feel much more powerful when applied to bring my 05 RL to a stop. Love this car! (mileage 8,904). One more thing - replaced the OEM tires with Michellin Pilot Sport A/S Tires - This resulted in greatly reduced road noise - My RL now drives like a totally different machine - I LOVE THIS CAR!
  • Bought my 2005 Acura RL almost two months ago and absolutely love the car. So the issues below (don't know if they can be fixed are really minor):

    1) I really like the automatic headlight setting that turns it on when it dark. However I would think that the car should know that when I turn off the car at night that it should not have to beep to let me know the headlights are on. I've got the car set so that the lights will go off after 30 seconds. Having the car beep every time I am getting out a night is a minor annoyance. Can this be fixed?

    2) Can the legal disclamer about not using the nav while driving that shows up every time be turned off?

    3) Is there a way to delete addresses from the address book?

    4) Can the I-pod controls on the 2006 be dealer installed on the 2005?

    5) Why doesn't my wife like dance music and XM Channel 81? Do I really have to put with the "Sunny" station (i.e. Hey Jude instrumental?). Dual zone radio controls would be nice :).

    Any help is appreciated.
  • I've had mine about 10 months and can field a few of these...

    1) No. Apparently, Acrua are the only ones on the planet that think an alarm for no reason is "normal".

    2) No. I haven't seen a hack for this yet.

    3) Yes. But this one is really hidden. Go into the setup (button on lower right side of console) and on the third screen there is an option for personal settings. You can delete addresses from here.

    4) Don't know. A lot of us are awating an anwer to this one.

    5) Uh, you're on your own on this one. ;)
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Mr J answered the important ones and as for #5 You might try one you both could enjoy...Watercolors...Channel 71 :-)
  • ...since I brought home my 2005 RL and I love it more than all the other cars I have owned combined. I cannot find a thing wrong with it with the exception of it telling me that the fob is not detected when I open the door with the engine running. Not a problem as it quickly resolves itself, more of a minor annoyance.

    XM radio has been unbelievable and I will never be without it again and I agree with the previous poster that Ch. 81 is a must. I wish I could use the traffic advisory feature but being in Nashville, TN my city didn't make the cut. Any news on markets 22-40 being brought in?

    Some question the styling of the RL. Not me. I simply don't care who else likes the way it looks. I do. And when I catch it at certain angles I think it is one of the most impressive looking cars available, regardless of cost.

    Also, first Acura, or Honda for that matter, that I have ever owned. Bought my wife a 2006 MDX three weeks ago. As you can tell, I'm sold on the brand.
  • Hi. I am picking up a new 2005 Acura this evening. Good to hear how happy you are with your car.

    I need to buy a new phone for the car. Please tell me which phone and service you are using, since it apparentley works fine for you. I have an old Sprint phone now, not Bluetooth. Are you using the feature which allows Acura to send your car information about service, recalls, etc.?

    Thanks very much. Phil
  • afb53afb53 Posts: 4
    I have a 2005 RL and love it. I have read through the forums and I would like to know if anyone has put an after market remote starter on their RL. There are alot of horror stories about the electrical system but I really would like to have a remote start. Do you have any information on this? Thanks in advance.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Hi Phil, My carrier is Cingular and several months after buying the RL I bought the Motorola V551 Bluetooth GSM phone . I have been quite happy with this phone and it functions well with the verbal commands and soundsystem of the RL. The one thing I have noticed about using the Bluetooth function is battery life drains faster so when I use it I control the battery drain better by using the temporary-on setting on the phone. Yes I use AcuraLink and of course the Maintenace Minder is automatic as well plus this forum has been helpful in keeping current with TSB's etc. I don't believe there have been any factory Recalls yet. If you live in a snow belt area of the country the only comment I will make is that ...had I personally had it to do over again, I would have equipped the car with the Michelin Pilot ultra performance all-season radials instead of the OE's. Good luck with your new RL. JJ
  • Phil,
    I recently picked up sprint's new Samsung a940. Since I am in Hawaii right now I have not been able to test the data function. Battery life and signal strength do not show up. But other than that it works fine. The caller id shows up and people tell me that I sound clearer than with any of the plug in headsets that I used to use with my old sprint phone. I don't know why the Acura website says it does not work because it works just fine in my 2006 RL. If you do plan on staying with sprint I recommend the a940 or the maybe even the new a900 that just came out. Haven't had a chance to try the a900 yet but I plan on it as soon as I can get my hands on it. From reading the posts it looks like Verizon and Cingular do have more compatible phones, but sprint is starting to come out with more bluetooth phones as well.
  • As a first time RL owner, it would be helpful for me to know how many others in the US made the same, good decision in 2005, or for that matter in each year since the RL model was produced. I just drove across Washington state, and back, and I didn't see another RL. Weird. According to Google, there are 5 dealerships in this state.

    I tend to keep my cars for 10 plus years or 150,000+ miles. So, it's helpful to know what's the demand/availability of parts for a particular model and that usually depends on how many other cars of the same model are out there cruising the roads.

    Does anyone know how to get these and other kinds of numbers for RL production and sales in US?
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    try this web site:

    http://www.theautochannel.com/

    If you click on any of the manufacturers' links along the right side of the page you'll get news articles, including press releases with sales figures.
  • hendjazhendjaz Posts: 155
    "I just drove across Washington state, and back, and I didn't see another RL."

    There are quite a few in the Seattle suburbs but can't say about the rest of the State. Last Saturday at our local grocery store, which is located in an isolated residential area with no non-resident traffic passing by, three of them including mine were parked in front of the store at the same time. Two blacks and my lakeshore. One of the other owners came up to me to talk about our RLs and he too has had his for about 13 months.

    I hope you enjoy your RL as much as I have over the past year.
  • Hendjaz,

    Thanks for your update on the local level. The other reply directed me to a web sight were I got solid figures for the 2005 RL sales, 16,000+ here in the US.

    Comment about bluetooth technology in the RL: We have Sprint cellphones and while an upgrade to bluetooth is possible, Sprint presently doesn't provide bluetooth models without a camera. (In our line of businesses, cell phones with cameras are sometimes prohibited.) So, it might be a while before Sprint realizes not everyone needs or wants a camera with their cellphone. In the meantime, I'd be interested to know about your experience using RL bluetooth connection to your cell phone. Any surprises?

    Comment on the RL navigation system: I was only mildly impressed with this system until my wife turned right a little too soon after being told to do so, while riding in unfamiliar territory at night on Bainbridge Island. About 2 or 3 seconds later, just before I was about to suggest we turned too quickly, the navigator announced "make a U-turn in about 50 yards". We both laughed, duly impressed with the detailed accuracy of the navigation system.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Hi ya Hendjaz...I recently pulled up in front of a Starbucks with a Begal Shop next door... actually about 2 miles away from my dealership and spotted 2 RL's parked nearby but the places were quite busy so I played the guessing game a little with my wife to see if we could guess who the owners were. Ha Ha...she looked at me and said "I'm not going to be the one to ask" and we didn't pursue it any longer!
  • I live in SoCal and commute. I usually see an RL only once a month. That's why I bought it. I like the uniqueness. I see BMW's at least 10 times a day. I know that will change in years to come. At one time I rarely saw MDX's, that's my other car, now I see them everywhere.

    Anyway, today I actually saw two RL's, both black like mine.
  • I have owned the car for just over a month. I have driven it 50%. I love the way it drives. My only two complaints. The back seat is crowded, but I knew this when I bought it. I still wish there was just a little bit more room. My other complaint is that there is not a manual button to adjust the fan. I always have to use the knob and then the voice interrupts the music. I lied, I have a couple more complaints. I speak english very well, but the voice commands do not work for me. I would love to use them for at least the fan speed.
  • Friends,

    I am looking to purchase a 2005 Acura RL in Dallas, TX area. Want to know what kind of pricing I should expect at this time of the year.

    Any current owners shed some light on the price they bought the 2005 Acura RL and when did you make the purchase.

    Thanks,
    Bakwas
  • I own a 98 RL and while waiting for service was sitting in an 06 RL. It may be technically better, but the interior seemed smaller and less comfortable. Seems like Acura took a step backwards! Any thoughts from step up owners?
  • I own a 98 RL and while waiting for service was sitting in an 06 RL. It may be technically better, but the interior seemed smaller and less comfortable. Seems like Acura took a step backwards! Any thoughts from step up owners?

    I went from a 99RL to an 05 RL. My 05 RL is definitely more comfortable than my 99RL. I don't recall whether the interior of my 99RL felt bigger, or not. I've been extremely happy with my decision to "step up" to the 05 RL.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    My wife commented on the seats briefly at first seemed less comfortable than even our 2000 TL but shortly thereafter realized that the comfort and support was better in the RL. I moved that lumbar support up to give my L4-L5 area a boost and swear by the great support for my lower back. Long drives tell the true story though as we arrive relaxed and non-stiff at our destinations. I have never stepped into a more pleasantly designed ergonomically satisfying interior. The RL is fantastic. Can't speak for the middle of the back seat as some have, but for us and our riding pairs it is very comfortable back there.
  • I moved that lumbar support up to give my L4-L5 area a boost and swear by the great support for my lower back.

    The lumbar support in my 99 RL was always an irritant. I'd pump the little handle, and always wonder "can I do one more pump", then I'd do one more pump and that would be the one that would deflate the pillow and I'd have to start over. The lumbar support in the 05 RL is great.
  • Friends,

    I bought my 2005 RL in Sept. Prior to this car I drove E320 1997 till I got RL. I enjoyed my previous car immensely. Now I've fallen in love with my new RL 2005.

    Before buying this car I had tested Lexus GS300 AWD, Infiniti M35, and Benz E350.

    I liked the E350 but MB's reliability is not what it used to be thus I didn't feel like taking chance.

    GS300 fell way below my expectation. I felt squeezed in drivers' seat. Nothing in car impressed me. When shifting manual gear no matter at what gear/speed your car was it always bought you to the 5th gear... Not acceptable from a luxury car company. This is just my opinion.

    Infiniti has done a great job, many nice features but somehow I couldn't convince myself to buy this car.

    When it came to RL, I loved it. Plenty of room for the driver. All the needed accessories were included without additional cost and salesman hassle. Instruments are laid nicely. Everything inside the car is first class with impressive taste. After driving the car for 3 months I still look forward to driving the car. Navigation system, Radio system, Climate Control, Audio Control etc... All are well designed. My 6 cylinders RL is giving me 22 - 24 MPG literally same as my wife’s 2005 4 cylinders Camry. XM Radio is very good but adding traffic reporting with Navigation system is very impressive. Looks like I'll renew my XM contract. I enjoy the surround sound system.

    There are some short comings - trunk has to many curvatures - losing precious space in the trunk. There is no net. I had the net installed, costing around $75. Net is placed across in middle of the trunk. Not very practical. Net should be close to the end of the trunk.

    Right after the car passed 2500 mile marker (last week) I notice an Engine vibration when the RPM is in the range of 1600 - 1900 and shifting from 2nd gear to 3rd gear. Same when shifting from 4th gear to 5th gear. I hope Acura will be able to explain and fix the vibration when I take my car for the first service in a week or so. This is bothering me a lot. If this is taken care of by Acura then I think I'll keep this car for 8 years as I did with my previous car because everything else is great.

    MitchT.
  • Forgive me. The title of this subject should have been - New RL Owner.

    Friends,

    I bought my 2005 RL in Sept. Prior to this car I drove E320 1997 till I got RL. I enjoyed my previous car immensely. Now I've fallen in love with my new RL 2005.

    Before buying this car I had tested Lexus GS300 AWD, Infiniti M35, and Benz E350.

    I liked the E350 but MB's reliability is not what it used to be thus I didn't feel like taking chance.

    GS300 fell way below my expectation. I felt squeezed in drivers' seat. Nothing in car impressed me. When shifting manual gear no matter at what gear/speed your car was it always bought you to the 5th gear... Not acceptable from a luxury car company. This is just my opinion.

    Infiniti has done a great job, many nice features but somehow I couldn't convince myself to buy this car.

    When it came to RL, I loved it. Plenty of room for the driver. All the needed accessories were included without additional cost and salesman hassle. Instruments are laid nicely. Everything inside the car is first class with impressive taste. After driving the car for 3 months I still look forward to driving the car. Navigation system, Radio system, Climate Control, Audio Control etc... All are well designed. My 6 cylinders RL is giving me 22 - 24 MPG literally same as my wife’s 2005 4 cylinders Camry. XM Radio is very good but adding traffic reporting with Navigation system is very impressive. Looks like I'll renew my XM contract. I enjoy the surround sound system.

    There are some short comings - trunk has to many curvatures - losing precious space in the trunk. There is no net. I had the net installed, costing around $75. Net is placed across in middle of the trunk. Not very practical. Net should be close to the end of the trunk.

    Right after the car passed 2500 mile marker (last week) I notice an Engine vibration when the RPM is in the range of 1600 - 1900 and shifting from 2nd gear to 3rd gear. Same when shifting from 4th gear to 5th gear. I hope Acura will be able to explain and fix the vibration when I take my car for the first service in a week or so. This is bothering me a lot. If this is taken care of by Acura then I think I'll keep this car for 8 years as I did with my previous car because everything else is great.

    MitchT.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Nothing to forgive...thanks for all the great information about your buying comparison decision. I really enjoyed your post and hope you get your vibration fixed by the dealer. Please let us know how it turns out.
    :)
  • ff100ff100 Posts: 12
    Mitch,

    I am looking at exactly the same cars and I have similar comments about them. However, the ride in the RL seems to me a bit choppy and not refined compared to the GS300. I have not tried yet the M35.

    Can you please comment about the ride comfort on rough surfaces ? How about highway noise in the cabin ? How about the traffic info on the nav display (people complained about it in the forum) ?

    Also, thank you for the mileage report, I was worried about 18-25 rating from Acura. GS300 is 21-26 and people in the forum report good mileage as expected.

    Regards,

    Fred.
    -=-
  • I thought I would share my ownership decision and subsequent experiences with this group and would welcome comments.

    I have owned exclusively MB for the last 10 years but sold my S500 to buy a Porsche Cayenne in 2003. The MB's were wonderful cars but they were not as reliable as I had hoped and were very expensive to maintain. Because I drive a lot, they also depreciated very quickly. I have been used to seeing a true $1000 a month average depreciation on cars I keep between 2 and 3 years. The decision to buy the Porsche was impulsive, I like the looks. I married my first wife with the same decision process and that too got me into trouble.

    The Porsche was fun to drive but it was one of the worst service experiences I ever had. Porsche dealers made you beg for an appt less than 4-6 weeks from when you need it. You never go once to the Porsche dealer, the first time you go they tell you what's wrong and then order parts, you must come back a few weeks later. It was infuriating. Once, they broke more items than they fixed. The car was quirky and the ride was harsh, to say the least. It is a powerful car but not as fast as a sedan. Finally, after about 2 years with it and having lost my usual $1K per month in depreciation, I was getting tired of 15 mpg and new tires every 15K miles. Not to mention the $400 battery and the $65 windshield wipers. Oh, by the way, no spare tire so I was stranded 2x by this vehicle.

    My friend Steve had been driving Audi's for 2 decades. His last two cars were A8's. He too reached a point of being sick of the expense and the quirkiness. After driving the GS300 and the Audi A6 (he didn't like the increased size of the A8) he traded for a new RL 05. I thought he was crazy at the time but as time went on, he told me this car was better than his Audi's but in sheer power, he thought the A8 was faster (not that important of a measure but that's what he mentioned)

    Finally, I decided (as the odometer was about to click into the no-warrantee zone) that it was time for me to shop again for a new car.

    I test drove the MB350 4matic, the BMW 530ix and the GS300 AWD. For good measure I also tested the M35x. The hard part was that I liked individual things about each, wishing I could combine the heated steering wheel of the BMW, the shoulder level seat-mounted stereo speakers of the M35x and the quiet interior of the MB into a single package.

    On Steve's prompting, I drove the RL. My heart started to pound and I realized this was the car I would buy. It was $20K less (I paid $45,300) and added the wood wheel and shifter and the backup camera as well as the auto bond (plastic bonded to the nose).

    I was totally blown away by the electronics in the RL, I thought they were easier to use than the M35x and the system understands my speech every time first time. I love the ride but it's not as quiet as my big benz. I love the acceleration, faster than my Porsche Cayenne. I love the price: I walked away with a $36K check and a lease payment of $675 with 20,000 miles/yr 3 yr lease. I am really only paying about $375 since I will use 33% less gas than my Porsche and the interest on my cash back is added too. I can even deduct this from tax returns since I am a "consultant" so my acct tells me.

    The RL is gorgeous, the other cars are nice too, the MB is the best looking of them all, the BMW is the ugliest. The interior is flawless, fit and finish is as good as the Lexus and better than the benz and the infiniti. I was a little miffed by the cost of the backup camera and surprised it was separate and very expensive.

    While I am a new owner I must say this is about the best automobile I have ever owned. If it's reliable and if I really do get an average of 23 mpg like my friend Steve, and if I can figure out how to quickly mute the stereo, I will love all 3 of my years to come with this car. I already know friends who have wondered what happened to me going from expensive german iron to this smaller japanese car, but I can only say "follow me" since there's no harm in getting a lot more for your money.

    For what it's worth, I have seen just two other RL's in the metro-west Boston area and both were black. Mine is meteor blue with the taupe interior.

    I am a verizon subscriber and I have to decide on an blue tooth phone, I am considering a RazR phone (no analog service?) but would be open to suggestions. Do any of these phones have the data transfer capability mentioned on the web site?

    When is the 1st service? Usually I get an oil change at 1500 miles, this car too? Has anyone gone to Mobil One?

    Anyway, I love my car and I am look forward to getting to know all the systems better as I prepare for a very busy 2006.

    Merry Christmas and Happy Chanukka to all!
  • If you go to a quick lube type place for an oil change on the 2005 RL do they need to do anything special to reset the computer????

    thanks
  • You can do it very easily--just use the steering wheel buttons on the lower right (the up arrow, down arrow and center select buttons)to call up the oil life percentage. Then, hold the center (select) button in for several seconds and it goes back to 100%. Let me know if you have any trouble and I'll try to add more detail. Enjoy! Steve
  • steveinindy,
    Thanks, very helpful! My wife drives it and I keep makiong excuses to trade cars for the day. fantastic, and very safe rude!
    Have a great new year.
    KA
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