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I do not know how far you want to drive, or if the dealers will trade. I know the sales guy was very cocky about the pricing. I just smiled when he told me that nobody was neg., not even Honda. I was not interested in purchasing 8 passenger, so I figured it was not worth my time to argue with him.
a "Reasonable Deal" on one...IF you should find a
7 Passenger LE in the(lighter) "Silver Shadow Pearl with the (Gray) Stone Interior" that HAS
Option BW #7 and hopefully Option CF-Carpeted
Floor Mats/Door Sill Protectors.. in Illinois, the
SURROUNDING STATES, or reasonable distance beyond, I would be VERY GRATEFUL to learn the Dealer and
Town from you..AND would thank you PROPERLY both
now and "In HEAVEN" (but not TOO soon on the latter!!!
Steve, Host
Good luck, Becky
How do we get them to the 2-3% over invoice? I am willing to travel a few hours if necessary. Anyone have any suggestions?
And, has anyone recent comparable quotes to what dyh55 posted in Post#1149 to bobby by dyh555 onApr 18, 2003 (4:27 pm) and at these dealerships.
>Anyway the dealership is : Bennett Toyota ,>Allentown,PA $850 above invoice
>Del Toyota, Thorndale,PA: 2% above invoice
>Pottstown Toyota,PA: 4% above invoice
Thanks...
I just test-drove an MPV and am now wondering if this might be a good alternative for us. There are dealer incentives now, and the vans are being offered at about two thousand dollars below invoice. They are attractive, I like the smaller size because of easier handling, ease of parking, etc., and our family uses the third row seating mostly for cargo anyway. It has many of the same features as the Sienna (disappearing, tumble down back seat, power sliding rear windows, sliding second row, etc.), plus a few that the Sienna doesn't have such as a reclining front and mid-row seats that join together to make a temporary "lounge," for long overnight trips. Also, a rear seat that flips to face backward, useful for tailgaters and mom's with babies whose diapers need changing. Mostly, it is considerably cheaper.
Consumer reports gives this van good reliability ratings, and it has 5 star government safety ratings as well. (Roll-over rating is slightly lower than Sienna's, but my understanding is this is a theoretical rating based on wheelbase/height measurements rather than real-world driving). Also, optional side air bags and traction control are amazingly cheap!
Anyone care to weigh in with their opinion on whether this is a good van to consider as an alternative to overpriced Siennas?
If you must have the latest and greatest or you are very loyal to Toyota (understandable) then the Sienna is for you. Otherwise there are plenty of worthy alternatives to look at. Hopefully the Sienna will come down in price soon. In my opinion, paying MSRP is just silly.
If you wait another year, Honda will probably have a new Odyssey out which undoubtedly will leapfrog the new Sienna.
Unlike many, I have never liked the Odyssey-- too big and boxy and the interior looks frankly cheesy. I probably should overlook the "ugly" factor, but aesthetics do play a part in most car-buyer's purchases. I prefer japanese built, and lots of versatility and function, so the Mazda MPV remains in the running. I'm wondering why there are so few of these sold compared to Sienna and Odyssey. Maybe the compact mini-van market is a very small niche?? Or is there something about the MVP I don't know yet-- like long term reliability or quality issues???
For example there are 3 Toyota Dealerships within 7 miles of my house... Zero Mazda dealerships.
Nothing wrong with the MPV, esp when you consider MSRP for Sienna. If you are leaning toward the MPV, I suggest checking out the Mazda discussion area for more info.
Thanks.
-sr15
And on highways if we have to go Uphill, transmission struggles to climb and van seems to have less power. These are same symptoms I had on 89 caravan which were always dismissed & refused by dealers until NHTSA officially recalled it in around 1992 year.
As usual, as per his dealer, everything is not just normal but also fine. My friend and I were even more disappointed when we read in a car magazine article that "since Mazda is owned by Ford, MPV has same Ford Engine and Transmission like in "CONTOUR CAR" with V6 option.
I come from a big family having owned '83 Astro, and still own '89 Caravan, 95 windstar, 98 chevy Mark VII Astro convertible Van. I even have 1990 Honda Accord and 1993 Saturn SL2.
Except '83 Astro all vehicles had transmission problems. On '89 caravan I replaced 'transmission' twice and I believe that Dodge has NOT fixed that problem YET. My Honda was replaced with new vehicle within 30 days and newer car's transmission has never been smooth. 1995 windstar and '98 Astro have never been smooth either but luckily transmissions have not failed yet. On '93 Saturn transmission could go any day so I change transmission fluid and filter every 10,000 miles. Many times vehicle just gets stuck at 35Mph speed.
Although not a mechanic by profession, I have almost become one by choosing Domestic Mfrs. products mainly to support local auto industry.
Honestly, I have never come across a single dealer who has acknowledged problems easily and fixed accordingly after taking very long to admit.Infact, in my case,they have just been very expensive, unreliable, and biggest liars at times.
My '98 chevy salesperson frankly admits GM is aware of service problems but so far in 4 years situation is still getting worse and he is losing Repeat Business. This re-affirms my Opinion that American Auto Industry is soley based on "Quantity Business-Model." But Import dealerships have been definitely better based on my experience. One drawback for us consumers is that Nowadays even Import Mfrs. use 'Engines and Transmission' made in USA. Whereas, in late 80's when they started manufactueing cars in USA due to import Quota restrictions, they would only use Body frame and minor parts made in USA.
I am sorry friends, Please believe me I am Not against American Auto Industry and I am Not at all "directly or indirectly" associated with Auto Industry. I am just a consumer like YOU ALL and sharing my experience so hopefully NO ONE goes through What I Have.
You may find one cheaper over the net in a few months; if nothing else, everything is negotiable, and you can use this info to get a better price out of the F&I person when you sign the other paperwork. Naturally they'd prefer to sell you one today.
If they really hard sell you on an extended warranty, ask them why - if the van is really that unreliable, maybe shopping another brand would be better. It's hard for the salespeople to answer that one :-)
Steve, Host
increasingly learning/hearing about "Legendary
Toyota QUALITY" SO.. even if 2004 is the year of a
MAJOR Sienna Re-DO isn't an Extended Warranty
STILL a waste of Money??? SO HIGH is my impressionof Toyota Quality, I'm selling my
CADILLAC and will NEVER buy another!! (Between the
Wife and I..BAD experiences with 4 Cadillacs) 'Nuff Said . Extended Warranty Response from
OTHERS also??? PLEASE....
Steve, Host
On our 1988 corolla, we bought a new muffler and that's it. Just routine maintenance. On the other hand, our 1994 T&C needed a new transmission at 60,000 miles, as well as other major and minor problems. That's why we are buying another Toyota!!!!
Thanks for your opinions on this...
I found the list of Siennas by going to a Toyota web site and going under new cars and selecting Sienna. On top it says the have access to XXX number of vechiles then going through the list with different prices.
Gives me some piece of mind (although I'm getting a Toyota in hopes that I won't have tons of problems - like I'm having with my Chrysler Voyager junk).
Bev
Tracy
It's quite spacious and we're looking forward to trips to the beach, mountains, etc. and being able to bring along all the "toys" we want to without being cramped!! It, of course, takes up more space in the garage which takes a little adjustment, but overall we're very happy with this choice as our family vehicle. Now we're just going to keep our fingers crossed about Toyota's reputation for reliability that we're depending on!!
I understand being picky about the color --- we weren't too crazy about the choices and had ruled out the green until we saw it in person. The green is actually very nice and that's what we went with in the end. Yes, if you're hoping to keep the vehicle 10+ years as we are, you want it in a color you like!!! Best of luck, it's worth the wait!!
Actually 7 years extended warranty is a bit of a misnomer. The first 3 years are covered by Toyota. You are paying for an additional 4 years of coverage on a vehicle that is already 3 years old (depreciation).
It's interesting that Toyota and Honda's warranties are the SHORTEST in the industry. They know they don't have to include long warranties because in general their vehicles have been reliable over the years and the public knows it. (although the first few years of the Ody was rated as only AVERAGE by C.R.)
Other Minvan companies are offering 5,7 even 10 year warranties built in... increasing the price difference even more. But then again, people don't by Toyota because they are inexpensive (compared to other cars). They buy them because they are reliable.
I stand corrected. The Honda has the shortest Warranty of all minivans... again it's reliability has only been average. The 99-03 Sienna was above average. (Obviously the 04 is too new)
So in reality on the powertrain stuff, you are only getting 2 extra years (and 40k more miles)for a $1250 7-year extended warranty... ouch!
Of course if your Sienna has a MAJOR repair during that 2-year period, you are a "genius" for getting it.
Peace, Becky
Where did you end up going? Did you get the same $1,000 off (or more?) Not that it makes a difference to me, but I file these things away for friends who are about to be in the market :-)
MAY be getting new Sienna TODAY! If You'd care
to give me your Phone # I"ll call with the
"Rest Of The STORY"..... TOM
The thing is I want a LE8 seater with LE#7 option package, and from the toyota.com site, it seems to me that LE#7 option package is not being offered in Ohio. The dealer said that I can order any configuration I want. Do you think this is correct? Have any of you had a similar experience.
Any info is appreciated.
-sr15
Unfortunately I feel that they do this to move what ever vehicles are on the lot.
-Full refund, if the vehicle ends up having those expensive "additional options".
-Delivery date greater than promised range.
-I'd read in another board, that if everything's kosher and the delivery is as per the agreed schedule, the dealer will have a VIN# from Toyota. If this is true, I'd like a clause that if I dont get the VIN# by X weeks (say 4-5 weeks), then I walk away. How feasible is this, and what is X here?
What else can one think of? Steve?
Thanks
-sr15
If you are dealing with a large dealership in a large city (eg Chicago size), then 4-5 weeks should be okay. However, smaller dealerships are taking 8-12 weeks to get stuff in, especially if you want a specific color, style, package.
They do get the VIN, but my understanding is that only comes in a few days before actual delivery, so that may not be helpful for you.
I would just make sure that any agreement you make with them is put in writing by them. Don't let them do the "we always do it this way, and don't write it down. It's no problem". Tell them YOU always write it down, because then there are no misunderstandings later. If they mean it, they should have no problem writing it down.
If you are ordering a car from them, you should be getting what you want, not what they deem to send you. Don't settle for what they consider "close enough", and don't let them put that in any contract. Shop around for a dealer who will get you (within the bounds of the region) exactly what you want.
It almost sounds like you could sell your place in line to someone else if you decide to back out, judging from the messages in here.
If you can do the deposit with a credit card, you can then try to dispute the charges with the bank too. Good luck!
Steve, Host
Then, on the following Tuesday, they gave me an estimate of when the car would be built. I checked in with them on last Monday and they are right on schedule with what they said. The car was being built when I spoke to them.
Hopefully they will remain on schedule.
In my case, a lot of info about cancelations/refunds was printed in fine print on the back of the contract. They will add clauses if you push it.
I wish I could get a Sienna now for 2% above invoice or less. If I could get an 8 seater LE option #7 package within a week, I would switch our plans.
4-5 weeks wait? That would be worth it for a good price. 8-12 weeks then still paying MSRP? Are the Central Illinois dealers out of their mind or in a state of ILL?
I didn't think the 8 passenger comes with #7. I thought you had to go to #8 (at least I think that's the number). #8 was actually my dream package -- #7, plus a nice stereo, but I didn't want the 8 passenger, so I had to settle for the yucky stereo.
It was an extremely good deal too, $750 over invoice. Bummer!
-sr15
Bennett Toyota ,Allentown,PA $850 above invoice
They're still offering it.
Del Toyota, Thorndale,PA: 2% above invoice
Never heard from them. Calling the front desk, I got a sharpish receptionist, who said she cannot connect me to the internet manager.
Pottstown Toyota,PA: 4% above invoice
Got an email saying that they've stopped giving the 4% deal. Its MSRP now.
-sr15
Regarding the 8 seater and package 7, I just confirmed our order today. Yes, you can order le8 with #7...at least via our distribution channel.
Van is XLE AWD with package #17 (leather/full air bags/sunshades & heated seats - though cooled seats would be better in Florida) MSRP including delivery fee is $34,885. Also added at my request a bug deflector, tow hitch and carpet mats, bringing MSRP to 35,607. Sticker also adds "Toyoguard" of $699 and "Dealer Services" of $500, both of which have some limited value. I paid $34,800, which is $800 to $2000 below MSRP depending on your valuation of the last two items.
PS for info, it did not come with a moonroof, but does have a roofrack.