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And that "humming" is the fuel pump priming itself before starting the car. If the pump did not prime itself, the car would not start. So if the car was broken into and hotwired, it still would not work because the fuel pump would be dead.
He mentioned his Jetta could out-accelerate and out-corner a Prelude (or at least keep up with). Then he threw in "base Jetta". Some folks may think a 2.0 Jetta could do what he said.:)
The 1.8T and VR6 take 91 octane
With a sway it'd definitely be able to hang in the corners though. Given the option, I know I'd take the Jetta any day and twice on Sunday over the Prelude's low seating position, cheap interior and bland styling. But that's just me...
I noticed a big difference in mpg between Mobil and Sunoco, both with the same octane 93. So far I've got highest mpg (32.2, mostly highway) with Sunoco fuel. However, I've got lowest mpg (26, mostly highway) with Mobil fuel. Can anyone verify this?
my bad! i see what you guys are saying. no, believe me, i know a BASE Jetta isn't going to win any contests. my car is a BASE Jetta 180hp Turbo. when i said BASE, i meant just the small 15" wheels and no sport suspension.
blue-
yes, i don't doubt that the Prelude pulls .05 (or whatever it was) more G's than a Jetta. that is in a controlled test. one is a sports car, one is a sport/econo sedan. on what REAL WORLD exit ramp do you ever pull that many G's? i tell you one thing, whatever car you are driving on that exit ramp, be it Prelude or whatever, me and my 15" tired Jetta would be right there with you (or me and a freakin Yugo, for that matter). for sure, my tires would be smoking, and my inside rear tire would be in the air, per classic VW fashion, but your cars extra bit of G pulling ABILITY would not have any effect whatsoever. and i would be laughing the whole time
and also, everyone, and i mean everyone, knows that the 1.8T, especially 2002, handles better and is faster than the old VR6. not that i am knocking the old VR6 mind you....i loved that engine too.
vocus -
don't think i didn't see your "tired" Jetta comment. i don't even want to ask what is wrong now......
I noticed a big difference in mpg between Mobil and Sunoco, both with the same octane 93. So far I've got highest mpg (32.2, mostly highway) with Sunoco fuel. However, I've got lowest mpg (26, mostly highway) with Mobil fuel. Can anyone verify this?
i have noticed that when i get SHEETZ ( i know, shame on me) gas, 89 octane, my car tends to let me know it doesn't appreciate it by idling.....not rough....but not almost electric smooth like it does otherwise.
i stick with exxon/mobil. 89 octane. no problems ever with that gas.
what is a "straight 6"? same as an inline 6?
V6 is 6 cylinder arranged in a V fashion, 3 cylinders per bank
VR6 is a V configuration with a 15° angle between the cylinder banks
Flat motors are....think of a V motor with a 180° angle spacing between the banks.
check the vw.com site....has nice illustrations. www.howstuffworks.com is another good site.
I am "tired" because I want my car fixed right, and it doesn't seem to be happening (at least not the first 7 times, anyway). At this point, I wouldn't care if they just kept it now.
Arguing over whose car is better, prettier, sportier, etc. In the complainers corner you have Vocus and his posse, and in the Prima Donna corner you have Justin. You all should be paid by the post, as someone else said a while back, you keep me coming for more ! I wish the host would create an uncensored(a la Celebrity deathmatch) Jetta discussion board so people could really say whats on their mind. hahahahahahahah
BTW, in an 87 Chevy Astro minivan yesterday I got a kill on a BMW M3. It was great. We rolled up to the light, his inline 6 humming quietly in typical bland euro-trash style. My 4 cylinder gurgled back (two fuel injectors are clogged, or so said my mechanic 6 months ago when I had him install new Goodyears on my rig). He stabbed at his throttle, causing the high revving 6 to scream a little challenge. I couldn't back down, so I turned off my AM/FM Delco cassette (didn't want to rob valuable power) and gave my gas pedal a gentle nudge, resulting in an affirmative rejoinder. I knew he was snickering at me, though I couldn't see through my cardboard passenger's replacement "window."
Across the intersection I saw the light shift to yellow. Oh, the moment was coming. Time to chock up another Teutonic kill. I downshifted my 3 on the tree to 2nd, knowing that offered all my torque at once. The moment of truth was coming...
Green!
With Sonny Crockett-like precision my loafer-clad-sockless-foot slid off the cross-drilled faux aluminum brake pedal and my FWD Astro charged forward like rhino with Saturn V rocket strapped to its butt. Smoke billowed from my 14s as they desperately sought traction on the newly refinished asphalt.
My opposition's super-coupe M3 was just rolling from the light. The driver's mouth hung agape, shock registering on his face. Sure I couldn't see his eyes through those Dolce Gabana shades, but I'd bet my entire Star Trek TNG video collection each baby blue (aren't all bimmer drivers blue-eyed?) eyes were bugging out at the ferocious display of GM power.
With the sort of cat-like reflexes one builds from knowing a car for 14 years, I snapped the shift lever to third as the car redlined at 4k RPM. American engineering prowess, baby!
The squealing had stopped and I was hurtling toward the on-ramp at a breakneck pace. This would be where Mr. M3 would see a true display of might. In my rearview I caught sight of him gaining on my right. Apparently, pickup in 2nd or 3rd on those things must be pretty spectacular as I usually have the sundry Ferraris and such long beaten by the 1/8 mile it takes to reach the freeway. But not this tenacious scoundrel!
We hit the on-ramp neck and neck. How could this be? Who won WWII afterall?! I could see his flashy 19 inch wheels whirling in a kaleidescope of chrome, a clever ruse by those former world-conquerors to lull my attention away from the matter at hand: driving. But not this cat, baby. No way.
Frantically, I shoved the gear selector down into second again. The rock-solid GM tranny howled in protest, little metal flakes sprinkled from underneath my minivan like chaff from the back of an F-16. Cars tailing me scattered from the 007 slick. The tach spun wildly, banging over and over on the ominous "redline." Redline is just an overzealous attorney's way of making sure the true power of an engine is never tapped by the sequacious masses. I sprang forward, the BMW seemed to inantely swing away, as if suddenly afraid the wail of my engine was a harbinger for an explosion to match those over Dresden oh those years ago.
The apex of the corner approached and I led once again. A Mario Andretti glance at the speedometer indicated 45 MPH! Almost 50% higher than the legal limit. My power, my skill, my might on display!
I felt the rear of the van swing around. The brakes called for my foot and I answered, shoving down with Herculean might. GM's drums clamped up, no ABS ninny stuff here. My marvelous solid beam axle rose to the challenge, rising the back of the Astro onto 3 wheels. Sloppy, high sidewall 14s did their job perfectly, wallowing and flexing enough to keep the minivan on a perfect lean. Lets see the M3 do that, baby.
I flicked the wheel toward the oversteer and righted the vehicle just in time. I was at the top of the freeway entrance and all that lay ahead was the trophy in my head. Easing the Astro back into third I briskly accelerated back up to 50 and merged, stealing once last glance at the M3 driver several car lengths back shaking his head at me. He'd seen the light, I'm sure of that.
Darn, still a little mad I messed up on the Astro's drivetrain. Too late to fix it.
Anyway, coming late to the party, I see I missed a lot. Not to open wounds, but the Prelude would beat the Jetta in everything that didn't have to do with style. In other words, hands down it is a better performer.
Secondly, even if you have a 2.0L you could see more powere in the summer with higher octane gas. It falls on the whole fundamentals of what higher octane gas does as well as the fundamentals of combustion engines. In the summer engines are hotter which can cause premature ignition. A higher octane gas will all the ECU to operate the engine are a normal timing allowing a more efficient burn of fuel and air (here is where you might get better gas mileage). You might also get more power, MAYBE!!!
Anyway, once again, Blueguy, that was totally awesome, definitely the best post that I have read on this board. It ranked right up there with the guys who made fun of people who slam hondas and toyotas. They spoofed them by putting a coffee can on the exhaust tip of an old Cherokee sport and then talked about how it gained 50 more HP. They even had a pic of it driving down the freeway.
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I don't know if they have wind deflectors, but that's the only site I know, like I said. Good luck with it.
and, in my opinion, the one thing that the Prelude had going for it was its simple shape. not "over" styled. nice long hood. even the interior was fine. they needed to offer leather, and some more color choices. that milano red by Honda needed a replacement, and bad! maybe by now they have changed it.
Vocus:
i was just messing with you. i know you are frustrated. i would be as well.
Our 1996 GL 2.0 4 cyl does this also. My guess is it's the AC compressor.
One bad one and a bunch of good ones. VW should either do something or get off the pot. If they can't fix it, they should give you a new one.
You should accept it and hope that what you had was a lemon. If THE NEW ONE also rattles, then there is a BIG problem with VW's cars. THEN you should take other action. I don't see many others here with your complaint, so I figure it is an isolated thing.
turbo+4 cylinders =
6 cyl power with less fuel consumption than 6 cyl